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Amazing work!

JDDWRWD. (just don't do what rico would do).
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A rubber band goes there right?

Nah... just joking. I used some no. 8 wire.
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Have taken to a mental check list before I ride - after any tune.
Wheel lugs torqued?
Cotter pin visible?
Engine mount bolt tight?
Rear shock nut on?
(and for me) Side car connections untouched?

Helps 'cause the petrol fumes can leave me a little loopy before I get the fresh air from riding.

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Bike looking great Pheas'.
Hope you get it out on the road soon for some (additional) enjoyment.
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Amazing work!

JDDWRWD. (just don't do what rico would do).
Here's me thinking: just don't die while riding with dogs
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That too!
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Re: riding with dogs...
no animals were hurt during the making of this movie - though a prized toy did get a little road grime on it.
no animals were hurt during the making of this movie - though a prized toy did get a little road grime on it.
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Quick update. Riding... enough to get it to the local retro scooter gurus. Fortunate enough to spend half a day sorting a bunch of things that would have taken me weeks...

1/ Strobed the VAPE. They take the head off and use a micrometer to find TDC, then mark the flywheel. Then use one of these: https://www.innova.com/product/detail/5568a/Pro-Digital-Timing-Light because you can put in the timing and it delays the strobe... means only need the one mark and everything gets easier.

2/ Re-bled the brake - still the same (kinda squishy), then checked the caliper pistons (lubed them up), and then discovered one issue leading to the squishy feeling... the friggen caliper housing opens up when squeezing it! FFS... mechanic took it for a test ride and reckons it's working pretty well... that it will likely get better when the pads and rotor wear in. Also - the MMW piston vs larger surface area caliper pistons probably have a lot to do with the lever travel and feel. If I wanted tighter braking then would need to go back to the Grimeca style. Ironic... But hey... it stops, feels good and I'll stick with it. Ps - guessing all the radial calipers out there may suffer this issue (the aluminum housing flexing) - I have a few and will dig them out to see if the housings look more robust or not.

3/ Mechanic pointed out my rear brake cable outer was a touch too short (PX style) and clutch outer cap end wasn't seating into the adjuster thingy - got replacement pieces and sorted them.

4/ Test ridden by the mechanic and please to report that he gave it the thumbs up. Which means a lot to me as a) he has many years of experience with many scooters and b) is not the kind to mince words - he would have shredded me/my work if he didn't like it.

5/ Smaller main jet - was obviously too big. Think I'm a 124 now.

6/ Took it into the local testing station and got a VIN assigned. Also got permission to use the black plate. Next step is to get the modifications certified - booked in for next week. Then compliance check back at the testing station... final paperwork and it's all legal!
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Have taken to a mental check list before I ride - after any tune.
Wheel lugs torqued?
Cotter pin visible?
Engine mount bolt tight?
Rear shock nut on?
(and for me) Side car connections untouched?
Yeah... add to that - Gear box oil in?

Just lucky I a) hasn't ridden far or fast... and b) remembered that I hadn't checked it and mentioned before the mechanic test rode it (he went hard). It was all but dry Crying or Very sad emoticon

Think I've gotten away with it... will change it again soon to see how much metallic flake comes out.

And yeah... I do remember having drained it over a year ago when pulling it from the PX I stole it from. And that I should've taped a reminder on.

Won't do that again...
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Consider it added to the list.
You are not the first to do that...
Don't ask...

Awesome to see it on the road.

Nice find on the caliper. Geez.
Remind me - which model did you go with? BGM?
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Nice find on the caliper. Geez.
Remind me - which model did you go with? BGM?
Pinasco. Comes with their axel seating... I have a BGM and a few AliExpress options in the shed.
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Yeah... add to that - Gear box oil in?

Just lucky I a) hasn't ridden far or fast... and b) remembered that I hadn't checked it and mentioned before the mechanic test rode it (he went hard). It was all but dry Crying or Very sad emoticon

Think I've gotten away with it... will change it again soon to see how much metallic flake comes out.

And yeah... I do remember having drained it over a year ago when pulling it from the PX I stole it from. And that I should've taped a reminder on.

Won't do that again...
Wait what , you did what? Wha? emoticon
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I was distracted by the shiny things!
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Absolutely pissing with rain atm... Sorted some details. Think I found the fixed the 2T leaking from the tank. ACF-50'd everything. Glove box lid on. Sorted a front dust cap - had a rear one on as a placeholder but it was too big - the front one I had didn't fit b/c was ?36mm. Worked out a piece of my vacuum tube fit perfect - it has a slight taper which is perfect. Touched up the leg shield and badged it!
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Sweet!
Looks downright ready to ride!
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Sweet!
Looks downright ready to ride!
Haha... don't you worry. Had a few blats on it. But just waiting on the certifier to get back to me so it's legal... and that will mean insured. Feel like I'll break Murphy's law riding it now. That and the rain... needed to make it more rain-proof.

Little embarrassed- but stuck on working out a cellphone mount! Not many options for where to put one.. guess they didn't think of that in the 60s Was thinking above the glovebox on the left, behind the leg shield... but really don't want to hole anything for a cellphone - even I have my limits. The easiest mounting point is where the hydraulic line goes into the MMW tho - clamp onto that. Kinda functional mounting point - but also a bit ugly. Kinda need it to sort the speedo... but useful anyway.
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Oh man. The number of times I taped mine on until I had the speedo sorted. Hahaha.

Right on to the MMW where you said.
Piece of rubber between phone back and headset.
Electrical tape like I was prepping my hockey stick.
Worked a charm.

Hope your Heidenau's are better than mine - but again would just say - mine turn in to ice-skates at the slightest sign of dampness on the ground.
Scoot sure looks good.
Did you sort out the tach from any bouncing around without the koso filter?
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Did you sort out the tach from any bouncing around without the koso filter?
Yeah - it seems to be fine on 4ppr. Sometimes it fluctuates from 0 - 500 when idling but ok otherwise. Workable for now.

Did you come up with a permanent mount for your phone?
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Yes...I mounted it to my side car...
Sorry brother - no solution for you on that one.
(unless you wanna add a sidecar?)
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Yes...I mounted it to my side car...
Sorry brother - no solution for you on that one.
(unless you wanna add a sidecar?)
Can't lane split with a sidecar! Filter ftw...
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Hey mate, could you adapt this to hold a phone to sit over the headset? Wouldn't have to drill anything. May look weird and vibrate like a mofo.

https://www.sip-scootershop.com/en/products/mirror+holder+sto+right+or_61089000
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Hey mate, could you adapt this to hold a phone to sit over the headset? Wouldn't have to drill anything. May look weird and vibrate like a mofo.

https://www.sip-scootershop.com/en/products/mirror+holder+sto+right+or_61089000
Guessing if it can make a mirror functional then it should be ok? Probably sucks for a mirror too tho! But those mounting points are taken up with the hardware in my headset - be very tricky to tack more on.

Ordered some (more) quadcopter clamps from China. Should arrive in a month or so... But they work so well. And cheap. Can mount to the MMW master cylinder I think. Kinda makes sense to have it on the headset so I can actually see it easily... but have it easy to remove the whole mount.

The other option is to JB weld a mounting point to the back of the leg shield.... just not sure how vibration-proof JB weld is?
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The other option is to JB weld a mounting point to the back of the leg shield.... just not sure how vibration-proof JB weld is?
Not very! If you're considering that location you'd be better off with double-sided tape. They make some great stuff now that sticks like shit to a blanket.
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https://www.3m.com/3M/en_US/vhb-tapes-us/

I like to use 3M VHB tape, never tried it in this application. It did hold my magnetic phone holder to my glove box. The magnetic just doesn't hold my phone it vibrated off.


Maybe this will give you an idea, this is what I've been contemplating. hmmm that extra weight might dampen the mirror a bit also.

https://www.quadlockcase.com/products/mirror-mount-motorcycle-scooter?variant=32248633488

https://ultimatemotorcycling.com/2018/03/23/quad-lock-smartphone-motorcycle-mount-review/

https://www.quadlockcase.com/collections/iphone-8-plus-7-plus
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Hey PP, what about a RAM mount? You could get the big ass clamp and it might clamp to the headset, or a flat disc and ShoeGoo it to the top of the glovebox - non-permanent but will definitely hold.

The clamp I have (in the picture) is the small clamp and the part that holds the phone (Tackform) is this: https://www.amazon.com/s?k=Tackform&ref=nb_sb_noss_2
I clamped it to a mirror mount, but they sell flat discs that could be glued onto the glovebox
I clamped it to a mirror mount, but they sell flat discs that could be glued onto the glovebox
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The other option is to JB weld a mounting point to the back of the leg shield.... just not sure how vibration-proof JB weld is?
Not very! If you're considering that location you'd be better off with double-sided tape. They make some great stuff now that sticks like shit to a blanket.
Good call... I have some heavy duty double sided tape. Might have a play with that...

BTW... awesome Vespa cave you sorted! Can we visit??? (If and when we can travel again that is...)

I think vibration is a legitimate issue. The 12v socket mount CM22 mentioned would be an awesome solution - but no way it would hold I reckon. The actual clamp for the phone looks too weak also. and goose neck too long and would shake like a mofo.

The ram mount looks legit - but just no good mounting points on the headset. Except the MMW where the hydraulic line enters. Got some suitable clamps on the way to play with that.
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https://www.3m.com/3M/en_US/vhb-tapes-us/

I like to use 3M VHB tape, never tried it in this application. It did hold my magnetic phone holder to my glove box. The magnetic just doesn't hold my phone it vibrated off.


Maybe this will give you an idea, this is what I've been contemplating. hmmm that extra weight might dampen the mirror a bit also.

https://www.quadlockcase.com/products/mirror-mount-motorcycle-scooter?variant=32248633488

https://ultimatemotorcycling.com/2018/03/23/quad-lock-smartphone-motorcycle-mount-review/

https://www.quadlockcase.com/collections/iphone-8-plus-7-plus
Those quadlocks are well pricey tho. And need to use their case. I found a cheap alloy phone clamp that will take a range of sizes, case or none...

I'm a fan of clamping stuff together. Adjustable, non-destructive, removable, and solid. Have heaps of various clamps throughout the build (and plenty more on the shelves!). Mostly cheap (but well engineered) stuff from China. Quadcopter clamps are amazing... Drill bit stop clamps - made my pulleys and horn switch from these.
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Thanks for the tips on the clamps, good stuff and the right price.

Can't see why you couldn't visit, apart from the 6 week lockdown just announced. Which means I can't go there.
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This would rock for simplicity and function.
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Haha... fine... I'll track something down and plug it into the 12v socket and see how it beds (insert puns here).

I know... the 12v portable tire compressor I put the socket there for!

Definitely worth checking - as you say it would be a good solution.

That goose neck is too long tho - pretty much need the cradle mounted directly on the 12v plug.
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Just having a laugh.

They make a few that have rigid short neck like you are saying - but having dialed in a SIP speed (twice) I found that having the phone as close to the speedo as possible is ideal for that part.
I was actually thinking for speedo calibration, you might center the phone just on the driver side of the headset - so the screen is right there stacked in your view for that job.

Then if you want to use it going forward - snake it so it basically puts the phone right on top of your glove box - see the image of how I have mine.

Alternatively - you could steel the phone holder off one of these and make your own dowel that went in to the power socket. Im sure you could make a kick ass male plug base. The phone holder parts seem to all be separable.
I think the manufactures build them like that so they can swap out base types.

Links to these examples:
https://www.amazon.com/Metal-Bike-Motorcycle-Phone-Mount/dp/B079Z1CH9B/ref=sr_1_26?dchild=1&keywords=12v+socket+phone+holder&qid=1594186477&sr=8-26

https://www.amazon.com/GUB-Motorcycle-Aluminum-Rotation-Adjustable/dp/B07GKT8FBZ/ref=sr_1_34_sspa?dchild=1&keywords=12v+socket+phone+holder&qid=1594186429&sr=8-34-spons&psc=1&spLa=ZW5jcnlwdGVkUXVhbGlmaWVyPUExTDcwSURIV1JaSldPJmVuY3J5cHRlZElkPUEwODIwNjk5VzFKNlIxRDczS0dTJmVuY3J5cHRlZEFkSWQ9QTA3NDYwMDcxWEVYOFc2WTQzMjEmd2lkZ2V0TmFtZT1zcF9hdGZfbmV4dCZhY3Rpb249Y2xpY2tSZWRpcmVjdCZkb05vdExvZ0NsaWNrPXRydWU=
I took a desktop one and connected it inside the sidecar - then I snake it to get it where I want and limit any flexing (stiffer like this then extended in one long straight).
I took a desktop one and connected it inside the sidecar - then I snake it to get it where I want and limit any flexing (stiffer like this then extended in one long straight).
Get a cool one like this that matches the bike for tech - and make your own base that plugs in to your outlet?
Get a cool one like this that matches the bike for tech - and make your own base that plugs in to your outlet?
Or see if one of these will grip the handle bar sufficiently - and if not - remove the alligator claw and make your own mount?
Or see if one of these will grip the handle bar sufficiently - and if not - remove the alligator claw and make your own mount?
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I like the GUB mount, going to have to go look at Stella. You could get a piece of 1" round stock, drill and tap a hole in it and use it for a mount.
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In the dirtbike/adventure bike world, the Hondo Garage "Perfect Squeez" is THE phone holder to beat. It's just about impossible to loose your phone...even when racing through the desert whoops.

https://shop-hondogarage.com/products/perfect-squeeze-phone-mount
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I like the GUB mount, going to have to go look at Stella. You could get a piece of 1" round stock, drill and tap a hole in it and use it for a mount.
I have a cheaper version of the same idea to play with. Has the same holder mechanism - but the arm and mount aren't nearly as nice.
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Haven't gotten around to updating this thread for a while. Happy to report that I have managed to finish the project! 2 years give or take? She's certified and legal.

Still lots more details to keep me busy... Been raining almost every day, but have been riding when able. Haven't sorted a cellphone mount. Haven't even plug chopped yet. But riding/running plenty well enough for me to cruise and gain experience/confidence. Hope to sort some form of camera and throw some video of a ride up at some stage. Not rushing as aware I need as few distractions as possible while learning.

But the sun was out today so I took some photos to share the 'finished' project...
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The modification certification plate...
The modification certification plate...
Was allowed to remove the cowl and mount it at the testing station.
Was allowed to remove the cowl and mount it at the testing station.
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Few more...
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Oh the symmetry of that guard! haha
Oh the symmetry of that guard! haha
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Looks fantastic, that front end looks amazingly tough.
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