Modern Vespa

im not trying i always go thru the TUF

Okay! You must have pretty good connections here. Wish you luck with TÜV.

making the radiator from the GP800 fit sorry no picture with the half a size mp3 its getting already to hot in the winter time

Sorry no pictures

update

Well done getting that radiator squeezed in.

I'd love to take that on a track day!

the 13 tyres where hitting the radiator so alter every thing again"
waiting on the 14"

front made

little update

Adjusting the cablharnes bought a secondhand on so i can lengthing some plugs so the ecu will fit in an other place
The GP800 had allmost everything in the front battery fuses relays and there is now a lock device

I'm looking forward to when it's finished and you get to test it out! I loved both my Fuoco and my GP800 - the combination will be very interesting!

finaly did some work again
Made a 14" front Rim

its a rear from a 2011 300 14" x 3.75

i'm going to Fit a 120/70/14 H tires on it

i think these

Pirelli Diablo Rosso Scooter
120/70 R14 TL 55 H

How's it going?
I have an MP3 500 and having just got used to it am looking for a bit more power.
I am tempted by a GP800, there are some going quite cheap. Reviews say a bit cumbersome, but looks fun, have you ridden one.
I rode this yesterday, 1000nm of torque and 80kw, made MP3 even with air box mod and 17g weights and washer seem a little slow.

Flipping eck , 5 of them on ebay whats happened! .When i was looking for one to replace the fuoco they were like hens teeth .I went off them when i saw that parts were scarce and what was on offer were very expensive.

What's happened is that the world has moved on. The Fuoco GP800/Aprilia SRV850 were little monsters when they were new, BUT they are maintenance whores and parts availability has always been the issue.

Probably even more so now in the current "supply chain issue" world.

I was seriously thinking about getting a Aprilia SRV850 back in the last days of production (around late 2017/early 2018) but even my local Aprilia dealership managed to talk me out of it

BS !!! parts are plenty available !!! new and secondhand
new parts i can get in 2 or 3 days

Well bought mine unseen shipped and all for 1950 euro's a year ago also got a secondhand engine for cheap for another project

Perhaps i should have also said in the UK parts are scarce and expensive.

So maybe I'm posting in the wrong place, but sounds like I'm in the company of others who feel the need, the need for speed.

I'm new to my (old) MP3 but am rapidly getting addicted.

I like the comfort and stability. I find the 3rd wheel reassuring as someone used to judging cornering on 4 wheels by when I feel one wheel start to slide I know I'm probably doing it right.

The problem is I want to go faster or at least accelerate faster. I don't want want to be tempted into triple figures routinely on a bike as I fear things can get rapidly terminally messy, if I want to do 170mph I'll do it with some metal around me.

But I want if possible to be relaxed cruising at 80mph stably without buffet and feel stable with a crosswind have power in reserve for overtaking, and I want to get there quickly, I'm used to driving cars that do 0-60 in about 4 seconds and would like a bike that is at least capable of doing it in 5-6 and can safely rapidly accelerate and brake to overtake a car at 60mph with one oncoming in sight in the middle distance but I don't want to get a mad sport bike that is utterly impractical for city commuting and will just incite me to kill myself or get jailed.

I think 80 hp and slightly larger front wheels as Maksor is planning would transform it and be spot on.

I'm tempted to look at a BMW c650gt or gp800 but don't want to give up the extra wheel security against crappy roads surfaces and manholes etc or a Honda nc750x or Africa twin but don't want to give up weather protection so I can wear jeans without over trousers in light rain.

Any suggestions. Or am I asking the impossible?

You're thinking the impossible.

If you want a faster bike, then you buy something other than a MP3. That is the same reason why I bought a near new Honda ST1300 since I was getting tired filling up every other day because my work commute covers 50% freeway.

The MP3 is basically a maxiscoot for the city.

Yamaha Nikken there is a kit to convert it to trike

Indeed, the problem is a commute into or round London, I ideally want a nimble preferably automatic machine in London that can squeeze through narrow gaps like a 17 year old courier that magically transforms into your ST1300 on the M25 so I can sit at 80-90mph calmly pouring a coffee and reading the paper (almost!) or have a bit of fun getting past the traffic.

I took my daughters down the A21 to the coast today for my mother's birthday and there was a big bank holiday motorbike rally with hundreds of bikes going both ways (the police here have obviously solved all other crimes as they were out in force).

I was stuck in traffic in the 612 as a variety of bikes (saw one MP3 among them) zipped by both ways making me very jealous. Had a bit of fun on the way back where at one point it seemed I was in the middle of a Moto GP pack and I was leaving most of them except the really serious sportbikes behind and making a better noise accelerating in the brief moments I could hit higher speeds but of course I had to be very careful of slower riders and people swarming past, which has only increased my desire for something faster but still practical with two or 3 wheels.

I reckon I can attach a 15kw motor to the rear spindle to gain slightly better city sprint times (and reverse) adding only about 10kg to the bike (but half of that unsprung and hanging behind the wheel pivot so not helping handling) which would be fun, but still not the relaxed motorway cruiser. I suspect nitrous would quickly lead to the death of my engine and not be so practical for routine use every light.

Tomorrow I'm off to Oxford for a meeting and am debating between MP3, 612 and Tesla. If I had a 1300ST I'd certainly take that so I get your point. I suspect if I had a GP800 I'd take that and maybe (if I don't worry about maintenance concerns and just hope to be lucky) that is the compromise weapon of choice?

I can't wait to see Maksor's Mp3 1000 hit the road.

Are you talking about making a Hybrid Mp3 with a 15kw electric motor in the rear hub and a gas engine with possible Nitrous boost? If you get such a hybrid MP3 working make sure to document the process and post it to youtube.

You're probably better served by Sbaert's advice and get a bike that is built for higher speeds. Something in the 500cc range should be plenty fast while remaining relatively compact and fun to ride while being allot less hassle to maintain. Top cases and panniers (saddle bags) can be removable to switch between commuting cargo and weekend fun runs.

Remember, riding any motorcycle (especially larger bikes) is inherently dangerous. Going for maximum "need for speed" on public roads is unwise due to the increased risks of road traffic and non-race ready roads. If you do get a bike, do the max-speed fun at the local track.

The ONLY game in town if you want more power, more speed AND 3 wheels is the Yamaha Niken or Niken GT.

That CP3 850cc triple motor from their Tracer9 is extremely addictive, and it even has a shift light. Imagine that.

Think of it as a grown up MP3 minus tilt lock and with bulletproof reliability out of the box. No quirks like headstock bearings that need greasing with every oil change, just to name one.

End of story. There is nothing else.

Sidenote: The main reason for my purchase of the Honda ST1300 was the fuel capacity. I get around 450km out of each 29Liter tank, which allows me to do a full week without refueling while with the MP3 I was refueling every other day. And ironically, the ST1300 beats the MP3 on fuel economy despite having about 3 times the displacement, 3 times the power and 4 times as many pistons. It was the only bike that has near the storage capacity of the MP3 (with optional 50Liter topbox). However, would I buy another one? Negative. I've been bitten by Honda's DCT gearbox (I've ridden 4 different models now with DCT) and that is the way of the future. If it wasn't for the high price, reduced fuel tank capacity and storage of the current gen Goldwing that would have been my primary choice. Just the reverse gear and forward crawl gear alone are winners in my book. And yes, I also checked out the Yamaha Niken.

The ST1300 was the only bike that ticked almost all the boxes while still in the attainable price category, although the new Honda NT1100 was my preferred choice but my ST1300 came up for sale just before the launch of the NT1100. So I'll live with the manual gearbox . . . for now.

Niken does look interesting for keeping the 3rd wheel security and decent performance.
But it's very wide, I think 50%wider than MP3, which makes it not great for nimbly squeezing through London traffic.
I too like Honda DCT and an NC750X with a bigger screen or an Africa Twin are very tempting. Crosstourer looks a bit heavy for through town.
For my use, for example the journey I'm about to do today (100 miles of mainly motorway with a bit of congestion -it's a bit grey, I'll take the Tesla today and be patient in the congestion, if I could comfortably do 85-90 with decent wind protection I'd take a bike, if it were a bit shorter journey or brighter day or more congested I might take the MP3 - that's what I want a bike that begs please take me today for this journey, Niken might) and then going into central London nipping through gaps and parking later in the week, I am thinking a GP800 or BMW C650GT might do just what I need reasonably for both cases.
I think I'm old enough now not to be silly with speed on a bike and I have no desire (well maybe some) to explore the top end speed of decent bikes, but I do crave the smile that comes from decent acceleration, hence my thinking of the hybrid mp3 as a compromise to get a bit more smile when I accelerate, if only it could be made to feel relaxed rather flat out at 80mph.
Maksor's monster MP3 would hit the spot.

WelL Piaggio dropped this a few years ago



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and a nikken isn't wider then a mp3 it looks only that way

So how is your mp3 1000 project coming along? I'm guessing complications and life have quagmired it in the way they mercilessly attack all my projects. It looks impressive so far.

just started again Covid did cost me 45k euro on income a year

After 2 years sales are finaly going up again and i was one of the lucky one's that did have a fulltime job beside my shop

i've to finish the airbox then i've to make covers for the footrest legshield and central cover

It runs and drives

You're way off, the Niken is only about 12cm or about 5" wider than the MP3.

Heck, I even do filtering between lorries with the ST1300 and full panniers in place which is a much bigger bike. It all depends on how well you know your vehicle in the same manner as parking a car.

https://cdn2.yamaha-motor.eu/prod/product-assets/2019/LMWTRDX/Factsheets/2019-LMWTRDX_en-GB.pdf

I saw a review that said it was 42" wide.
But maybe it is just at the handlebars.
MP3 is wide enough.

Problem in London is ironically with the two front wheels, often there's a gap up the side of stationary traffic with a kerb so an ordinary scooter can fit through but a bit of a challenge for me on MP3, wouldn't want wider.

That btw was my other impossible demand for the mix, ideally I'd like the bike to be razor thin and nimble.

In heavy traffic in London I am faster on my electric mountain bike as I can get through gaps more easily.

So I want razor thin and lightweight for fitting through gaps, yet suitably faired to protect my legs from spray so I can wear jeans not bother with over trousers in light drizzle and not look like I've peed myself, 3rd wheel that pops out when going round wet corners on bad surfaces, 0-60 in about 4-5 seconds, excellent wind and rain protection and stable (generally =>weight) for cruising at relaxed 90mph, storage for spare helmet and laptop etc.

I'm sure when I was a kid they had the sort of thing I want which did all that on one of these. Just can't find them on eBay.

Re the third wheel it was a big selling point for me but am curious how much the theory and practice coincide, have people actually dropped a bike where they are confident the third wheel would have saved them (front wheel going over wet metal/paint/tar an obvious candidate) or being in a situation on an MP3 where they think it would really have gone badly on something else. I'm now not sure if one bigger wheel with generally greater stability at speed and taking bumps a bit better wouldn't offset some of the advantages.

I'm not planning to do track days (having left a track backwards at 80mph in a DB7 and carried on unscathed exactly where I had seen a few others lose it, I don't feel a burning need to push the boundaries on a bike) or explore wet cornering limits.

My other limitation is my current wife, we have several cars parked outside, she grumbles about the MP3, getting a second motorcycle for different purposes may become a disproportionately expensive option, so ideally I'd have one bike for all plus I often do motorway and heavy city traffic together. Although I might just try to keep the mp3 and do my hybrid project on it if I get something else.

A friend who spent several years touring far flung parts of the globe on a BMW motorbike says the best bike for wet windy British roads is his car.

You can't have it all. 3 wheels, razor thin, lightweight, touring capable and creature comforts is asking for the moon.

You have to prioritize. If it is pure performance and lightweight, then you need a naked bike. If it is weather protection and 3 wheels, you need to sacrifice looks and dimensions and go for the fat lady.

I know I can't have it all. Was speaking to someone on Tuesday who has a VFR 800 says it's pretty good for both traffic and motorway. Which somehow got me thinking maybe a cbr1100xx is exactly what I need as the clear logical next step from an MP3. It isn't quite the nimble practical city bike.
The problem is I start with sensible safe, practical as needs then fast and fun and sexy temptation appears. I'll refrain from making an obvious sexist analogy.

Maksor do you have pics on the road?

Try the new Honda Forza750. I think it will tick most of your boxes including the best iteration of DCT to date yet.

Small, light, flickable, good weather protection, beats the snot out of a Yamaha T-Max. Just no 3 wheels

My R1100S Beemer is going to be down for a while while several things are getting renewed. So I did get a NC750X and *love* it. Pretty cheap. Tons of fun and eminently practical for weekend escapades - quite a bit of storage (not as much as the MP3 500). And the DCT is pretty awesome.

Haven't checked out the Forze750, I don't think it's made it to the USA?

How was the nc750x for wind/comfort at speed? I'm seriously looking at one but from what I can tell they're not happy much above 80mph.
I'm thinking a bmw c650gt might be a sensible step up with weather protection, gp800 more fun if I am willing to chance reliability and I can't help gravitating to a blackbird which is silly but will be so much more fun on motorway, while I have my licence.

The Forza750 is based on the NC750 platform but with much better protection from the elements plus full color screen, keyless ignition, the newest version of DCT, etc, etc, etc.

The only thing with any of the NC based bikes (NC750, Forza750, X-ADV750, etc) is the lack of internal storage. Even my Schuberth C3 Pro does not fit underneath the saddle on the Forza750 which has the largest underseat storage. A top box is mandatory, and side panniers are highly recommended.

Also high recommended are the side deflectors sold as Honda accessories to keep the wind and rain away. They are inexpensive.

Did think about that, there are some integras (what they called the Forza before, same as very boring car) going for about £5k. Lack of storage an issue.
I am almost going full circle to the original subject of this thread and buying a GP800 for just under £3k and then gambling that the money I save compared to a BMW c650 or Forza will pay for the maintenance while I smile at the power.
Presumably Maksor reckons it can be made to run reliably despite all the horror stories or he wouldn't have picked on as a base.

maintenance, maintenance and maintenance and no problem

So buy it wisely

BMW C600 and C650 are not even made by BMW. They are made by Kymco.

However, once they get the German badge they do become Broken Most Weekdays machines if you have to rely on the dealer for servicing needs. Some things can only be done by the dealer, even simplistic jobs such as replacement of the brake fluid because it requires the BMW computer.

But if you frown upon Asian brands, as evidenced in your comment about the Integra one of the best Honda cars ever made, then by all means go for the BMW scoot. It'll be the least maintenance heavy of any BMW.

Between the different models of the C series, my pick would then go for the C650GT with blind spot assist. And only pick one that has every single option in the book.

Finding a GP800 or SRV850 that hasn't been ragged out or thrashed is going to be tricky considering the nature of the bike and the target audience. Just look at how the French treat the Yamaha T-Max, a bike that is 100 times more durable.

Also wouldn't hurt to get a insurance quote before purchasing any bike, especially anything sporty as insurance companies are not dumb either. The T-Max is the most stolen bike in France and the insurance rates reflect that.

It does well over 110mph - and pretty quickly too. It is pretty good off the line. I haven't gotten it to top speed in California. But it can do 90mph all day long, easy. Even more probably. I did a good stretch following a car at 100mph on I5 in California for over 30 miles. Then I saw a CHP car in the distance, and a few miles later I passed the car I was following on the side of the road... stopped by the CHP.

There are aftermarket bigger screens and wind deflectors (Honda sells the latter too).

So, I very nearly bought a CBR1100xx, I very nearly bought a VFR800 but he sold to someone else after agreeing price, I very nearly bought a GP800 but maintenance scared me (seller having serviced for rough running), and then I just went and bought a 2016 NC750X.
Sensible choice, Hope I don't hanker for more power.
Just rode MP3 home from football in the dark and someone was hanging on my tail, don't like going much above 60/70 on dark windy poorly surfaced roads where I can't see so well. I tried to tell myself ride your ride and he can wait. But if I had a blackbird, a momentary flick of the wrist and he'd be a safe distance behind.
Getting 750 in a few weeks, let's see how it does. Think I can get it remapped for a whole 6hp more and slightly higher rev limit.