Mon May 11, 2020 7:15 pm

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Mon May 11, 2020 7:15 pm linkquote
I wanted to trade my 16 BV for a new 2020 model. Dealer in Fla told me with transport , prep etc it was 8K.. I was shocked , pls tell me there are better prices out there !
Mon May 11, 2020 7:23 pm

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Mon May 11, 2020 7:23 pm linkquote
I'll look for the paperwork for the 2019 Liberty 150S. I remember the "transport/shipping" fee being crazy! Outside of that, all the paperwork should be the same cost, except for the purchase taxes. Found it:
Scooter was $3,099
DMV fees: $180
PDI/Freight: $849
Online filing fee: $17
Processing fee:$199
Total: $4,345 when all was said and done. Honestly, I have no regrets. I love the scooter. My wife said I had to "Pay to play.".
Note that this was the new model year and was fresh outta the crate.
You can ask for a written OTD (Out the Door) price to see were your money will go. My dealer used to post OTD prices but they kinda went back to a MSRP price. I've purchased a few new vehicles to know that the MSRP price and the OTD price are 2 different animals. Buying used you can avoid some of these fees.
Mon May 11, 2020 7:45 pm

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Mon May 11, 2020 7:45 pm linkquote
And that Matte Green 2020 BV is HOT!
Mon May 11, 2020 9:55 pm

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Mon May 11, 2020 9:55 pm linkquote
My 2013 BV350 was over $7k after all the fees.
Tue May 12, 2020 2:06 am

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Tue May 12, 2020 2:06 am linkquote
Sounds about right.
Tue May 12, 2020 2:31 am

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Tue May 12, 2020 2:31 am linkquote
MSRP is $6600.

+ sales tax
+ setup
+ Shipping
+ licensing
Tue May 12, 2020 3:30 am

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Tue May 12, 2020 3:30 am linkquote
When I bought my 2014 BV, New Scooters4less was $1,000 less than all dealers from Orlando to Jax.
If you want the best deal. Call the dealers and tell them you are calling all the dealers for the best OTD price. Could also depend if they have one in stock.
I'd bet cash money NS4L would sell you one for less than $7,000 OTD.
BTW my 2014 cost $6,150 OTD. My 2015 was $6,250 OTD.
I remember in 1995 I used the same method to buy a SeaDoo and paid $1,500 than others I talked to at the local lakes.

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Tue May 12, 2020 3:33 am

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Tue May 12, 2020 3:33 am linkquote
ScOOter is dead on... that's exactly how the dealer broke it down. And mine with 18,000 was worth only 2K to them. My bv is running like a puma at 18 k i'm just going to keep her. Thanks boys its not only Piaggio that is raising there prices I think there is rampant inflation all across the board
Tue May 12, 2020 3:58 am

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Tue May 12, 2020 3:58 am linkquote
breaknwind wrote:
When I bought my 2014 BV, New Scooters4less was $1,000 less than all dealers from Orlando to Jax.
If you want the best deal. Call the dealers and tell them you are calling all the dealers for the best OTD price. Could also depend if they have one in stock.
I'd bet cash money NS4L would sell you one for less than $7,000 OTD.
BTW my 2014 cost $6,150 OTD. My 2015 was $6,250 OTD.
I remember in 1995 I used the same method to buy a SeaDoo and paid $1,500 than others I talked to at the local lakes.
I feel the same way. I think the local dealers are way to independent. I want to support my local dealer and there was zero flex in the price, and to boot I was getting it up the other end when he told me without an $800 service my 2016 / 18K scooter was worth 1k. My scooter is running perfect and all maintenance up to date. I'm pissed
Tue May 12, 2020 4:03 am

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Tue May 12, 2020 4:03 am linkquote
kdude wrote:
I feel the same way. I think the local dealers are way to independent. I want to support my local dealer and there was zero flex in the price, and to boot I was getting it up the other end when he told me without an $800 service my 2016 / 18K scooter was worth 1k. My scooter is running perfect and all maintenance up to date. I'm pissed
Guess you have never traded in a motorcycle, they don't give you crap. And that is why you don't see a lot of used motorcycles at dealers. If you trade in your bike to a dealer it means you don't care how much you get or you are just lazy and don't want to deal with selling it yourself.
Tue May 12, 2020 4:28 am

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Tue May 12, 2020 4:28 am linkquote
kdude wrote:
I think the local dealers are way to independent. I want to support my local dealer and there was zero flex in the price, and to boot I was getting it up the other end when he told me without an $800 service my 2016 / 18K scooter was worth 1k. My scooter is running perfect and all maintenance up to date. I'm pissed
i mean realistically what's a 4 yr old bike worth? the second you drove it off the lot it was worth half, and then you put mileage on it. this isn't craigslist where we be trying to trade of broken air compressors, extension cords and pit bull puppies (blues only). this is business.

add to that, if i'm a highliner shit is getting done right. full tilt service, tires and brakes. that's an easy 8 on my tab in the service department that i'm not gonna eat on the sale of a used bike.

don't like it? sell it yourself and deal with nickle dick time wasters and c'list tire kickers. maybe you get lucky with a quick sale or get mired in the nonsense monsters that inhabit that landscape. roll the dice hombre.

been there, done that, read the book and saw the movie.

-g
Tue May 12, 2020 4:38 am

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Tue May 12, 2020 4:38 am linkquote
People don't seem to understand dealers need to pay the bills AND feed their families.
Use to HATE lower ballers when I was selling cars. We called them price maggots. Took home a hole $75 Dec 2003.
Let me go to the place you work and pay you nothing to do your job because I saw on the internet some maggot got it for less than dealer cost.
Tue May 12, 2020 4:51 am

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Tue May 12, 2020 4:51 am linkquote
i'm at the bro... you've got 18K so you need a complete trans service, most likely a valve adjust, and imma guess you need tires... at least one or the other. and probably some brakes. and if i want to sell this then i def need to flush and bleed the coolant and brakes.

that's several hundy in parts easy money. then i gotta pay my guys (well, actually it'd be me here) to knock all that out. so there's dough, too. and then i'm trying to sell a bike with mileage, that's several years old?

nah. no thanks. hard pass.

sell that mess and bring in a cash deposit on a new bike.
(but, like, totally give my number to whoever buys it)

-g
Tue May 12, 2020 5:02 am

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Tue May 12, 2020 5:02 am linkquote
WEB-Tech wrote:
People don't seem to understand dealers need to pay the bills AND feed their families.
Use to HATE lower ballers when I was selling cars. We called them price maggots. Took home a hole $75 Dec 2003.
Let me go to the place you work and pay you nothing to do your job because I saw on the internet some maggot got it for less than dealer cost.

I'm one of those price maggots. And you worked for a steal-er-ship.

You can hate on low-ballers all you want, but at the end of the day if you say 'yes' to an offer it isn't a low-ball offer anymore. It's an accepted offer. And if you go on calling it a low-ball offer, and you accepted it, well frankly now you are looking desperate. "That guy screwed me" just isn't a great image to spread around.

As to dealers feeding their families, I have my own responsibilities. For me to pay more than I absolutely have to for anything is effectively charity on my part. That's how I see it anyway. And there are places I will happily direct my charitable spending (including several local shops). Car dealerships just aren't one of those.

I was at a dealership,... back in 1999 when I was looking to buy an Explorer. Sat down with the salesman, he gave his speech about what a nice car it was, I asked what his best price was. After five minutes of him explaining how he needed to feed the family and list WAS the price, I left. And paid slightly less somewhere else. Seriously there was a point at which I was chuckling. Not like I was tied to that dealership; I commute ~65 miles each way, and there are probably a dozen Ford dealerships (or more) within that radius of my home.

For someone who will be using that dealership's service to do all the maintenance, or who for whatever reason wants to keep things very local, sure, spend a bit more for the car. Have a relationship. That's just not me.

As to coming to my place of work and offering to pay nothing, that happens all the time. I'm not in sales, I'm in development, but I do know that there are customers out there who don't know the costs involved in creating product, so they make offers based on pure conjecture. And they are often very wrong. But hey, if they guess close they may well get a deal.

I have bought and sold on Craigslist and Marketplace many times. If you really know what you are selling, you will have less problems. If you don't understand the value of what you have, or if you are in a hurry, you will have to deal with all those tire-kickers.

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Tue May 12, 2020 5:05 am

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Tue May 12, 2020 5:05 am linkquote
greasy125 wrote:
i'm at the bro... you've got 18K so you need a complete trans service, most likely a valve adjust, and imma guess you need tires... at least one or the other. and probably some brakes. and if i want to sell this then i def need to flush and bleed the coolant and brakes.

that's several hundy in parts easy money. then i gotta pay my guys (well, actually it'd be me here) to knock all that out. so there's dough, too. and then i'm trying to sell a bike with mileage, that's several years old?

nah. no thanks. hard pass.

sell that mess and bring in a cash deposit on a new bike.
(but, like, totally give my number to whoever buys it)

-g
Totally agree with this, by the way.
If I was the buyer, I'd spend those ~$300 for all the parts I'd need and a weekend to get it all in shape.
But yeah, you would effectively put more like ~$800 or so into it.

It is exactly this reason that any private seller who quotes me any sort of dealer price gets a hard stare.
Tue May 12, 2020 6:21 am

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Tue May 12, 2020 6:21 am linkquote
2018 bought new in 2019
Bougt my BV last June, with 5 miles from the dealership. It wound up being about 7K after taxes, registration. Delivery was free, but yeah, even though it was a year old at that point, I thought they'd be eager to dump it off their lot. Regardless, I was super eager to relieve them of it so I bought it. The figure sounds comparable but still BS with the handling fees and all that shit. Any chance you can pick up and ride home somehow? Save some do re mi??
Tue May 12, 2020 6:27 am

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Tue May 12, 2020 6:27 am linkquote
Sure the dealer needs to make a living and cover expenses. I had some service related issues. I went back to the dealer under warranty. The selling dealer I bought from. Lets just say the issue I went in for is still not corrected, nor was I impressed with the work. I sure hope that other service station meet expectations and solve problems. The sad part is I really wanted a place to bring the scooter for service.

John
Tue May 12, 2020 6:42 am

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Tue May 12, 2020 6:42 am linkquote
Meanwhile, the 2020 Honda PCX lists at $3,700. THAT'S the scooter that out-performed everything else on the last Cannonball.

Last year I got my 0 miles, just uncrated, 2018 Honda CRF250L for $5,000 out the door....

...I looked to buy used but noted after 4 months of hard searching that 3, 4, even 5 year old CRFs were selling for $4,000, so not all bike lose 80% of their value after 4 years.

Justify the $8,000 price all y'all want but the net result seems to be increasingly shrinking market share and shuttered shops.

I mean if you can't keep yer dealerships open it certainly seems fair to critique that business model.
Tue May 12, 2020 6:52 am

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Tue May 12, 2020 6:52 am linkquote
The saying goes "Everyone has to eat." There is only one Piaggio/Vespa dealer around so there was no comparison shopping. And the dealer was upfront with all the cost before going forward with purchasing the Liberty. I technically had a trade-in (Burgman 200) but I ended up giving it to a friend who needed a better, more reliable scooter. So you can wait till the end of the year (we are already half-way there) and get a year-end markdown, and with the current situation (Covid) that may also further help get a great year-end deal. I like buying new scooters and tend to keep them for the long haul, so I don't really care about the OTD price, as long as its honest. Buy the time I replace the Liberty it will be worth peanuts, so I'll probably pass it forward to someone in need of a better scooter.
Tue May 12, 2020 7:04 am

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Tue May 12, 2020 7:04 am linkquote
Madison Sully wrote:
WEB-Tech wrote:
People don't seem to understand dealers need to pay the bills AND feed their families.
Use to HATE lower ballers when I was selling cars. We called them price maggots. Took home a hole $75 Dec 2003.
Let me go to the place you work and pay you nothing to do your job because I saw on the internet some maggot got it for less than dealer cost.

I'm one of those price maggots. And you worked for a steal-er-ship.

You can hate on low-ballers all you want, but at the end of the day if you say 'yes' to an offer it isn't a low-ball offer anymore. It's an accepted offer. And if you go on calling it a low-ball offer, and you accepted it, well frankly now you are looking desperate. "That guy screwed me" just isn't a great image to spread around.

Hope the dealer you go to doesn't have to many customers like you or you won't have a dealership to go to in a few years for part server or to buy a new vehicle.
Dealer can live on selling cars for invoice is they pay cash for their cars as they still have the dealer hold back the sales doesn't see anything from.
And would hate to be wait stuff for you too if that is your attitude towards someone that is serving or selling you something. Well you want it cheaper just don't tip. Same thing in the end, the person helping you got nothing.
Tue May 12, 2020 7:31 am

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Tue May 12, 2020 7:31 am linkquote
WEB-Tech wrote:
Madison Sully wrote:
WEB-Tech wrote:
People don't seem to understand dealers need to pay the bills AND feed their families.
Use to HATE lower ballers when I was selling cars. We called them price maggots. Took home a hole $75 Dec 2003.
Let me go to the place you work and pay you nothing to do your job because I saw on the internet some maggot got it for less than dealer cost.

I'm one of those price maggots. And you worked for a steal-er-ship.

You can hate on low-ballers all you want, but at the end of the day if you say 'yes' to an offer it isn't a low-ball offer anymore. It's an accepted offer. And if you go on calling it a low-ball offer, and you accepted it, well frankly now you are looking desperate. "That guy screwed me" just isn't a great image to spread around.

Hope the dealer you go to doesn't have to many customers like you or you won't have a dealership to go to in a few years for part server or to buy a new vehicle.
Dealer can live on selling cars for invoice is they pay cash for their cars as they still have the dealer hold back the sales doesn't see anything from.
And would hate to be wait stuff for you too if that is your attitude towards someone that is serving or selling you something. Well you want it cheaper just don't tip. Same thing in the end, the person helping you got nothing.
Actually I typically tip quite well. Often over the "norm". It is almost always very well deserved.

What is NOT deserved is giving me an attitude that I owe a dealership list price on a product that is very much normally sold well below it.

As sc00ter pointed out, if there is one dealer within a reasonable distance, I would not do what I do. So if anything, shame on Ford for putting so many dealerships in such close proximity.


Way too many Ford dealerships near Madison WI.

Tue May 12, 2020 7:54 am

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Tue May 12, 2020 7:54 am linkquote
Battle royal 8)

I feel at the end of the day. Its better to get 20 $10 profits than 1 $20 profit.

BTW.

Hey kdude, Long time eh.
Tue May 12, 2020 8:54 am

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Tue May 12, 2020 8:54 am linkquote
breaknwind wrote:
Battle royal 8)

I feel at the end of the day. Its better to get 20 $10 profits than 1 $20 profit.

BTW.

Hey kdude, Long time eh.
But in the Scooter selling business it doesn't work like that. You don't have unlimited customers.
And your not hurting the dealership, they make their money off service not sales. You are hurting the person that you worked with that sold you the scooter.
Tue May 12, 2020 9:12 am

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Tue May 12, 2020 9:12 am linkquote
WEB-Tech wrote:
breaknwind wrote:
Battle royal 8)

I feel at the end of the day. Its better to get 20 $10 profits than 1 $20 profit.

BTW.

Hey kdude, Long time eh.
But in the Scooter selling business it doesn't work like that. You don't have unlimited customers.
And your not hurting the dealership, they make their money off service not sales. You are hurting the person that you worked with that sold you the scooter.
Sometimes you eat the worm and sometimes the worm eats you
Tue May 12, 2020 9:38 am

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Tue May 12, 2020 9:38 am linkquote
Nope, that's what my husband's 2020 would have cost before trade in. Try selling your BV independently to make more $$$ than trading it in and use it to offset the cost of a new one.
Tue May 12, 2020 10:34 am

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Tue May 12, 2020 10:34 am linkquote
You always pay people to do the work you don't want to do.

If that work is something you really don't want to do, you'll pay more.

If it's work you don't know how to do, maybe you can learn how. Maybe not.

If it's work you don't like to do, because you don't like to deal with people selling and buying, fine but it will cost you.

Notice how it's pretty much all up to you? That's how things work.
Tue May 12, 2020 10:40 am

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Tue May 12, 2020 10:40 am linkquote
I know enough about running a scooter dealership that I know I don't know shit about running a scooter dealership.

Lease, business licenses, salary, floor plan, how many to order. blah blah blah . Doesn't sound easy to me and from my understanding the profit margin is pretty slim.

They know that you're going to want more shiny stuff and you're going to need oil changes and belts and all that stuff.

I don't think dealers are out to make a big profit by selling a scooter. Too much competition on price. Sell a scooter, make a little money on it and gain a customer sounds good.

Treat them right and they'll tell their friends. Give them good service at a fair price they'll keep coming back, bring their friends and all of a sudden everyone's having a good time!

Is it an expensive scooter? Well yeah, and it's also an awesome ride! Nobody has to buy one. I have a BMW 650 that I decided was worth what I paid for it.

Also you don't have to pay a ton of money for a good scoter. Used can be a great way to save a ton of coin. I was looking for a 200 to 250 water cooled not a GT (pillion not comfortable for Bocette). I found a 2004 BV 200 in excellent condition with Beverly side cases and top box 4K miles for $1,400. I put about another $400 into it for tires, battery, water pump rebuild kit, fluids etc. So for under $2,000 I have an awesome scooter that looks and runs like new.
Tue May 12, 2020 11:43 am

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Tue May 12, 2020 11:43 am linkquote
sc00ter wrote:
I'll look for the paperwork for the 2019 Liberty 150S. I remember the "transport/shipping" fee being crazy! Outside of that, all the paperwork should be the same cost, except for the purchase taxes. Found it:
Scooter was $3,099
DMV fees: $180
PDI/Freight: $849
Online filing fee: $17
Processing fee:$199
Total: $4,345 when all was said and done. Honestly, I have no regrets. I love the scooter. My wife said I had to "Pay to play.".
Note that this was the new model year and was fresh outta the crate.
You can ask for a written OTD (Out the Door) price to see were your money will go. My dealer used to post OTD prices but they kinda went back to a MSRP price. I've purchased a few new vehicles to know that the MSRP price and the OTD price are 2 different animals. Buying used you can avoid some of these fees.
Bought my new '18 Liberty S for rather a lot less than that - but then it's hard to find a still-boxed scooter in a dealership that was just hit by a tornado.....and going out of business.

O.S.
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2016 BV350 White
Joined: 01 May 2010
Posts: 431
Location: East LA County, CA, USA
Thu May 14, 2020 8:05 pm linkquote
$8K and a little was what a new BV350 was going for two years ago when l bought mine. If you are willing to buy new-old stock then the price goes down by $400 to $1500 depending on how long it sat. Just ask the dealer what's available. Your color options are limited to what the dealer has on hand or what's in the Piaggio warehouse. I got a $1500 discount because I bought a two year old but unused BV350 that my dealer had on hand. It was too good of a deal to pass up and it came in the color that I wanted. The only difference at the time was the new 2018 models came with a push button seat release which added another $300 to the price. You can throw in the cost of new battery since the one that sat won't last too long. My BV350 is still in pristine condition and I drove it everyday until I was forced to work at home. Once you drive it off the lot it matter won't for very long that it was the current year when you bought it. I plan to buy my next scooter the same way. Your insurance will already be lower because its one or two years older.
Fri May 15, 2020 12:32 am

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Black Beater SH150i(34,000)Red Devil SH150i (2000)
Joined: 27 Dec 2013
Posts: 2920
Location: Orange Park Florida
 
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Black Beater SH150i(34,000)Red Devil SH150i (2000)
Joined: 27 Dec 2013
Posts: 2920
Location: Orange Park Florida
Fri May 15, 2020 12:32 am linkquote
bean counter wrote:
The only difference at the time was the new 2018 models came with a push button seat release which added another $300 to the price.

Both of my BV's have a push button seat release. Is this sentence a mistake or is your dealer a flim flam man.
Fri May 15, 2020 12:50 am

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2015 BV350 2007 GTS(sold) 2003 BV200
Joined: 04 Feb 2012
Posts: 766
Location: nyc
 
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2015 BV350 2007 GTS(sold) 2003 BV200
Joined: 04 Feb 2012
Posts: 766
Location: nyc
Fri May 15, 2020 12:50 am linkquote
bean counter wrote:
$8K and a little was what a new BV350 was going for two years ago when l bought mine. If you are willing to buy new-old stock then the price goes down by $400 to $1500 depending on how long it sat. Just ask the dealer what's available. Your color options are limited to what the dealer has on hand or what's in the Piaggio warehouse. I got a $1500 discount because I bought a two year old but unused BV350 that my dealer had on hand. It was too good of a deal to pass up and it came in the color that I wanted. The only difference at the time was the new 2018 models came with a push button seat release which added another $300 to the price. You can throw in the cost of new battery since the one that sat won't last too long. My BV350 is still in pristine condition and I drove it everyday until I was forced to work at home. Once you drive it off the lot it matter won't for very long that it was the current year when you bought it. I plan to buy my next scooter the same way. Your insurance will already be lower because its one or two years older.
I like a deal/bargain please share your source. PM me.

John
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Thu Jun 11, 2020 7:35 pm

Hooked
2016 BV350 White
Joined: 01 May 2010
Posts: 431
Location: East LA County, CA, USA
 
Hooked
2016 BV350 White
Joined: 01 May 2010
Posts: 431
Location: East LA County, CA, USA
Thu Jun 11, 2020 7:35 pm linkquote
My BV350 is a 2016 model and it can with no push button for the seat. I believe that started on 2018 models. There's no secret to finding new old stock. Just check with one or two of your local dealers.
Fri Jun 12, 2020 4:46 am

Hooked
Joined: 06 Oct 2013
Posts: 396

 
Hooked
Joined: 06 Oct 2013
Posts: 396

Fri Jun 12, 2020 4:46 am linkquote
How can a BV cost $8000? Have you seen how many pieces they stuff into these things?



Fri Jun 12, 2020 4:54 am

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2020 Piaggio Liberty 150 (Sold), 2020 XMAX 300
Joined: 07 Dec 2019
Posts: 26
Location: Central FL
 
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2020 Piaggio Liberty 150 (Sold), 2020 XMAX 300
Joined: 07 Dec 2019
Posts: 26
Location: Central FL
Fri Jun 12, 2020 4:54 am linkquote
sc00ter wrote:
I'll look for the paperwork for the 2019 Liberty 150S. I remember the "transport/shipping" fee being crazy! Outside of that, all the paperwork should be the same cost, except for the purchase taxes. Found it:
Scooter was $3,099
DMV fees: $180
PDI/Freight: $849
Online filing fee: $17
Processing fee:$199
Total: $4,345 when all was said and done. Honestly, I have no regrets. I love the scooter. My wife said I had to "Pay to play.".
Note that this was the new model year and was fresh outta the crate.
You can ask for a written OTD (Out the Door) price to see were your money will go. My dealer used to post OTD prices but they kinda went back to a MSRP price. I've purchased a few new vehicles to know that the MSRP price and the OTD price are 2 different animals. Buying used you can avoid some of these fees.
Know I'm a month late with this reply, but just in case it helps someone else shopping, my new 2020 Liberty 150 (not S model) was $4144 out the door at dealer in Daytona Beach. Dealer in St. Augustine wouldn't budge below $4400 OTD.
Sat Jun 13, 2020 3:14 am

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2020 Primavera 50 Touring
Joined: 11 Mar 2020
Posts: 29
Location: New Jersey
 
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2020 Primavera 50 Touring
Joined: 11 Mar 2020
Posts: 29
Location: New Jersey
Sat Jun 13, 2020 3:14 am linkquote
Never fails to amuse me that an adult who has purchased any type of motor vehicle in the past is surprised or upset by frieght, tax, or registration fees.
The only fee that really ever needs to be debated is the prep/processing fee as it varies dealer to dealer and is somewhat arbitrary.
This is of course assuming that actual selling price is in line.
Sat Jun 13, 2020 3:44 am

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Joined: 29 Apr 2018
Posts: 797

 
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Joined: 29 Apr 2018
Posts: 797

Sat Jun 13, 2020 3:44 am linkquote
NS4L sells hundreds of scooters each year. They will deal.
Mon Jun 15, 2020 6:43 am

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2017 Piaggio BV350
Joined: 21 Jun 2016
Posts: 667
Location: Irving, TX
 
Addicted
2017 Piaggio BV350
Joined: 21 Jun 2016
Posts: 667
Location: Irving, TX
Mon Jun 15, 2020 6:43 am linkquote
My 2017 BV350 had a list price of $6399.
Tax, Title, License, Inspection, freight & fees came to $942.38.
The dealership gave me $2000 for my 2013 BV350 (which had a push button seat release).
And they gave me a further $700 discount.
Grand total was $4641.38.

It had been sitting on their floor for over 14 months, they wanted to move it.

And they ended up selling my old one twice after I traded it in. The first person bought it, then decided they didn't like it a week later, and sold it back to the dealer (at a loss to the customer).

They had previously quoted me $5604.78 out the door two months prior to me buying it. The difference was they offered $1400 for the 2013 on trade, and discounted the 2017 by $300. and charged $100 less on pre-delivery inspection on the first quote vs the second.

I figured $4641.38 was a fair deal for a brand-new scooter with 5 miles on it and a 2-year warranty. My 2013 had an electrical issue that we couldn't resolve (it stalled out when driving in wet weather, and had difficulty starting in wet/humid weather). I'd had it for 2 years, so I figured the trade value was fair, especially considering the issues I had with it (and that they were aware of).
Mon Jun 22, 2020 1:58 pm

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BV 400 (21) , BV 350 (16) SOLD :( , Sprint 150 2015(SOLD), Liberty S150 2018
Joined: 07 Jun 2009
Posts: 2945
Location: Florida
 
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BV 400 (21) , BV 350 (16) SOLD :( , Sprint 150 2015(SOLD), Liberty S150 2018
Joined: 07 Jun 2009
Posts: 2945
Location: Florida
Mon Jun 22, 2020 1:58 pm linkquote
greasy125 wrote:
kdude wrote:
I think the local dealers are way to independent. I want to support my local dealer and there was zero flex in the price, and to boot I was getting it up the other end when he told me without an $800 service my 2016 / 18K scooter was worth 1k. My scooter is running perfect and all maintenance up to date. I'm pissed
i mean realistically what's a 4 yr old bike worth? the second you drove it off the lot it was worth half, and then you put mileage on it. this isn't craigslist where we be trying to trade of broken air compressors, extension cords and pit bull puppies (blues only). this is business.

add to that, if i'm a highliner shit is getting done right. full tilt service, tires and brakes. that's an easy 8 on my tab in the service department that i'm not gonna eat on the sale of a used bike.

don't like it? sell it yourself and deal with nickle dick time wasters and c'list tire kickers. maybe you get lucky with a quick sale or get mired in the nonsense monsters that inhabit that landscape. roll the dice hombre.

been there, done that, read the book and saw the movie.

-g
I ended up doing the full service plus tires etc and was happy to pay the $1,100 plus bill. Supporting the dealer and getting good service is way more important to me.. Since my ride is running like a puma now and keeping her. I always appreciate your input , keep things real in here
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