P221 front brake upgrade
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Sat Nov 04, 2017 1:48 pm quote
If you're talking about the black spot, that's my knee...



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Sat Nov 04, 2017 2:07 pm quote
SaFiS wrote:
If you're talking about the black spot, that's my knee...
Not the knee...I must be the only one seeing it. It reminds me of taking the "ink blot test" when I was a kid. Not that I needed to take the test, mind you...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rorschach_test
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Sat Nov 04, 2017 3:32 pm quote
whodatschrome wrote:
SaFiS wrote:
whodatschrome wrote:
Is that some sort of optical illusion that I'm looking at in the last pic?
Why is that??
Just to the right of the welded on brake perch, to me it looks like a HUGE abstract hole. I know it's not one, so it's got to be some optical illusion from point of view.
I'm confused too, not by your knee. How did it go from this


to this? Doesn't look like casting porosity...


Regardless, JBWeld & paint will fix it, that's never gonna break off.
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Sat Nov 04, 2017 3:39 pm quote
Don't think it was something serious. Just 2 - 3 pinhead sized pores. My father told me that when our machinist was welding the plate, he had small bursts from the casting. Probably impurities or trapped air in the casting. I had the same problems with my engine cases when we beefed them up for the Malossi...
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Mon Nov 06, 2017 3:06 pm quote
Cleaned up the excess JBWeld today and took the parts to the paint shop...
I preferred JBWeld instead of bondo to cover the pinhead sized pores...





Updates to come...
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Mon Nov 06, 2017 3:17 pm quote
Love it
Most excellent work - has me drooling - one day I might have to attempt something like this... Maybe I can get Voodoo to go see you with a headset in the future!!
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Sat Nov 18, 2017 9:00 am quote
Headset is ready. Got it from the paint shop and put it on the bike. Tomorrow I'll finish up with the electrics and we're good to go. I'm in LOVE!!!

















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Sat Nov 18, 2017 9:16 am quote
SaFiS wrote:
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I'm in LOVE!!!

You, and everybody else following this thread.

Good work, that thing is spot on!
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Sun Nov 19, 2017 2:52 am quote
Awesome.
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Sun Nov 19, 2017 7:06 am quote
Top notch work as usual, Chris.
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Sun Nov 19, 2017 12:37 pm quote
Thanks guys!!! First ride today to align the handlebars, was a thrill. They seem a bit wider and at an angle, giving the impression of drop bars. Really pleased with the outcome. I just need to check the luminosity at night. I believe the headlight will be slightly dimmer than the FD's, but I've put a Philips Moto Vision halogen S2 bulb inside. Will see...
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Sun Nov 19, 2017 3:28 pm quote
And thank you for so thoroughly documenting this so others can follow your steps 1 - 2 - 3. Certainly not easy, but doable with each part of the job clearly explained(splotchy pic excepted ) and not too difficult to copy. Now if only I had something to hook it to down below, I believe even I could be a player here.

The unique shape looks perfect, fits the lines of the bike so nice and makes me want to fix up a trap headset for my old beater Sprint!
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Wed Mar 21, 2018 1:05 pm quote
Fantastic, great work, did you sell your old headset
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Sun Mar 25, 2018 1:24 am quote
That is really a stellar looking scooter. So clean and looking ready for business~!
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Sun Mar 25, 2018 4:42 pm quote
I've been watching. Thanks for the documentation! I really like the color!
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Thu Nov 15, 2018 11:08 am quote
Resurrecting this thread with an update. So, PLC Corse presented a new CNC milled wheel hub and I instantly fell in love with it. Today I tried the wheel center hub of an ET4/ZIP on my current setup and it works with some needed modifications. The PX axle is 10mm longer from the one on the ET4/ZIP swing arm, so I'll have to exchange them. I've already ordered the center hub that is going in and will be waiting for the PLC Corse rim to go into production. Unfortunately, the speedo cable gets killed, but I was going to use a speedo sensor with the SIP speedo I'll be ordering. I've also tried a 12" rim but of course that's out of the question. I just tried it cause a friend is always bugging me to put on 12" rims. They just seem odd on a PX and I never liked them...

Few photos...


A 3.50x12 rim from a Gilera Runner


The center hub I ordered


PX swing arm


ET4/ZIP swing arm


PLC Corse wheel hub...


Mounted with a Pinasco 2.10x10 rim

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Thu Nov 15, 2018 1:09 pm quote
What's with the indent at 3 o'clock, is it for some sort of trigger?
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Thu Nov 15, 2018 1:18 pm quote
Juan Kerr wrote:
What's with the indent at 3 o'clock, is it for some sort of trigger?
CNC machine fault...
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Thu Nov 15, 2018 6:12 pm quote
Funny! I was just contemplating exactly the same thing, but for a wheel that I actually like instead of that one.

Safis do you have any idea about the axle diameter where it goes into the link? I wonder if it would be as easy as simply pressing the axle in the extra 10mm and cutting off the excess?
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Thu Nov 15, 2018 6:43 pm quote
Pressing the PX stub axle in and out of the link is no problem. The problem is that the end of the axle stub that goes into the link has knurled splines on it. The splines arenít that long, so I think if 10mm is removed from the axle, it wonít have those splines anymore.

I have some pics of the stub axle and splines on my p200 into a Smallframe thread...wherever that thread is at. I have the hardest time finding on modern Vespa, so I usually just google search for it.
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Thu Nov 15, 2018 7:06 pm quote
whodatschrome wrote:
Pressing the PX stub axle in and out of the link is no problem. The problem is that the end of the axle stub that goes into the link has knurled splines on it. The splines arenít that long, so I think if 10mm is removed from the axle, it wonít have those splines anymore.

I have some pics of the stub axle and splines on my p200 into a Smallframe thread...wherever that thread is at. I have the hardest time finding on modern Vespa, so I usually just google search for it.
It's here, but I didn't see axle pics? Possibly not looking hard enough... now where did I put my glasses?
Smallframe with a P200 engine?
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Thu Nov 15, 2018 8:15 pm quote
Ginch wrote:
whodatschrome wrote:
Pressing the PX stub axle in and out of the link is no problem. The problem is that the end of the axle stub that goes into the link has knurled splines on it. The splines arenít that long, so I think if 10mm is removed from the axle, it wonít have those splines anymore.

I have some pics of the stub axle and splines on my p200 into a Smallframe thread...wherever that thread is at. I have the hardest time finding on modern Vespa, so I usually just google search for it.
It's here, but I didn't see axle pics? Possibly not looking hard enough... now where did I put my glasses?
Smallframe with a P200 engine?
my bad, it's not in that thread. It's in a different thread that i had a link to in my P2 in a Smallframe. Here's the correct link... P fork and headset on a PK
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Fri Nov 16, 2018 12:23 am quote
OK, stupid me. The 10mm difference is after the cir clip groove. So, Michael, to answer your question, no I can't just push it in 10mm. I have both of these fork legs (PX & ET4), so today I'll take the axles out and see it they're in fact interchangeable. If not I'll have to machine the PX axle...





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Fri Nov 16, 2018 12:25 am quote
Ok yes I see now, thanks for that. The knurling is probably not quite 10mm, and also the axle wouldn't be fully supported. And I'm not seeing a listing on SIP for the axle by itself.

It makes stuff easier to find again if you favourite it. Then you just hit the 'forum' button, then 'favourites'. But searching using the MV search is random at best.

For anyone looking, these are 16 and 20 axles, not Zip etc.



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Fri Nov 16, 2018 1:59 am quote
SaFiS wrote:
If not I'll have to machine the PX axle...
How hard would that be? Do you know if they are made from hardened material? If you could buy just the axle you'd just swap them over instead.

So is the overall length the same? Just wondering after what Juan said.
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Fri Nov 16, 2018 3:26 am quote
Ginch wrote:
How hard would that be? Do you know if they are made from hardened material? If you could buy just the axle you'd just swap them over instead.

So is the overall length the same? Just wondering after what Juan said.
Don't know. Will see. It's probably heat treated that's why there's that burnt area. The overall length I think is the same, haven't measured it. The only difference seems to be where the outer bearing of the hub stops. F.A. Italia sells a PX axle but knowing their excellent metal quality, I prefer to work with the ones I have. Unfortunately, no axle for the ET4/ZIP arm or any for both, coming from Piaggio...
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Mon Nov 19, 2018 2:35 pm quote
Took the axle out. Unfortunately, it's not interchangeable with the one from the ET4 leg. I didn't mess with the ET4 fork cause it's straight and didn't want to ruin it. The PX fork was a bent one. The PX's axle is 1,4mm thicker on the splines. So I'll have to machine it. The center hub came today from Italy. Left Friday and today was at my door. DHL FTW!!!

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Mon Nov 19, 2018 2:49 pm quote
Disc carrier is nice, the Tarts Handbag of a supposed front hub/wheel is still horrible. Machining fault or not.
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Mon Apr 29, 2019 4:48 am quote
Hey Safis, just wondered if there had been any progress on the axle business?
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Mon Apr 29, 2019 8:43 am quote
Nothing yet. Everything's pushed back for a while...
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Tue Apr 27, 2021 1:58 pm quote
Time to update. It's been two years, but other things and expenses got in the way...

Soon on my blue P along with the V-One motor...







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Tue Apr 27, 2021 2:24 pm quote
That is just.... just.... a work of art

Looking forward to seeing it mounted up!
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Haha! Cracked me up and took me a few seconds to get the BMW joke. Nah, took it off from our decommissioned 525i E34Ö
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