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Dangerous results of road rage displayed by motorcycle rider and driver of the car


https://www.cnn.com/videos/us/2018/04/10/fl-car-rams-motorcycle-orig-vstan-bdk.cnn

he clearly tried to knock off his mirror, and guy swerved into him
whatever started it is irrelevant, they both look like got pissed off, guy tried to smash his mirror and got ran off road...at end of the day its stupidity by both of them.

What? My Driving? Did you say driving? I really can't tell what you are saying. No, I'm not another trucker, it's a Mazda. How many fingers am I holding up? Here, let me come over there so I can hear you better.
Hey, where'd you go?

I'm torn between wow, that's awful and shouldn't happen, and if you had to pick the one guy on the road who really had it coming....

Carma, brought to you today by Mazda.

Given that Florida is a Stand Your Ground State, and it could be argued that the man or woman in the car felt threatened, it's going to be interesting to see how this unfolds.

Couldn't be too hard to find the driver. You can see his license plate in the video.

The driver is either lawyering up or reporting a stolen car.

My biggest complaint about movies with chase scenes involving motorcycles is that I always wonder why the driver doesn't just do that. It seems to work pretty well.

Because the rider will jump off the bike onto the car, either rip open or make a new sunroof, then tear the drivers head off. Then jump clear, landing on a cafe seat next to a very impressed Miranda Kerr, and watches the car explode while the waiter serves a cold beer.

Well that's my idea of a Disney ending.

Watching road rage videos can help you understand the problem. It's a 50/50 chance that an incident was a mistake or lack of common courtesy. Road ragers ASS-U-ME the worst and do the worst.
Running a bike off the road is the same cowardice as when 10 people gang up on one person.

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stoopid games players win appropriate prizes.
I hope the rider didnt have grape soda and skittles in his hoodie.

The whole point of roadraging on a bike is to "stick & move"... you dont pace something that outweighs you 5 fold.

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OK I'm going to take a chance and leave this open for now. Please keep the discussion on the original topic and leave any politics or NRA talk out. If this goes south ban hammers may fall.

As to the subject of the OP. In my opinion getting into a road rage fight with another vehicle is always stupid and even more so in a bike vs car scenario. That said the driver of that car did attempt to kill the guy on the bike and unless there was something else not captured in the video there is nothing I can see where the driver would be able to claim self-defense.

The bike rider is too immature to be riding. Hope he hangs up his keys.
His son deserves an adult for a pop.
Wonder how Dutch or German police would deal with the rider's license.

O.S.

Look at the Video.
So you've got traffic in front of you and nowhere to go and some guy on a motorcycle is attacking your car and screaming at you.
Having ridden a lot, I suspect the driver has no idea what he or she did to engender this response. We don't know who was in the car, or what was said or done prior, but this isn't a case of someone deciding out of the blue to run a bike off the road.

Granted, we hardly have an objective picture of what each individual did leading up to this. What we do know / can see is that the driver took an action which had a substantial likelihood of killing the rider. Nothing the rider did, or was likely to do (no matter how stupid), would have a similar effect on the driver. In other words, the rider is guilty of negligence and major stupidity. The driver appears guilty of attempted homicide.

with his vehicle at that particular moment...

If the driver decided out of the blue to run someone off the road, you would be absolutely right, but even if the driver somehow managed to open the passenger window and do exactly what the rider did in return, there is a high probability that the rider would have fared worse than a person in a car.

The rider doesn't seem like someone who would have done this to a person who looked like they would stop the car and beat the heck out of him. He did this because he thought there would be no repercussions.

Remarkably few people have made a list of appropriate reasonable and measured responses to someone banging on my car and threatening me and I can't get away.

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In before the lock.

Road rage is an odd phenomenon, otherwise sane normal people become enraged and take actions that could kill someone. Motorcyclists tend to forget the laws of physics, we are so venerable on a bike and taking on a car it's just nuts. Let it go, I say and yell at them in your mind. The other person doesn't know who you are so whatever the traffic infraction is it's not personal and more importantly it's not worth someone's life...

The guy said he got brake checked. He ASS-U-MEd it was on purpose. He took offence. Do I have to explain everything I post?

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My guess he was sitting behind the car and revving his bike (I'm going to make a wild guess that it was a loud exhaust too), the car couldn't go faster cause he had a car in front of him, then the guy starts smacking his mirror telling him he ought to have pulled out the way because he's was more important. Then ...

It goes without saying that the driver completely overreacted but that's the risk you take.

My view:
The act of driving into a person riding on a PTW is vehicular assault.
If he had been seriously injured it would be GBH and if he died, it would be murder 2.

The driver INTENDED to cause damage, with foreseeable injury or even death as consequence.

It's abundantly clear that both of these drivers are asshats. They managed to appear at the same place in the space time continuum and engaged in their innate asshattery. Neither can be excused. Both should have to deal with the judicial system in some fashion -- not that it probably will do any good for either of them.

I will make no assumptions of who started the argument - as this seems like just the end of it. I will say that that like everyone else out riding, I get cut off, encroached on, etc... and it usually happens when the cager is on the phone, yelling at the kids in the back, daydreaming, well, you get the idea. It is not deliberate, it's just careless driving. When this happens , I back off and let it go. Not worth the confrontation. My son rides now and I put it to him this way: "you are a 400 pound nail, but the car is a 3,000 pound hammer. Guess who almost always wins?" Nuff said......

Is that what happens when a flat battery gets pissed off with jumper cables?

Driver Arrested

https://wsvn.com/news/local/driver-suspected-in-sarasota-hit-and-run-road-rage-crash-arrested-after-video-goes-viral/

"Medrano-Bonilla faces several charges, including aggravated battery and <b>operating a vehicle without a license.</b>"

Alrighty then. I love Florida. There is always something extra to our weirdness.

All else aside, if I was driving without a license I'd drive like a choirboy.

No doubt.

Really the only ones that "lost" here are the witness(es) and the rider. When this case goes to trial in a year or 2... both are going to be inconvenienced to testify and show up at court. That is if ICE doesnt come to swoop Mr Bonilla up in the process of MAGA...lol

What does ICE have to do with this?

Because of this important info that the Mainstream Media Source left out because it doesn't meet their agenda.
"Illegal immigrant living in Sarasota charged in road rage video case, sheriff says"

Putting this one to bed. I am sure there are plenty of other places to discuss where this thread is going but it ain't happening here.