Modern Vespa

Does anyone has experience of carrying that kind of gas burners with Your scooter/motorcycle?

Manual says, it can't be heated to more than 50 degrees Celsius.
Should I put it in a trunk or better keep it somewhere on the open air, while riding?

P.S.One of those explode in a tent of my colleague last summer in a very hot day. It was a luck, that everybody were swimming at that moment.
So, I just want to make sure, that I'll carry it properly on my Vespa

it can get pretty hot in the pet carrier, and the last thing I'd want is a gas burner exploding right underneath my backside - so definitely pack it somewhere other than under the seat.

Thank You for reply Genie!
I'll check space in front glovebox today, should be the best place in this case.
If not - I'll just put it in backpack, that I plan to attach to seat with luggage net.

Although I have not traveled with one on a Vespa, I do have a lot of experience with burners. I would suggest not carrying the compressed gas in the pet carrier. Just too much of a possible risk with increased heat and jostling. Have you looked at alcohol stoves? less expensive, less weight and you can use a range of fuels.

https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=Alcohol+stoves

I wouldn't put it under the seat. On my first (Vespa) tour I had a propane stove...attached to the front rack.

Thank You very much for advices!

I have borrowed this burner from a friend, it may be a really good idea to buy alcohol stove for myself, in the future.

Put it on the racks. Front one if you have one. Altho the rear rack is ok IMHO. Have fun camping Never under the seat on a vespa. What bike did your college have (the one where the tank exploded)?

I wouldn't put it under the seat or in the glovebox. Put it in a top case or on a rack where it will get some air but be shaded. If you put it in a top case put don't put it right below a dark colored top but insulated by other items.

We take a Jetboil - and that's fine under the seat.

I decided to put both canisters in camping mat roll (I'll make sure, that they will sit tight there and will not drop off).
Mat will be attached to rear rack.

Also, 1.5l bottle with spare fuel will be attached near by

I've carried those cans for touring and camping regularly over the years.

While riding, they are in the luggage, stored in a lower side pocket (where the sun doesn't hit them full on in the hottest part of the day) near the outside wall where the wind can cool them, with nothing wrapped around them (insulating them keeps heat out and in) and ride away.

Otherwise, I take no special precautions other than those warranted on the container, which mostly involve keeping them out of direct sunlight for long periods of time.

They all seem to be rated OK up to 49C/120F which seems pretty hot, but you can easily reach those temps in a parked car on a hot summer day. I definitely would not keep them in the pet carrier.

At my camp, I keep them in the tent which at least shades them. I always try to set my tent up in a shady area if I can, anyway. If it's nearing 120F in the days, the last place I want to be is in my tent so, no worries.

Once you start using the fuel there will be more expansion room anyway, right? On long trips, I'll usually carry a spare can. If I'm that concerned about the heat, I suppose I can always cook a meal with the spare can to lower the pressure and then put it aside until needed.

...wasn't the exploding gas tank in a tent?

Not necessarily a safer situation though. For liquid/gas fuel tanks like butane lighters, or propane, for any given temperature if there is ANY liquid fuel left in the tank, the pressure inside the container will be the same regardless of how much liquid fuel is inside. It is no safer to have a half-empty fuel can compared to having a full fuel can, of these types.

The types of fuel canister I am talking about are the ones that, when you release the fuel, sometimes cause frost (or at least significant cooling) of the container as it is drawn down. As the gas is taken off the top of the container, the liquid evaporates to make up the pressure. This evaporation causes the liquid part to cool, and sometimes get cold enough to make frost on the outside of the container.

Gasoline and alcohol don't do this.

DAVE yup but i was lucky i even posted legibly ( i see where spell check changed colleague for me ). Had a 102.2 temp and have bronchitis. Wondered why i was feeling hot. That said the tent could of been on the bike with the gas canister in it. That's what i read.

We use a white gas stove that you have to pump up and pressurize to use it (30 pumps, takes 30 seconds). I ALWAYS depressurize it when packing (slowly unscrew it from the bottle. Its easy to pump it up and repressurize when you want to use it. I've had it for a few decades and have never had a problem. Brand is MSR but there are many other white gas stoves. I don't trust pressurized propane canisters to be pressurized when I get to my destination. Just my two cents.

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Miguel

I'm looking at the MSR whisperlite currently. They use white gas, so fuel bottle with liquid fuel. I've used propane bottle stoves when I was a kid/teenager. Not my preference, but I've known people who love 'em.

They aren't fond of extreme temperatures either direction. For transporting them, keep in mind they're primarily designed with backpacking in mind: avoid sun, heat, and it's a good idea to do something to separate them from your other gear. Propane tanks are usually designed with a pressure release valve to allow them to deal with changes in ambient temperature. If you pack them in direct contact with your clothes, they might come out smelling like fumes. If you pack them with your food...yeah, don't. Some airflow and shade are your best friends with fuel canisters. If it were a hiking backpack, I'd be recommending one of the zippered compartments that isn't the main section.

I don't mean for this to come across as scaring you off of canisters...more of knowing the behaviour or "nature of the beast."

Avoid letting it bake exposed in direct sunlight, avoid engine heat (ie, under the seat), and be aware that it might vent ever so slightly during the heat of the day.

Oh yeah: other fuel safety awareness thingit that applies to most fuels. It's not the liquid that burns, it's the fumes or vapor. Full canisters and fuel bottles are generally more inert than ones that are running low. Again, more of a thing to be aware and mindful of than something to stress over.


(Edit: I hope this makes sense. It's 4am and I've been awake since 8am yesterday.)

Cheshire. The msr stove I have is the whisperlite. It's bulletproof. The only design flaw is the bit of fuel that remains in the tube between the fuel bottle and stove. It gets wasted when you seperate them. I empty the tube before packing. Otherwise it contaminates items around it. Maybe the modern version has solved that problem. The stove is whisper light and has never let me down. I'd buy another if I lost my current stove.

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Miguel

Yep: been using a Whisperlite for about 25 years. Heck, I have an old white gas canister I bought in 1977!

My daughter, however, who is a hardcore gearhead, says those canister systems are once again all the rage, even among the environmentally conscious.

This, I think, gets to the heart of the matter. Read the instructions and the warnings, and follow them. I don't hear a lot of stories about exploding fuel canisters, so I take the proper precautions and just move along.

I'm already traveling with several gallons of gasoline in the tank betwixt my knees and a spare can of gas in an MSR bottle in the saddlebags. The isobutane canister in the touring bag is small potatoes. I worry more about the dipstick in the next lane playing Pokemon GO.

Incidentally, my stove is a Primus Yellowstone, which is very similar to the picture posted by the OP. The gear I purchase for moto-camping has to do double duty as backpacking gear...taking up minimal space with minimal weight, hence my choice. Actually, if anyone is interested in moto-camping, it's a good idea to see what the backpackers recommend when selecting gear.


There's good info here on different stove types...
https://www.rei.com/learn/expert-advice/backpacking-stove.html?cm_mmc=aff_AL-_-110315-_-131207-_-NA&avad=131207_abd5c293&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.rei.com%2Flearn%2Fexpert-advice%2Fbackpacking-stove.html%3Fcm_mmc%3Daff_AL-_-110315-_-131207-_-NA%26avad%3D131207_abd5c293&avad=131207_abd5c293

And the practice I use to recycle them here...
http://www.pmags.com/recycling-backpacking-fuel-canisters

I also have a couple gallon cans. One a decade old but the gas is still good (tho I check it before heading out each trip just to make sure) and a second gallon from a couple years ago that I had to buy because I forgot to bring fuel on a trip and we were too far to go home and get it. Unfortunately, most places only sell it in gallons which is WAY more than most people need. I'm sure I'll never get through the two gallons I've got. I think it means I'm not camping enough (though we are headed out for a 3-4 day trip the first week of Sept).

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Miguel

Miguel: If you need to get rid of white gas quickly, you could always take up fire spinning.

Had to look that one up. Seems interesting but not quite for me, thanks!

Miguel

A lot of good advices and useful information! Thank You very much to everyone for sharing Your experience

P.S. In Monday we'll start 14 days tour in mountains, here is a video from 2015:

an excellent video. thank you for sharing it!

Wow, that tour looks awesome!!

Great video and beautiful country. Nice to see something nice coming out of Ukraine, as well. Have a blast this year.

Awesome video. nicely produced. looks like a great time!!

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Miguel

store it some where that is cooler.also never ever leave it inside the tent,it also tend to leak.people have been killed while sleeping inside the tent with the gas leaking away.