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Wed Apr 07, 2021 2:29 pm quote
If you're not feeling it, you're not feeling it. The P-series is a totally different animal than classic. Lots more plastic and a bit more complex. OTOH, they can be more reliable, parts are plentiful, and you get 10" wheels. The aesthetics are probably not going to grow on you.


BTW, I'm not disparaging; my first scoot was a P-125X. I loved it.
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Wed Apr 07, 2021 2:59 pm quote
Oh K - I'm glad you went to check it out, but it's gonna need a lot of work.

I'm a sucker for pictures and always think it's better than it is from the pics.

If it has 10k miles the engine, stator, and green wire are going to need to be replaced.

And that rust spot looks DEEP - ouch. And I'm not diggin the rattle can farmers paint - what's that covering up?

Bottom line is if you're not feeling it - pass. Nothing like getting something from the get go and being disappointed to start out.

The P's are heavier and clunkier than Blue. Blue is the Porsche and the P is the Crown Vic. Different to handle, but I know you'd get used to the weight and maneuvering it around.

Too bad you're not closer cause I'd let you ride Ruby and Olive, and the new B-62 for that matter, and you can compare and contrast to know exactly what you're looking at when you go looking for a scooter.

For example - Ruby? - 3rd kick to start. Olive - 2nd kick to start. None of this 12 kicks business. You'd be better off buying Chatis's Stella

Whatever happens, I KNOW you'll find the right one. You already have a sense of what's what, so you got this.

I'm excited to see what comes your way and ends up in your garage!


B-62 and Olive's new parking spaces

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Wed Apr 07, 2021 3:16 pm quote
Happy Spring!

Pass if youre not feeling that P but I still think you should find a project P200. I canít think of a better first time project scooter than a P200. Thereís plenty of online resources for them, all the problems are well known, parts are easy to source, motor is fairly easy to get into and if you give up, youíll still get a lot of what you put into it back.
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Wed Apr 07, 2021 4:21 pm quote
I'm surprised to see the saddle seat. That P200 should have the one piece long seat.
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Wed Apr 07, 2021 4:54 pm quote
You had me until picture #11 and I do like where you are going with this...

I may have a prime scooter possibility or two available for reasonable sums, so how do you like projects that are in pieces and how do you do with 3D puzzles?

You did the wise thing though, you need a good foundation for" One to take apart and fiddle around with/experiment" with. It's hard to walk away, especially after a long drive, but this one ain't it.

A P150 or even 125 you could just kit would be great and easier to find, a decent Stella 150 would be a good choice too. (Don't fall for a tempting smallie unless it is dead stock and runs perfect!) Any decent three port 150 with a 20/20 will thrill you compared to your tiny carbed two port mild mannered sweetheart Super. Lay in the weeds and DON'T give up!
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Wed Apr 07, 2021 6:19 pm quote
When you first said you were looking for another I said "Yeah! She's got the bug.".

I looked at the picture and that looked good and th price was OK, but then...

The two four letter words: rust and Bondo. (OK, Bondo is 5 letters but you know what I mean.).

The topper was when you said your magnet wouldn't even stick in some places. That's going to be a problem.

I think you were right to walk away. What does everyone else think?

Good luck and happy hunting.
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Wed Apr 07, 2021 6:22 pm quote
Hey K - I don't know how far Kansas City is from you but... New Project - OR Not!
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Wed Apr 07, 2021 6:44 pm quote
Oh, thank goodness. Lots of solid, informed, educated second opinions confirming my gut feeling of ďjust NOĒ.

But, it IS rather hard to walk away, especially in scarce times.

And even harder to walk away from a spicy red Vespa. Thatís TWICE now for me
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Wed Apr 07, 2021 6:48 pm quote
gmontag wrote:
If you're not feeling it, you're not feeling it. The P-series is a totally different animal than classic. Lots more plastic and a bit more complex. OTOH, they can be more reliable, parts are plentiful, and you get 10" wheels. The aesthetics are probably not going to grow on you.


BTW, I'm not disparaging; my first scoot was a P-125X. I loved it.
I actually kinda dig the aesthetics, though Iíd prefer a groovy 70ís model. The retro lowercase font on the legshield badge appeals to me, and also the sportier jaunty look.

The faded plastic parts, not so much....

But, Iíd like to try 10í wheels and see how fast I can go
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Wed Apr 07, 2021 6:57 pm quote
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If it has 10k miles the engine, stator, and green wire are going to need to be replaced.

I'm not diggin the rattle can farmers paint - what's that covering up?


The P's are heavier and clunkier than Blue. Blue is the Porsche and the P is the Crown Vic. Different to handle, but I know you'd get used to the weight and maneuvering it around.

Too bad you're not closer cause I'd let you ride Ruby and Olive, and the new B-62 for that matter:D
Qa, all you said.....right.

Rust, hi mileage, Crown Vic (died laughing at that comparison!)..... not my dream scenario.

Iíd love trying out your scoots and doing the contrasting/comparing. It would be most helpful. Thanks for the virtu-offer.

Tonight was my first time riding anything other than Blue. Still canít believe he let me try it out. Definitely felt unfamiliar, but was very smile inducing.
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Wed Apr 07, 2021 7:00 pm quote
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Happy Spring!

Pass if youre not feeling that P but I still think you should find a project P200. I canít think of a better first time project scooter than a P200. Thereís plenty of online resources for them, all the problems are well known, parts are easy to source, motor is fairly easy to get into and if you give up, youíll still get a lot of what you put into it back.
I totally agree!!! And Iíd prefer a P200, instead of a 150, which that one was.

ďIf I give upĒ......

Iíll just keep on looking then.
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Wed Apr 07, 2021 7:02 pm quote
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https://minneapolis.craigslist.org/hnp/mcy/d/champlin-1983-vespa-p200e-piaggio-with/7300350482.html


More money but you would have a sidecar.
I have looked at that ad several times and imagined cruising through the carpool line, stuffing all kids and backpacks into the sidecar.

But Iíd have to pick up a LOT more hours at work!
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Wed Apr 07, 2021 7:05 pm quote
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I'm surprised to see the saddle seat. That P200 should have the one piece long seat.
I donít think those conch fringy things are stock....

Nor the taillight.

But he didnít have the og parts, cuz I asked, but not at all snootily.
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Wed Apr 07, 2021 7:19 pm quote
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You had me until picture #11 and I do like where you are going with this...

I may have a prime scooter possibility or two available for reasonable sums, so how do you like projects that are in pieces and how do you do with 3D puzzles?

You did the wise thing though, you need a good foundation for" One to take apart and fiddle around with/experiment" with. It's hard to walk away, especially after a long drive, but this one ain't it.

A P150 or even 125 you could just kit would be great and easier to find, a decent Stella 150 would be a good choice too. (Don't fall for a tempting smallie unless it is dead stock and runs perfect!) Any decent three port 150 with a 20/20 will thrill you compared to your tiny carbed two port mild mannered sweetheart Super. Lay in the weeds and DON'T give up!
I am glad you think walking away was the right thing to do. Cuz I know youíve resurrected many flickering ghosts from Vespa graves and you donít walk away from potential.

Any potential that red scoot has is beyond my scope of ability. So, I am going to patiently* wait for that solid foundation you mentioned.

(*And by that, I mean totally impatiently)
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Wed Apr 07, 2021 7:23 pm quote
vintage red matthew wrote:
When you first said you were looking for another I said "Yeah! She's got the bug.".

I looked at the picture and that looked good and th price was OK, but then...

The two four letter words: rust and Bondo. (OK, Bondo is 5 letters but you know what I mean.).

The topper was when you said your magnet wouldn't even stick in some places. That's going to be a problem.

I think you were right to walk away. What does everyone else think?

Good luck and happy hunting.
Thanks, VRM. Yeah, the bug doesnít seem to go away. Iím still just as interested as day 1.

I also felt like kind of a goob pulling out a magnet and checking over the suspicious parts of the body, but you guys all do that..... right?
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Wed Apr 07, 2021 7:53 pm quote
Lemme jump in late with a meaningless concurrence.
Run don't walk.
Also - a hat tip for not biting.

Other's can comment - but the P series is heavier more crown vic (nice qas).
is that really what you wanna ride around town?
I kinda like the 70's models you are talkin' bout as potentially a better fit.
'Course there is a certain smoothness to the bigger heavier P - which is great at speed and when you are moving - but if it is mostly around the lake and in-town, maybe you will find it cumbersome.

Solid body - but needs engine work - might be a more interesting fun rehab if you decide to go that route - IMO - but I think you might already be there in your mind now that you took the time to go look at one. Well worth the effort.

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Wed Apr 07, 2021 11:35 pm quote
To be fair, it has some truly awful accessories, which don't help with the aesthetics. If the crash bars, single seats, rubber stripes, indicator and headlight grills, and flyscreen were removed, and the bench seat and correct rear light restored (the proper European one IMHO), it would look a lot better.
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Thu Apr 08, 2021 8:38 am quote
Hi K. Nice to see youíre looking for a second scoot. Rest assured all of us will be keeping an eye out. Agree, that P wasnít for you.

qa: Ha, Crown Vic is too flattering. More like a Buick Century or Olds Cutless.
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Thu Apr 08, 2021 10:05 am quote
Right to walk away. Anything but rust. Nice and clean but broken engine, perfect.
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Thu Apr 08, 2021 10:58 am quote
charlieman22 wrote:
Lemme jump in late with a meaningless concurrence.
Run don't walk.
Also - a hat tip for not biting.

Other's can comment - but the P series is heavier more crown vic (nice qas).
is that really what you wanna ride around town?
I kinda like the 70's models you are talkin' bout as potentially a better fit.
'Course there is a certain smoothness to the bigger heavier P - which is great at speed and when you are moving - but if it is mostly around the lake and in-town, maybe you will find it cumbersome.

Solid body - but needs engine work - might be a more interesting fun rehab if you decide to go that route - IMO - but I think you might already be there in your mind now that you took the time to go look at one. Well worth the effort.

🙂
-CM
Thanks, CM, for your meaningFUL concurrence. Always good to have decisions validated by those who know more.

I am definitely on the route of solid body AND solid engine, too. Iím not really looking for something that NEEDS a lot of work. Just would like to have the opportunity to pull something apart and learn, while still being able to ride. Cuz to me, every day of good riding weather is precious and cannot be squandered by having a scoot all torn apart.

(Also, I kinda want a scooter that can go faster )
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Thu Apr 08, 2021 11:03 am quote
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To be fair, it has some truly awful accessories, which don't help with the aesthetics. If the crash bars, single seats, rubber stripes, indicator and headlight grills, and flyscreen were removed, and the bench seat and correct rear light restored (the proper European one IMHO), it would look a lot better.
I agree 100%! No offense to anyone who appreciates those nifty accessories, but I was mentally stripping them off the second I laid eyes on that bike! Just TOO MUCH STUFF!!!!
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...and flyscreen were removed, and the bench seat and correct rear light restored (the proper European one IMHO), it would look a lot better.

I do like acorn lights but only on some pre P bikes! That is just wrong but you did dodge a bullet here. If you'd gotten the bike, you'd have Swa45 and me gently counseling for a proper older P style replacement from Europe and SoCalGuy yelling that you must find an ugly tractor light like was originally cobbled on these US bikes at the last minute to satisfy snooty DOT ppl .

You'd NEED to buy this one which somebody seems to have no need for!
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Year/Make/Model Vespa P or Rally
Description Someone buy this ugly ass tail light. Hurry up and buy before I smash it and toss in the trash.


Rather than this smooth Euro beauty...

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...and flyscreen were removed, and the bench seat and correct rear light restored (the proper European one IMHO), it would look a lot better.

I do like acorn lights but only on some pre P bikes! That is just wrong but you did dodge a bullet here. If you'd gotten the bike, you'd have Swa45 and me gently counseling for a proper older P style replacement from Europe and SoCalGuy yelling that you must find an ugly tractor light like was originally cobbled on these US bikes at the last minute to satisfy snooty DOT ppl :livid:.

You'd NEED to buy this one which somebody seems to have no need for!
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Year/Make/Model Vespa P or Rally
Description Someone buy this ugly ass tail light. Hurry up and buy before I smash it and toss in the trash.


Rather than this smooth Euro beauty...

where is that US market tail light being offered? I need it for my Rally
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Thu Apr 08, 2021 1:36 pm quote
K, when you find the ONE P that "clicks", I'll send you that EU tail light Terry is talking about. It belonged to my blue P...
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Thu Apr 08, 2021 1:59 pm quote
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where is that US market tail light being offered? I need it for my Rally
I think that one is long gone, but I do have one last NOS beauty I've been saving for somebody exactly like you, who needs it for a LEGITIMATE reason! You need the frog eye blinkers too? I'll send you a pic.

PS: K, you made me pull out my old Blue 8" bike which was languishing in the corner with a flat and an ugly headlight. I'd forgotten how much FUN 8" can be and without your prodding I never would have tripped over the ideal headlight solution, so THANKS for the kick in the slats, girl!

See, like yours kinda but I'm much older and yours is much prettier!



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Thu Apr 08, 2021 6:16 pm quote
SoCalGuy wrote:
Hi K. Nice to see youíre looking for a second scoot. Rest assured all of us will be keeping an eye out. Agree, that P wasnít for you.

qa: Ha, Crown Vic is too flattering. More like a Buick Century or Olds Cutless.
Glad you concur....

And anyway, I have a bit of Spring work to do on Blue. Gonna get her old rusty pocked muffler tapped off STAT, and will replace with Brownieís nicely substantial hand-me-down.

I love that Blueís roadworthiness exhibits an amalgamation of friends: CMís front rack, SCGís muffler and taillight, V oodooís metal placard, JKJís tool library, MJ Rallyís dvd tutorials, etc.....

Blue is rather sentimental and those things mean a lot to her....

Thanks, guys.



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Thu Apr 08, 2021 6:24 pm quote
Jack221 wrote:
Right to walk away. Anything but rust. Nice and clean but broken engine, perfect.
Yep, agree, mmmHmmm!😊

Waaaait a minute..... broken engine?!??!?😱😱😱

Um, how about just a nicely functioning engine that needs a quick inspection and lite cleaning...?
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Thu Apr 08, 2021 6:34 pm quote
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I do like acorn lights but only on some pre P bikes! That is just wrong but you did dodge a bullet here. If you'd gotten the bike, you'd have Swa45 and me gently counseling for a proper older P style replacement from Europe and SoCalGuy yelling that you must find an ugly tractor light like was originally cobbled on these US bikes at the last minute to satisfy snooty DOT ppl .
Hey, I like those pretty acorn lites, too! But never on a P!!!! My eyes got sore just looking at it!

Iím probably stepping on sensitive toes here, sorry. I just appreciate period correctness in all forms.

And Iíd hate to make SoCalGuy yell....

The nice guy did have another P, a white Ď80, recently shipped from Indiana. He said it was ok to share any pics I took. This one had that tractor taillight. The paint looked og and quite nice.



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