I have not seen this specific problem on here before.
Advice?

I know alignment has been discussed a zillion times. My MP3 "walks or tracks" at slow speeds. Front end wanders or perhaps follows imperfections in pavement. From my formula ford days I have a hunch it's toe setting. Scoot has been dropped at least once.
I have not seen this specific problem on here before. Advice? ![]() |
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Chaiabusa wrote: 2009 15000 miles or so. Please explain "steering notch"? I had a notch on my BV500 and I can tell you it feels very strange. You may also have something else wrong; out of alignment as you said, or loose wheel bearing, loose steering linkage, etc.... |
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Great info! I'll check toe, camber and wheel bearings 1st. Just put tires on it didn't really check steering or wheel bearings while up on jack.
I recently had ankle surgery and am in a walking boot. My Hayabusa, Harley Road King, Kawasaki Vaquero and 954rr are all covered in dust already. The MP3 came out of storage yesterday and got a battery, a bath and tires. It and the Genuine Buddy 125 will be my Wind Therapy for the next 3 months. Thanks for the advice #noshifting! |
Forgive my ignorance as I'm late to the party. Is there a bearing kit available to do the steering? Looks like a fun job. I have nothing to do for at least 2 weeks before I go back to work. Sounds like I'll know this scooter much better than I ever wanted to by then.
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Chaiabusa wrote: Forgive my ignorance as I'm late to the party. Is there a bearing kit available to do the steering? Looks like a fun job. I have nothing to do for at least 2 weeks before I go back to work. Sounds like I'll know this scooter much better than I ever wanted to by then. 1. Gonzo tweak. Short term fix for notched bearings. MP3 - Short-term fix for "the notch" 2. New bearings. This will involve removing and bleeding both sets of front brakes, as well as both sets of tilt lock hydraulics. Big job; I think shops charge on the order of $1000 to do it. Shop and exploded parts manuals here: http://manuals.wotmeworry.org.uk/Piaggio%20MP3/ Site owner requests that if you use a manual here, download and save it locally so you don't have to go back for the same thing. Whichever way you go, get a grease bolt so you can fill the steer tubes up with grease. And I do mean FILL. This bolt is NOT intended to replace the one already there; it's a tool not a part. https://scooterpartsco.com/recambi-scooter/pontedera/piaggio-mp3-bolt-with-grease-fitting-020943y?zenid=08469408450761e48cf16e1f46da2792 |
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Madison Sully wrote: Chaiabusa wrote: Is there an aftermarket bearing kit for the steering neck or do I need to order own parts? here is some more info: notch bearing replacement How to remove the steering tapered bearings bearing part numbers KBC is 32008XJ. Timken is 32008XM 90KM1 BRG SKF is 32008 XTN9/Q bearing dust seal 32008 XAV NSK32008XTN9/Q This page has links and dimensions of the bearings, note that it also has some roller thrust bearings, you want tapered thrust bearings http://srg-bearings.com/NTN/NTN32008/ Note that all these bearings are marked 32008 which is a standard industry size bearing. |
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Ok, here's more of my ignorance showing. I have the bodywork stripped off my MP3. With the front on a jack I can literally feel it drop into the notch at center. I am assuming this is not normal. It feels like it has a hard stop at center. At low speeds it is almost unridable. It walks left and right up until about 20 mph.
To those that have played this game, was yours this way as well? I'm tempted to do the whole deal and replace the bearings probably top and bottom just because I'll be there already. Questions: do the hydraulic lines go out the bottom of the tubes? Is there a torque value for the spammer nuts on the steering stems? Can I use the aftermarket bearings and seals without buying anything from piaggio? Do I only need to bleed the brake calipers and the tilt mechanism at the two cylinders? What else am I missing? Thanks |
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Re: upper bearings
Chaiabusa wrote: are the upper and lower bearings different? I know the lowers are the culprit, but as long as I'm in there,,, Buy the spanner wrench from Piaggio to tighten the spanner nuts. Hydraulic fluid, get a 60-100 cc syringe with tubing and a Tee and push the brake fluid up from the solenoids to the master cylinder. Same for the brakes. |
Holy crap. Fixed!!!! Just did the quickie move the bearing fix. It took 10 minutes a side. As soon as I did left side the centered steering notch went away. Did right side. Greased the heck out of both sides with a grease gun and drilled bolt. Took it for a ride: completely different scooter.
Now just need to put all the plastic back on. Thank you to all of you for your help! New Bearings will go into storage for full replacement if notchiness comes back. |
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Chaiabusa wrote: Holy crap. Fixed!!!! Just did the quickie move the bearing fix. It took 10 minutes a side. As soon as I did left side the centered steering notch went away. Did right side. Greased the heck out of both sides with a grease gun and drilled bolt. Took it for a ride: completely different scooter. Now just need to put all the plastic back on. Thank you to all of you for your help! New Bearings will go into storage for full replacement if notchiness comes back. ![]() ![]() |
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Re: upper bearings
WEB-Tech wrote: Chaiabusa wrote: are the upper and lower bearings different? I know the lowers are the culprit, but as long as I'm in there,,, Buy the spanner wrench from Piaggio to tighten the spanner nuts. |
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Re: upper bearings
old as dirt wrote: WEB-Tech wrote: Chaiabusa wrote: are the upper and lower bearings different? I know the lowers are the culprit, but as long as I'm in there,,, Buy the spanner wrench from Piaggio to tighten the spanner nuts. |
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