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Currently. my motorcycle is in in Friendship Heights (in DC) but that's over a mile from where I leave. So, it can't start and it's stranded away from home.

Anyways.

It won't start and this video shows what it does. I've tried charging the battery, disconnecting and reconnecting the battery and letting it sit and trying the next day. This started when I foolishly left the keys in the ignition (but the engine wasn't on) for 3 hours.

What should I do? And what do you think is wrong?





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https://we.tl/5H0MErxIb3
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5 words: Time for a new battery.

It sounds like a dead cell. What's the voltage on the battery? Batteries don't like to be completely discharged.
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I dont have a tester.

Would that explain the beeping, though?

I'n a newbie. I assumed since charging didn't work, it was not battery related.

Please advise.
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nm88rtr wrote:
I dont have a tester.
Buy one today. $10 from Harbor freight if they're not been given away this week.
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1. Find a store that sells batteries. I use the local Batteries Plus store because they're close and the always have what I need in stock, but you may have something similar with a different name. Motorcycle dealers are another possibility. Call ahead to see if they have your battery.

2. Take the battery out of your scooter.

3. Have the store test it. If it's bad buy a new one.

4. Return to your scooter and replace the battery.

Good luck!
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I don't know about the beeping- that might just mean that the voltage is low or something. It's unhappy about something. But the anemic buzzing and clicking when you try and start it sounds like a classic weak battery scenario.
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Squeazel wrote:
Batteries don't like to be completely discharged.
If you mean the ignition was turned on for 3 hours then it probably did completely drain the battery and Squeazel is right. The battery may be shot no matter how much you charge it. If it was left with the keys in the ignition but was not turned on then that would have nothing to do with your problem. The video does seem to indicate a bad battery though.
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pull the battery and take it in to walmart, auto zone, pep boys, motorcycle shop, batteries plus and get a new one.
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just turned on and leaving for 3hrs cause the battery to flat?
the head lights are not on anyway,dun think battery will flat unless its really old n worn out.
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These days, it seems that batteries rarely last much longer than their warranty dates, but it doesn't take much to test them using just a voltmeter.
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Yeah, the tail light and the cyclops is on, as well as the fuel pump and sundry other electrical goodies. The tail light alone is 10 watt, the cyclops is 3 watt, which means that it's drawing at least an amp. If the battery is weak to begin with, it may not have more than 3 amp-hour capacity, so yeah, I could see leaving the key on for 3 hours draining the battery completely.
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Also, it is possible that when the ignition is on and the engine is not running, current can flow back through the generator coils, causing them to heat-up slightly.
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Taught2BeCautious wrote:
Also, it is possible that when the ignition is on and the engine is not running, current can flow back through the generator coils, causing them to heat-up slightly.
Too many diodes in the way in the regulator for that to happen.
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I just want to know if he got it sorted out.......
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fuel pump
The fuel pump should only run for a few until it's up to pressure. If the key is left on long enough the pump might run for a few seconds again if pressure bleeds down for some reason, but it won't run continuously.
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jimc wrote:
Taught2BeCautious wrote:
Also, it is possible that when the ignition is on and the engine is not running, current can flow back through the generator coils, causing them to heat-up slightly.
Too many diodes in the way in the regulator for that to happen.
Only one of the diodes needs to start breaking down for this to happen - and it happens quite often on Honda and Kawasaki Reg/Recs.
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Taught2BeCautious wrote:
jimc wrote:
Taught2BeCautious wrote:
Also, it is possible that when the ignition is on and the engine is not running, current can flow back through the generator coils, causing them to heat-up slightly.
Too many diodes in the way in the regulator for that to happen.
Only one of the diodes needs to start breaking down for this to happen - and it happens quite often on Honda and Kawasaki Reg/Recs.
In the Piaggio (Ducati) regulator, you'd have to have both a shorted series regulator transistor AND at least two shorted diodes in the first rectifying stage. Extremely unlikely.
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FrogmanDave


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I just want to know if he got it sorted out.......

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What was the fix??
my bet is on a new battery
please correct me if I am wrong.
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