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I really dislike the whole fueling situation on my new 2018 LIBERTY150i i-Get 3V scooter. It is actually the ONLY fault I can find with this scooter after one year of ownership.
The fill neck does not permit sighting the fuel level as the gas goes in - and the plastic gas gap on the plastic neck is not a nice secure metal-to-metal fit....it is too easily cross-threaded and/or quickly becomes too tight for one handed removal.

I've looked at the threads of both - nothing the matter except the design. Of the 4 scooters & 5 motorcycles I have owned - this gas cap is the worst.


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Nice scooter, otherwise...

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The narrow fuel necks are a result of trying to reduce hydrocarbon emissions when refilling the tank. My old P200e had a filler neck the size of a 12oz can. Easy to see into. The narrow necks also prevent you from filling your tank with leaded fuel. The leaded fuel pumps have a larger size fill pipe that won't fit in the neck.

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If that's the ONLY thing you can gripe about after a year's ownership, consider that a win and go have an adult beverage and be happy.

My Honda CR-V that I just bought doesn't even use a gas cap. So be careful with your next car purchase or it might drive you over the edge!
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My Honda CR-V that I just bought doesn't even use a gas cap.
Please explain, I don't follow new cars anymore.
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Vintage1 wrote:
My Honda CR-V that I just bought doesn't even use a gas cap.
Please explain, I don't follow new cars anymore.
If it's like my Ford Escape there is a flapper door that you push the fuel nozzle through. When you remove the fuel nozzle, this little flap springs shut, sealing the tank.

Ford calls it 'easy fuel', but as I understand it, it's prone to problems over time due to dirt buildup allowing an air leak (and the MIL lighting up).

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WEB-Tech wrote:
Vintage1 wrote:
My Honda CR-V that I just bought doesn't even use a gas cap.
Please explain, I don't follow new cars anymore.
If it's like my Ford Escape there is a flapper door that you push the fuel nozzle through. When you remove the fuel nozzle, this little flap springs shut, sealing the tank.

Ford calls it 'easy fuel', but as I understand it, it's prone to problems over time due to dirt buildup allowing an air leak (and the MIL lighting up).

How lazy are we going to get?

Yet another example of the devolution of industrial design... right up there with the electric can opener and battery-operated salt and pepper grinders.

I guess it's a misplaced solution to the perceived 21st-century non-problem of needing to put away one's cellphone in order to manipulate both a gas cap and the pump nozzle.

Makes me even more proud to be a grouchy old Luddite.
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Next thing they gonna have automatic butt wipers when you take a dump. To dam many smart ass over educated high ass pay people that ain't got no common sense anymore. Not that fond of the fuel cap either. Have one of them capless piece of shit on my Ram but got me a cap to put over it after I fill it with diesel. Wife has capless on her CRV but the way it close's and the part they have on the fuel door I would say no dirt or water can get in there.
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My Ford 2015 F-150 has the easy fill and it's easy and it works just fine.
FYI, they come with a funnel so emergency gas can be poured in.
A metal to metal gas filler is old school.
For a far "better" rant change the subject to gas cans that are lawyered up or lots of other stuff like no driver education programs these days or drivers who are playing war games behind the wheel or texting or talking on hand held phones while driving or what's ya got? Laughing emoticon
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We don't need to put away our cell phone in order to pump our gas because you're not allowed to pump your own gas in Joisey.
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Next thing they gonna have automatic butt wipers when you take a dump. To dam many smart ass over educated high ass pay people that ain't got no common sense anymore. Not that fond of the fuel cap either. Have one of them capless piece of shit on my Ram but got me a cap to put over it after I fill it with diesel. Wife has capless on her CRV but the way it close's and the part they have on the fuel door I would say no dirt or water can get in there.
They already make them

https://washlet.totousa.com/product/g400

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For a far "better" rant change the subject to gas cans that are lawyered up or lots of other stuff like no driver education programs these days or drivers who are playing war games behind the wheel or texting or talking on hand held phones while driving or what's ya got? Laughing emoticon
Oh, I agree completely... just jumped onto the rant topic that presented itself. Laughing emoticon

As a cranky old retired engineer, one of my pet peeves is over-application of engineering to "solve" perceived (but really non-existant) problems using less-reliable technology.
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Next thing they gonna have automatic butt wipers when you take a dump. To dam many smart ass over educated high ass pay people that ain't got no common sense anymore. Not that fond of the fuel cap either. Have one of them capless piece of shit on my Ram but got me a cap to put over it after I fill it with diesel. Wife has capless on her CRV but the way it close's and the part they have on the fuel door I would say no dirt or water can get in there.
They already make them

https://washlet.totousa.com/product/g400

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Seriously, though, the gas cap on my MP3 is hard to tighten and way too easily cross-threaded.
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https://goo.gl/VdXw78
I'd rather shit in the woods and find some leaves lol
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I'm ambivalent. Honestly it doesn't bother me. 65-75 miles a gallon makes it bother me even less I guess.
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https://goo.gl/VdXw78
Thank you. You've made my case beautifully!
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We don't need to put away our cell phone in order to pump our gas because you're not allowed to pump your own gas in Joisey.
I remember fueling in NJ and the attendants had those weird belts on that were part of that law.
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For a far "better" rant change the subject to gas cans that are lawyered up or lots of other stuff like no driver education programs these days or drivers who are playing war games behind the wheel or texting or talking on hand held phones while driving or what's ya got? Laughing emoticon
Oh, I agree completely... just jumped onto the rant topic that presented itself. Laughing emoticon

As a cranky old retired engineer, one of my pet peeves is over-application of engineering to "solve" perceived (but really non-existant) problems using less-reliable technology.
I was waiting in FL to buy fuel a few years back and this lady in front was taking forever to fill up. I'm patient enough but she seemed to be going for a Guiness record? I nicely asked her what the purpose was for her world record slow fill? She replied, " an engineer I work with told me that my MPG will go up by filling slowly as it oxygenates the gasoline".
All 3 of our sons are engineers- I love to kid them, just as we did on the job when I was in skilled trades working with and around them.
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Re: anyone else hate the plastic gas caps?
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I really dislike the whole fueling situation on my new 2018 LIBERTY150i i-Get 3V scooter. It is actually the ONLY fault I can find with this scooter after one year of ownership.
The fill neck does not permit sighting the fuel level as the gas goes in - and the plastic gas gap on the plastic neck is not a nice secure metal-to-metal fit....it is too easily cross-threaded and/or quickly becomes too tight for one handed removal.

I've looked at the threads of both - nothing the matter except the design. Of the 4 scooters & 5 motorcycles I have owned - this gas cap is the worst.


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Stig, on the cap threads apply a very thin coat of Vaseline. I mean thin. Not a greasy mess, but faintly noticeable (thin film). Work the cap on and off a few times and it should improve the matchup.
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Madison Sully wrote:
WEB-Tech wrote:
Vintage1 wrote:
My Honda CR-V that I just bought doesn't even use a gas cap.
Please explain, I don't follow new cars anymore.
If it's like my Ford Escape there is a flapper door that you push the fuel nozzle through. When you remove the fuel nozzle, this little flap springs shut, sealing the tank.

Ford calls it 'easy fuel', but as I understand it, it's prone to problems over time due to dirt buildup allowing an air leak (and the MIL lighting up).

How lazy are we going to get?

Yet another example of the devolution of industrial design... right up there with the electric can opener and battery-operated salt and pepper grinders.

I guess it's a misplaced solution to the perceived 21st-century non-problem of needing to put away one's cellphone in order to manipulate both a gas cap and the pump nozzle.

Makes me even more proud to be a grouchy old Luddite.
It's from people not tightening their gas caps tight enough and causing the Check Engine Light to come on that started this I bet.
And just the laziness of people.
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I was waiting in FL to buy fuel a few years back and this lady in front was taking forever to fill up. I'm patient enough but she seemed to be going for a Guiness record? I nicely asked her what the purpose was for her world record slow fill? She replied, " an engineer I work with told me that my MPG will go up by filling slowly as it oxygenates the gasoline".
All 3 of our sons are engineers- I love to kid them, just as we did on the job when I was in skilled trades working with and around them.
Sounds about like advice some people who know everything about everything give here on MV.
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Vintage1 wrote:
My Honda CR-V that I just bought doesn't even use a gas cap.
Please explain, I don't follow new cars anymore.
This interests me as well: Le Wife's Honda CR-V (2013) has the classic ratcheted gas cap under the open-from-the dash flap, so I'll assume Vintage1's Honda is a much later model. (You bought new, V1?)

Getting back to the OP's issue: all I know of is the cap/filler setup on my GTS, and I've had no problem with it at all. My main problem has to do with dealing with unfamiliar gas stations: my regular fill-up spot is Costco in Ocean Township, which is a top-notch joint, with pumps that stop filling when they're supposed to, meaning no more than a few stray drops of gas here and there. For various reasons having to do with time and location (more on this in another thread), I found myself having to fill at a BP in Allenhurst with a checkered past (some months ago they had water contamination in their underground tanks - revenge of Deepwater Horizon? - that led to numerous cars suffering engine damage), and, in a fit of desperation, an Exxon at a particularly notorious traffic circle near Asbury. The fill-up at the BP was actually uneventful, while the Exxon fill-up was a tad sloppy, but not a disaster. (BTW, even though I've gone over this before: even though you're technically not allowed to pump your own gas, if you're filling up a PTW, the attendant simply takes and swipes your card, punches in your desired blend, then hands you the nozzle to to the actual filling.)
Yes, you CAN pump your own in Joisey...sorta. (Yes, this was a few months ago; pricier now.)
Yes, you CAN pump your own in Joisey...sorta. (Yes, this was a few months ago; pricier now.)
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Why not just buy a metal gas cap then? I believe all Piaggio fuel caps are interchangeable but obviously you'd need to check that. There are tonnes of different styles from anodised aluminium to CNC pieces of art. Quite a few have fancy graphics on them also. The Vespa 946 cap looks quite nice also and should fit as well.
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Kantuckid wrote:
I was waiting in FL to buy fuel a few years back and this lady in front was taking forever to fill up. I'm patient enough but she seemed to be going for a Guiness record? I nicely asked her what the purpose was for her world record slow fill? She replied, " an engineer I work with told me that my MPG will go up by filling slowly as it oxygenates the gasoline".
All 3 of our sons are engineers- I love to kid them, just as we did on the job when I was in skilled trades working with and around them.
Sounds about like advice some people who know everything about everything give here on MV.
You don't find the story cute? or is there another meaning herein?
Honestly, the thread topic begs for something not found in plastic gas cap concerns?
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Kantuckid wrote:
Vintage1 wrote:
Kantuckid wrote:
I was waiting in FL to buy fuel a few years back and this lady in front was taking forever to fill up. I'm patient enough but she seemed to be going for a Guiness record? I nicely asked her what the purpose was for her world record slow fill? She replied, " an engineer I work with told me that my MPG will go up by filling slowly as it oxygenates the gasoline".
All 3 of our sons are engineers- I love to kid them, just as we did on the job when I was in skilled trades working with and around them.
Sounds about like advice some people who know everything about everything give here on MV.
You don't find the story cute? or is there another meaning herein?
Honestly, the thread topic begs for something not found in plastic gas cap concerns?
Are we maybe feeling a bit defensive?
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Vintage1 wrote:
My Honda CR-V that I just bought doesn't even use a gas cap.
Please explain, I don't follow new cars anymore.
This interests me as well: Le Wife's Honda CR-V (2013) has the classic ratcheted gas cap under the open-from-the dash flap, so I'll assume Vintage1's Honda is a much later model. (You bought new, V1?)

Getting back to the OP's issue: all I know of is the cap/filler setup on my GTS, and I've had no problem with it at all. My main problem has to do with dealing with unfamiliar gas stations: my regular fill-up spot is Costco in Ocean Township, which is a top-notch joint, with pumps that stop filling when they're supposed to, meaning no more than a few stray drops of gas here and there. For various reasons having to do with time and location (more on this in another thread), I found myself having to fill at a BP in Allenhurst with a checkered past (some months ago they had water contamination in their underground tanks - revenge of Deepwater Horizon? - that led to numerous cars suffering engine damage), and, in a fit of desperation, an Exxon at a particularly notorious traffic circle near Asbury. The fill-up at the BP was actually uneventful, while the Exxon fill-up was a tad sloppy, but not a disaster. (BTW, even though I've gone over this before: even though you're technically not allowed to pump your own gas, if you're filling up a PTW, the attendant simply takes and swipes your card, punches in your desired blend, then hands you the nozzle to to the actual filling.)
Hi. Yes, I bought a new 2018.

And I know we 'can' pump our own gas, I said we are 'not allowed to'. Razz emoticon

It's funny how some stations are strict about not wanting you to pump your gas, but when we pull in with a motorcycle or scooter, they back off and WANT YOU to pump your own.

*Explanation for those not from "The Garden State"... New Jersey is the last remaining state that actually has a law that prohibits a driver from pumping their own gas.
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Kantuckid wrote:
Vintage1 wrote:
Kantuckid wrote:
I was waiting in FL to buy fuel a few years back and this lady in front was taking forever to fill up. I'm patient enough but she seemed to be going for a Guiness record? I nicely asked her what the purpose was for her world record slow fill? She replied, " an engineer I work with told me that my MPG will go up by filling slowly as it oxygenates the gasoline".
All 3 of our sons are engineers- I love to kid them, just as we did on the job when I was in skilled trades working with and around them.
Sounds about like advice some people who know everything about everything give here on MV.
You don't find the story cute? or is there another meaning herein?
Honestly, the thread topic begs for something not found in plastic gas cap concerns?
Are we maybe feeling a bit defensive?
No but a question for a question leaves one hanging. I play nice.
I already stuck up for myself earlier.
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My comment wasn't about you posting that story, it was about the B.S. reasoning the elderly woman in your story gave for taking forever to gas up. I was making a flip comment about her comment and comparing it to some comments occasionally posted here that sometimes leave you scratching your head trying to figure out how that posting helped along the discussion of the time.

Sorry if you took what I typed personally. We're certainly good.
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WEB-Tech wrote:
Vintage1 wrote:
My Honda CR-V that I just bought doesn't even use a gas cap.
Please explain, I don't follow new cars anymore.
This interests me as well: Le Wife's Honda CR-V (2013) has the classic ratcheted gas cap under the open-from-the dash flap, so I'll assume Vintage1's Honda is a much later model. (You bought new, V1?)

Getting back to the OP's issue: all I know of is the cap/filler setup on my GTS, and I've had no problem with it at all. My main problem has to do with dealing with unfamiliar gas stations: my regular fill-up spot is Costco in Ocean Township, which is a top-notch joint, with pumps that stop filling when they're supposed to, meaning no more than a few stray drops of gas here and there. For various reasons having to do with time and location (more on this in another thread), I found myself having to fill at a BP in Allenhurst with a checkered past (some months ago they had water contamination in their underground tanks - revenge of Deepwater Horizon? - that led to numerous cars suffering engine damage), and, in a fit of desperation, an Exxon at a particularly notorious traffic circle near Asbury. The fill-up at the BP was actually uneventful, while the Exxon fill-up was a tad sloppy, but not a disaster. (BTW, even though I've gone over this before: even though you're technically not allowed to pump your own gas, if you're filling up a PTW, the attendant simply takes and swipes your card, punches in your desired blend, then hands you the nozzle to to the actual filling.)
93 Octane for $2.45/gal (I'm looking at the pump in your photo)? Crying or Very sad emoticon I can't even get 93 Octane around here (91 is the best they sell). My car needs 93 or it starts retarding the timing and performance is significantly reduced. I end up buying 2.5 gallons of 100 Octane race fuel (10 miles out of my way to get it) and blending it with 11 or 12 gallons of 91 to get a mix that is ~93. The 100 Octane race fuel costs me $8.50/gal Crying or Very sad emoticon My 14 gallon fill ups end up costing me about $50.

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My comment wasn't about you posting that story, it was about the B.S. reasoning the elderly woman in your story gave for taking forever to gas up. I was making a flip comment about her comment and comparing it to some comments occasionally posted here that sometimes leave you scratching your head trying to figure out how that posting helped along the discussion of the time.

Sorry if you took what I typed personally. We're certainly good.
I'm good. That's the problem with web conversations, they lack the reality of face to face. Important but missing. Thanks for the heads up, Mike
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I have a Zeloni gas cap on Leo the LX 150.
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I have a Zeloni gas cap on Leo the LX 150.
How many MPH did you gain? Laughing emoticon
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Re: anyone else hate the plastic gas caps?
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I really dislike the whole fueling situation on my new 2018 LIBERTY150i i-Get 3V scooter. It is actually the ONLY fault I can find with this scooter after one year of ownership.
The fill neck does not permit sighting the fuel level as the gas goes in - and the plastic gas gap on the plastic neck is not a nice secure metal-to-metal fit....it is too easily cross-threaded and/or quickly becomes too tight for one handed removal.

I've looked at the threads of both - nothing the matter except the design. Of the 4 scooters & 5 motorcycles I have owned - this gas cap is the worst.


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Nice scooter, otherwise...

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Stig, on the cap threads apply a very thin coat of Vaseline. I mean thin. Not a greasy mess, but faintly noticeable (thin film). Work the cap on and off a few times and it should improve the matchup.
Thanks, I tried that. Crisco works a little better - but nothing really works too well. I think the cap and neck are not close enough in size.
Not a big issue - just hate every fill up time - and at 1.6 gal. that is nearly every day!
The fill neck burping out fuel is when I know it is nearly full.....no matter how slow I try to add fuel always some on the concrete below me as I ride off. That's better for the environment?
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My Honda CR-V that I just bought doesn't even use a gas cap.
Please explain, I don't follow new cars anymore.
If it's like my Ford Escape there is a flapper door that you push the fuel nozzle through. When you remove the fuel nozzle, this little flap springs shut, sealing the tank.

Ford calls it 'easy fuel', but as I understand it, it's prone to problems over time due to dirt buildup allowing an air leak (and the MIL lighting up).

How lazy are we going to get?

Yet another example of the devolution of industrial design... right up there with the electric can opener and battery-operated salt and pepper grinders.

I guess it's a misplaced solution to the perceived 21st-century non-problem of needing to put away one's cellphone in order to manipulate both a gas cap and the pump nozzle.

Makes me even more proud to be a grouchy old Luddite.
It's from people not tightening their gas caps tight enough and causing the Check Engine Light to come on that started this I bet.
And just the laziness of people.
Maybe the gas jockeys that forget to put the cap on at all also contributed to it.

This thread gets me thinking about NJ's state car inspection. The only things the inspection covers are your paperwork, your OBD/check engine light, and your gas cap. They take your cap and screw it onto some suction device and your cap either passes or fails.

The inspection system is a joke. It used to be a thorough exam. I believe the only reason they retained these bits is simply because a friend of the governor's got the $500 MILLION original contract. (true fact)
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As if there's more that really needs to be said on plastic gas caps:

OP-----here ya go---->>>>>Our Kawasaki Mule UTV has a cantankerous plastic gas cap! It seems designed to make one think they are fumble fingered and often takes several tries to get the threads right. I went so far as to get pissed at it and cut the dangle thingy so it was easier to play with. It is larger than a scooter fill cap, say ~ 2 1/4" DIA. My Vespa fill cap is easy on 1st time, every time.

As for Crisco- FWIW, I once heard an ad w/Lorreta Lynn (my wife's from the same spot) saying she uses it for her pies, so it must be good? As a lube, come on? Wha? emoticon
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I have a Zeloni gas cap on Leo the LX 150.
That darn thing is over $50!!
ZELIONI.
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judy wrote:
I have a Zeloni gas cap on Leo the LX 150.
That darn thing is over $50!!
ZELIONI.
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and it isn't even visible?
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OldSchooot wrote:
judy wrote:
I have a Zeloni gas cap on Leo the LX 150.
That darn thing is over $50!!
ZELIONI.
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and it isn't even visible?
But you chaps spend less than 2 Dollars on gallon of petrol. I filled my car up the other day and it cost £70 and it wasn't even empty! £1.39 a litre. That's £6.33 a gallon. Admittedly I filled up with Shell V-Power Diesel which is more expensive. Petrol is around £1.25 in the UK. Buy a nice petrol cap guys, you know you'll love it when it arrives!
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OldSchooot wrote:
judy wrote:
I have a Zeloni gas cap on Leo the LX 150.
That darn thing is over $50!!
ZELIONI.
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and it isn't even visible?
I'm on the look-out for a large cork . It must, or course, be from an Italian wine....so as not to lose points at "Skeeter's Live Bait & Coffee" Concours d'Elegance this winter.

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