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Looks like a nice piece of kit from Pinasco...
Is this a further development of the Magny Course Original?
Strange though as the Magny Course is relitively new.
Anyone know the difference between the two?

http://www.sip-scootershop.com/en/products/racing+cylinder+pinasco+magny_84122000

http://www.sip-scootershop.com/en/products/racing+cylinder+pinasco+magny_84119000

i would really be intrested to know how the new generation Pinasco kits compare to the new Polini Alu kit..

Makes me want to dump my Pinasco 177 Alu
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Yes it does look good, the ports look very similar to the one you probably have right now. Who would know what kind of power it would make though?
I'm not sure about the advantage of the bolt-on exhaust stub? Maybe it's cheaper to make.

The other one that looks very interesting is the RB. Have a look at the port arrangement.

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http://www.scooter-center.com/en/product/PN26031931/Cylinder+kit+PINASCO+177+cc+3+Ports+Alloy+Vespone+Racing+RB+Vespa+PX125+PX150+Cosa125+Cosa150+GTR125+VNL2T+TS125+VNL3T+Sprint150+Veloce+VLB1T+0150001?meta=
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The piston from those kits however will fit in your existing cylinder... it has 2 plain rings instead of the L shaped Dykes ring, so should be good for more revs.
And the cutaways on the sides should enlarge the transfer volume a fair bit... the SCK descriptions of the BGM 177 show what happened to power when they went from a plain piston to the type they ended up using - which are similar to these Pinasco ones. I'll find a link to the article tonight.
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Ginch, the Dykes L ring is not good at higher rpms, it was designed to be a lower rpm ring and its primary benefit is that it sits very high on the piston crown, thereby good at controlling actual transfer and exhaust durations - compared to rings that sit several mm lower on the crown. The problem with the L shaped ring is that it is very rigid and at higher rpms it isn't flexible and won't twist freely, making it more susceptible to breaking. Ideally you want a thin ring as high as possible on the piston to regulate open/close on ports and one that is flexible.
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I was suggesting that the plain rings would be good for more revs than the Dykes type, mainly due to drag from the large surface contact area.
I know all about how hard & brittle they are... they should have special instructions that have a heading that reads "for the ham fisted amateur mechanic". Razz emoticon

The piston design has some of the benefits of the Malossi type with the cutaways... I assume that there is much better flow because of this.

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Scooter Center Koln wrote:
We wanted to find out how the piston needs to be designed in order to give enough room to the transfer ports to guarantee a good situation. The piston had been constructed in a way, that the hole around the gudgeon pin close to the transfer ports could be adapted by milling.
After every little step, we put it to the test on our dynamometer to find out, which shape or which combination works best.
The original test piston was shaped like the original PX piston. So, for the red graph, the piston skirt was closed (like for a Piaggio, Polini, Grand Sport, ...).
The blue graph shows the result of the piston with a few millimetres less around the gudgeon pin. You can see such a piston on the picture above.
The green graph shows the performance with a semi-closed transfer port at the cylinder base and an adapted piston. The free space of the transfer ports in the cylinder base represents about 80% of the possible space of the cylinder.

RED GRAPH: closed piston skirt
BLUE GRAPH: semi-closed piston skirt
GREEN GRAPH: opened piston skirt
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dont know why the f*** they put graphite on the piston it wears of in no time
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Already have one coming from Germany for my VL3. Gickspeed is building my VL3 engine, along with two wideframe motors of his own.
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turbineguy wrote:
Already have one coming from Germany for my VL3. Gickspeed is building my VL3 engine, along with two wideframe motors of his own.
Magny Cours or RB?
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Ginch, I became one of those people who doesn't read the whole post - apologies.
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All I can say (without reading the thead...) is the exhaust port looks wide (good) but I dont'y like the look of the raidi of the corners.... At least looking at that pic on my phone... Looks dangerous.. I'd measure that port width and rework top two corners...
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Vader19 wrote:
All I can say (without reading the thead...) is the exhaust port looks wide (good) but I dont'y like the look of the raidi of the corners.... At least looking at that pic on my phone... Looks dangerous.. I'd measure that port width and rework top two corners...
In that case, maybe the RR is more to your liking? Razz emoticon

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