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"The U.S. will also miss out on the new 350."

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"The U.S. will also miss out on the new 350."

Ah Crap.
Yes, but we've got the BV350 and it's a beast. Same engine. I'm constantly amazed at the power the 330cc engine delivers. About 10 more horsepower than the Yamaha SR400!

I'm still not compelled by three wheelers, but I'm happy to learn Piaggo is still going forward with new models/developments for the MP3 line.

France buys 60% of all MP3's sold globally. Interesting!
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"The U.S. will also miss out on the new 350."

Ah Crap.
Yes, but we've got the BV350 and it's a beast. Same engine. I'm constantly amazed at the power the 330cc engine delivers. About 10 more horsepower than the Yamaha SR400!
But about 10hp less and more than 30lbs. heavier than a Yamaha R3 (321cc). Slightly more torque though.
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"The U.S. will also miss out on the new 350."
This is actually a bit of a surprise to me. Piaggio does not currently sell any other bikes with the 500 engine in the US, while they do offer another better selling bike in the US with the 350 engine. You'd think that would be an argument in favor of importing the 350 MP3.

Now, I do notice the article also refers to a modified/"new" 493cc 500 engine. It would be interesting to hear how the 500 engine has been modified and whether that addresses the couple of persistent problems that have occurred with the bigger engine.
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What are these persistent problems you mention?
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I notice they talk about the 350 having a mulitplate wet clutch as a first. Well, that's old news isn't it. The 350 has had that for years.

I think the new 493cc engine may have a modified piston and rings to cure the oil usage issue thta some bikes in the States have. When the earlier Burgman 400's came out in 2007 they had a similar issue but this was cured two years later with a new piston and wider top piston ring. This prevented 'flutter' at high rpm, preventing oil use.
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What are these persistent problems you mention?
The most consistent seems to be oil blow-by. There have also been some piston related issues. Look at the discussion threads in the MP3 Forum.
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What are these persistent problems you mention?
The most consistent seems to be oil blow-by. There have also been some piston related issues. Look at the discussion threads in the MP3 Forum.
Thanks, I'll check it out. Never know when I might end up with a MP3.
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I've had lust for an MP3 for years, ever since I got the scooter itch. Hopefully I can continue to resit the urge. I mean, I don't need an MP3. But they sure are interesting machines.
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Thanks for posting this. I liked my first two MP3s and would never rule out getting another one. I would like to see a major redesign to reduce weight though.
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I've been riding MP3s for eleven years now. My 2008 400 is considered by many to be the best all-rounder, so I don't feel the need to replace it at long as it's working well.

There are things I like about the newer models, such as more power, and that, well, they're new. I thought the adjustable windscreen was a good idea and it worked well. I like the looks of the seat and under seat storage, though the seat is so long that an added top box would hang way out in back.

What I really, really don't like is the foot brake, that seemingly only exists so that riders in some countries can ride with just a car license. It would totally get in the way of my foot and make for a very uncomfortable riding position. I would have to find some way to remove it.
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Vintage1 wrote:
"The U.S. will also miss out on the new 350."

Ah Crap.
Yes, but we've got the BV350 and it's a beast. Same engine. I'm constantly amazed at the power the 330cc engine delivers. About 10 more horsepower than the Yamaha SR400!
But about 10hp less and more than 30lbs. heavier than a Yamaha R3 (321cc). Slightly more torque though.
You're comparing a Scooter to a YZ?
Bet the BV350 won't be far behind in the twistiest and a lot more for the rest of the time and much more comfortable.
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What are these persistent problems you mention?
Broken pistons and oil usage.
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"The U.S. will also miss out on the new 350."

Ah Crap.
Yes, but we've got the BV350 and it's a beast. Same engine. I'm constantly amazed at the power the 330cc engine delivers. About 10 more horsepower than the Yamaha SR400!
But about 10hp less and more than 30lbs. heavier than a Yamaha R3 (321cc). Slightly more torque though.
You're comparing a Scooter to a YZ?
Bet the BV350 won't be far behind in the twistiest and a lot more for the rest of the time and much more comfortable.
To be fair, YZF-R3, not YZ (off-road). JP made the BV vs. SR400 power comparison, so I simply stated the other (still tame) end of the spectrum regarding power and weight. My son has a YZF-R3, and I'd take that bet. It has a very upright seating position and the foot controls are very neutral and hardly rearset. I could ride it all day long and be perfectly comfortable. Yet it has no problem keeping up with my Superleggera (lighter than a BV and 190hp more) in the super twisty sections of the Santa Monica mountains/canyons). I seriously doubt the BV could hang without a very, very advanced rider on board. Not trying to be argumentative, but a BV was never meant to be ridden that way. I have no doubt it's a fast scoot, but it's a bit out of it's league against a sportbike.
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What are these persistent problems you mention?
Broken pistons and oil usage.
Thanks, does Piaggio/aftermarket have a fix for this? Or it advisable to stay away from the older MP3 500's?
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What are these persistent problems you mention?
Broken pistons and oil usage.
Thanks, does Piaggio/aftermarket have a fix for this? Or it advisable to stay away from the older MP3 500's?
Depends on who you hear back from.
I have a fair pile of miles on my MP3 500 and have not had problems.
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Broken pistons and oil usage.
Thanks, does Piaggio/aftermarket have a fix for this? Or it advisable to stay away from the older MP3 500's?
Depends on who you hear back from.
I have a fair pile of miles on my MP3 500 and have not had problems.
Thank you for your feedback. I don't see many MP3's in my neck of the woods. I have spoken to several owners of the 500's, and this is the first I've ever heard of this. I usually just hear of how much they love their ride.
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