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Wed Nov 10, 2021 8:15 pm linkquote
Can't pass it up, just can't.



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Wed Nov 10, 2021 8:16 pm linkquote
The Mexican Hot Chocolate is amazing!



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Wed Nov 10, 2021 8:17 pm linkquote
Ditto the tacos



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Wed Nov 10, 2021 8:17 pm linkquote
What are the odds...?



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Wed Nov 10, 2021 8:19 pm linkquote
Victorious!!!! YES!!!!



Wed Nov 10, 2021 8:36 pm

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Wed Nov 10, 2021 8:36 pm linkquote
There's definitely something to that feeling when you make it home despite a challenge like this. The last time I had a clutch cable go I was able to do the get it started in neutral and roll it and slam it into 2nd thing myself. Next level mastery = shifting no clutch up/down, which is quite doable until you need to stop again....
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Wed Nov 10, 2021 9:12 pm linkquote
How flippin awesome is that? At least you were fueled up with that great looking beverage. I love Mexican hot chocolate, with cinnamon.

Kudos for making it home and not having to do the push/walk of shame or AAA ride.

And thanks for the pics - you are a masterful storyteller, with your verbage and pictures
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Thu Nov 11, 2021 5:01 am linkquote
The odds of a broken clutch cable seem to go up when it's raining out
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Thu Nov 11, 2021 5:10 am linkquote
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The odds of a broken clutch cable seem to go up when it's raining out
I was gonna say - the odds are pretty good, actually, whenever it's very inconvenient.

I love these pics - just pure joy with the reality and opportunities of vespa ownership
Thu Nov 11, 2021 6:39 am

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Thu Nov 11, 2021 6:39 am linkquote
the o-ring on your clutch arm might be leaking a little since it seems to be pretty limited to just the clutch arm. Other common causes (at least on large frames) are that the exhaust isn't tightly sealed to the cylinder, or you have some other leak going on, but those are usually more generally messy.

These usually aren't the tightest sealing motors anyway, so at some point, you just need to get used to it.
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Thu Nov 11, 2021 8:01 am linkquote
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Victorious!!!! YES!!!!
Aww Kim you make us proud. We've gotten to the third phase of this thread, the "and now what" part where you're getting grease under those shiny fingernails and experiencing the elation of a hack (in this case a bump-start) gone right. It feels great to fix something and know that YOU did it, doesn't it?

Should you ever find yourself in Seattle I will gladly offer up my scooter to you to explore the city. It would be an honor!

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Thu Nov 11, 2021 9:47 am linkquote
TACOS!!!!
(And a cable shenanigans in the rain.)

Good on ya.
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Thu Nov 11, 2021 10:52 am linkquote
It's always that greasy under there.

Good on you using Vespa-fu getting home. Nothing makes you feel so accomplished as getting your busted stuff home on your own. And it's a whole lot better than laying under your bike with hands full of slippery tools in the rain wondering why you ever got into scootering in the first place and if you'd listened to your parents and gone to college instead of thinking you could make a living playing guitar you might have gotten out of this god-forsaken town and made something of your life … perhaps I've said too much.

Yeah. Cool beans.

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Thu Nov 11, 2021 12:29 pm linkquote
Good for you, showing that clutch who's boss... way to keep your cool and bang shift ol Blue back to the homestead.

Btw, if the throttle cable ever snaps, you can get home with a pair of strategically placed vice grips or hemostat clips.

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Thu Nov 11, 2021 3:14 pm linkquote
I just pull the throttle cable out of the housing and wrap it around my leg. One of the Aussies/Kiwis (Ginch?) did that about a week before my throttle cable broke on the road and it worked better than it sounds.
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Fri Nov 12, 2021 4:08 pm linkquote
I finally got around to taking some pictures of the Cigar tool box. I inherited about 20 cigar boxes from my parents attic at the beginning of the year, so I've been incorporating them into parts containers.

I used to use a cigar box for recreational products... Now I've got a huge selection of boxes.

This little box fits in the P200 glove box under the turn signal selector.

I also carry a Leatherman in the glovebox, and water, and rope.


Cute little cigar box


Hmm, what's under the rag?


I need to put a set of rubber gloves in there, and actually use them....

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Sun Nov 14, 2021 6:54 am linkquote
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I used to use a cigar box for recreational products...

This little box fits in the P200 glove box under the turn signal selector.

I also carry a Leatherman in the glovebox, and water, and rope.
Nice set-up, qa! Hard to believe you can cram so many essentials in that handsome little box, but it fits just perfectly. I puzzled over those black cords for a few minutes until the light dawned on me that they are zip-ties, right? Smart planning to have a few of those in the tool kit—I'll totally be copying you Need to copy your spare pinch/adjuster bolts as well. I just LOVE gleaning good ideas from the more experienced members here!

But what does the rope do? I have a sneaking suspicion its purpose is to tow.....

Congrats on your megacollection of inherited cigar boxes. They are SO handy for storage, aren't they? I just acquired this nice one a few weeks ago.



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the perfect storage case for a GLUT of fridge magnets from my travels...



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Sun Nov 14, 2021 7:06 am linkquote
SoCalGuy wrote:
Good for you, showing that clutch who's boss... way to keep your cool and bang shift ol Blue back to the homestead.

Btw, if the throttle cable ever snaps, you can get home with a pair of strategically placed vice grips or hemostat clip.
Thanks, SoCal! I'll keep this tip percolating in my mind for the next breakdown. I do have a vice grip in my emergency kit.... Also a leg I suppose I could use, a la Chandlerman
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Sun Nov 14, 2021 7:21 am linkquote
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........the part where you're getting grease under those shiny fingernails....

It feels great to fix something and know that YOU did it, doesn't it?

Should you ever find yourself in Seattle I will gladly offer up my scooter to you to explore the city. It would be an honor!

Yep, Hal, it IS time to go get greasy in the garage and fix that broken clutch cable. Will be mighty chilly—we got snow last night. But, I try to ride a bit, even in December, if weather permits, so I'm motivated to get Blue back up and running.

DOES feel good to fix something myself! I get pretty tickled when it actually works.

What a gracious offer to loan me your scooter, thank you! I've never been to Seattle, but it's on my short list. I plan to take you up on this, ok?

do they sell any nice fridge magnets there....?
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Sun Nov 14, 2021 7:25 am linkquote
seamus26 wrote:
......wondering why you ever got into scootering in the first place and if you'd listened to your parents and gone to college instead of thinking you could make a living playing guitar you might have gotten out of this god-forsaken town and made something of your life … perhaps I've said too much.

you're killing me here.....
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Sun Nov 14, 2021 7:33 am linkquote
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I was gonna say - the odds are pretty good, actually, whenever it's very inconvenient.

I love these pics - just pure joy with the reality and opportunities of vespa ownership
Duly noted on the odds, xantu and whodat. I'll check the forecast before hedging my bets. And yes, Vespa ownership is a lot of joy, mixed with PLENTY of reality and opportunities, haha.
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Sun Nov 14, 2021 7:42 am linkquote
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The last time I had a clutch cable go I was able to do the get it started in neutral and roll it and slam it into 2nd thing myself. Next level mastery = shifting no clutch up/down, which is quite doable until you need to stop again....
Ha! Nice work! Guess I am already in the intermediate level, then. Was shifting up and down, but told myself I was NOT stopping. Just made a series of right-hand turns until I got an opening in the traffic. Was kind of dangerous, actually.....also a bit thrilling.
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Sun Nov 14, 2021 7:46 am linkquote
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TACOS!!!!
(And a cable shenanigans in the rain.)

Good on ya.
Thanks, Bird! Vespa + food truck=❤️
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Rope in an emergency kit can be a flywheel holder if you stuff it down the spark plug hole.
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Tue Nov 16, 2021 9:06 pm linkquote
F&@! the F%#¥-ing Fσφήκες-up STOOPID CLUTCH CABLE😡😡😡😡

Yeah..... just a fun afternoon in the cold driveway....

Second time fixing clutch cable. First time I was a total noob and cried my silly eyes out. This time I'm not a TOTAL noob and just swear endlessly at the whole scenario. Might still cry, too. I reserve the right.

"Thread the newly greased cable into the little slot and sliiiiide it through... pull out other end and secure with pinch bolt. Et Voila! Cable ees feeexx!!"

So easy, right? RONG!!!!

Le Fooking inner cable will NOT thread into outer cable at headset. Takes 50 tries with small gurl fingers mashing around clutch housing trying to get inner and outer to line up, then mostly getting poked by stoopid sharp cable that enters the slot easily but does not enter outer cable tube. FOOK!!!

If I eventually do get them lined up and inner enters outer, the cable hangs up at the curvature point in headset and WILL. NOT. PUSH. DOWN.

If I get it past that point (only happened ONCE in 500 attempts), it just hangs up at the bottom and won't push out the other end. (Sounds gross, right? )

Something so fooking "simple and straightforward", but I can't get it done.

Needed to vent. Anyone have any tips? Thanks.


FOOK!!!!

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Tue Nov 16, 2021 9:08 pm linkquote
At least I've learned to tip scooter a bit so back doesn't hurt so much



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Tue Nov 16, 2021 9:28 pm linkquote
You aren't cutting the cable before you put it in right? What always works for me when it hangs up on a bend or the exit point... try jiggling it in and out rapidly with light to medium force at that hangup spot and eventually it finds its way through. Might also help to remove the headset top when split headset, or on your single cast headset, remove the bulb so you can grab the outer and hold onto it while you jiggle with a little more force. Everything on these can be frustrating beyond belief, until you've finally done it enough times you've learned some trick or other to get the job done easier. But until you do.. curses and anger.

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Tue Nov 16, 2021 9:29 pm linkquote
AAAARRRRGGGGGHHHH! I feel your pain!

OK, deep breath, swig of coffee and get the wire threaded into the outer at the headset.

When it starts to get hard to push through, twist the cable like you're tightening the cable tighter. The twisting motion will help it a little further along.

Same thing at the end. The cable is getting hung up on the stupid fooking metal piece at the end, or the cable helmet. The twisting helps it get through that dinky hole.

I'd throw out at least a half dozen inuendos into the whole cable inner/outer scene, but the frustration of making this happen supercedes any joking around.

You got this - twisting the cable like you're tightening the threads up or counterclockwise helps.
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Tue Nov 16, 2021 9:33 pm linkquote
I like the yoga mat. I use bathroom rugs - the shag kind that smell like piss if you actually have them - for work mats.

No advice but 10,000% been there. A walk helps. Maybe a beer and 11 minutes of tv watching.

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Tue Nov 16, 2021 10:19 pm linkquote
it's never fun, the cable on my rally is about to snap and I dread it.

pro tip: if the clutch cable is getting tighter over time, the clutch plates are slipping and wearing down. If the clutch cable is getting looser over time, the cable is going to snap, just a mater of time. If it stays in perfect adjustment, then both are probably happening and you will rue the day. such are cables

when just fishing a new cable in does not work:
1. when it hangs up at the engine end of the cable you can remove the cable housing from the adjuster. this removes things for the inner to get hung up on. After it sticks out 1-2cm you can put both back into the adjuster and push the rest of the cable through.

2. If it gets hung up at the bend in the headset you can remove the speedo (and maybe headlight) to be able to reach in and pull the housing up a few cm, then feed the inner in till it will not move, then slide the housing back down and push the inner some more. This can be repeated as many times as needed to get the end of the cable around the bend. it's a total pain and I only do it if all else fails, but it works.
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Wed Nov 17, 2021 3:35 am linkquote
Also when you twist to try and thread a new cable with and soldered end. Twist in the same direction as new cable twist.
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Wed Nov 17, 2021 7:13 am linkquote
If it hangs up in the headset, can you turn the handlebars and see if that helps?

You could also remove the headlight and try to manipulate the clutch outer and see if that helps smooth out some sharp bends?

It shouldn't be so difficult. Wonder if the outer is toast?
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Wed Nov 17, 2021 8:06 am linkquote
MJRally wrote:
If it hangs up in the headset, can you turn the handlebars and see if that helps?

You could also remove the headlight and try to manipulate the clutch outer and see if that helps smooth out some sharp bends?

It shouldn't be so difficult. Wonder if the outer is toast?
I had to run a new outer on the P. I felt absolutely everything Kimono said. The most maddening thing about stuff like that is ... It. Should. Have. Been. Easy.

I hate those jobs.
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Wed Nov 17, 2021 8:15 am linkquote
Find the rock n roller in your life and borrow a guitar string. One of the bigger "wound" strings.

See if you can thread that past where you are getting hung up.
It may tell you if the outer has had a blow-out or not.

Good luck!
Wed Nov 17, 2021 8:23 am

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Wed Nov 17, 2021 8:23 am linkquote
I'd say yeah, the outer is probably toast, would be ideal to replace. However, I'm also in team twist while poking it in and out, eventually it will find it's way through.

If you ever do go to replace the outer, the best way is to get weed wacker line at least twice as long as your inner. put a knot on one end, and feed it through the existing outer and the new outer, then pull the new one into place by using the line and the old outer to guide the new one into place. You can do a bit of tape over the end of the 2 cables where they meet so they stay even closer together, but not too much or it may get caught along the way.
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Wed Nov 17, 2021 9:39 am linkquote
I soldered ,grind a taper on the end and resolder so the end resembles a dull pencil tip. Grease the cable, and go at it. Considering the age of your scoot, it may need a new outer too. Make sure to trim it for length once installed for smoother clutch operation.
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Wed Nov 17, 2021 12:29 pm linkquote
This advice is after the fact but it might be useful anyway.

Whenever I have to change a clutch cable, or any cable for that matter, while I am pulling the old cable out from the top, I am at the same time, pushing a second cable through the old outer up from the bottom. The second cable is just something I bought at Home Depot and is a little thinner than the one I am replacing. I keep the second cable about two or three inches from the end of the one being pulled out until the original cable comes out of the top. Then I reverse the process and push the new cable through the outer while I simultaneously pull out the second cable out from the bottom, again keeping the new cable about 2 or 3 inches from the end of the second cable. Using the second cable prevents the old outer from collapsing or kinking in such a way that I can't push the new cable through.

As I said, this trick is too late to help you now however it makes me think that you might be able to push a second cable up from the bottom and through the kinks from that direction. If that works, then you can follow my suggestion and push your new cable down from the top while pulling the second cable out from the bottom.

Hope this helps… if not now, then in the future.
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Wed Nov 17, 2021 9:51 pm linkquote
Everyone's got their own method.
Here's mine.

Get a knife.
Sharp is best.
Cut a lime into quarters.
Yes - a lime.
Trust me - this works every time.

Cut the lime long ways to help - you need to be able to dribble the juice just so.
Make sure the outer is oiled, and the top little opening is visible - helpful if the scooter is parked leaning in the garage or the like.

Ok - now take the largest quarter of the lime and hold it between your pointer finger and your thumb.
Take the lime, squeeze it over some ice, tonic, and gin, throw the lime in the glass, and have a deep long gulp.

Your halfway there!
🙂
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Thu Nov 18, 2021 7:13 pm linkquote
charlieman22 wrote:
Everyone's got their own method.
Here's mine.

Get a knife.
Sharp is best.
Cut a lime into quarters.
Yes - a lime.
Trust me - this works every time.

Cut the lime long ways to help - you need to be able to dribble the juice just so.
Make sure the outer is oiled, and the top little opening is visible - helpful if the scooter is parked leaning in the garage or the like.

Ok - now take the largest quarter of the lime and hold it between your pointer finger and your thumb.
Take the lime, squeeze it over some ice, tonic, and gin, throw the lime in the glass, and have a deep long gulp.

Your halfway there!
🙂
You absolutely and TOTALLY suckered me in, right up to the very end!

SO MANY fantastic and detailed, been-there-done-that, tips and tricks were sent from you all. I am very much obliged and thank you! Will get a 2-hour window this weekend to re-attempt Le Cable. I will be scanning each one of your suggestions and working my way down the list until I succeed. But, I'm gonna START at the bottom with CM's priceless professional lime technique

Shopping List:
Solder (murky on this whole topic)
New outer cable
LIMES!!!!
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