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Well lookee there, you do claim to own a Vespa. OK go out and measure the gap between the rotor and the pads. Tell us what the measurement is. We'll wait.
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What I never understand is why, when belts start shredding, that scooter owners don't just replace the clutch first and then the variatior. I know there is a vast difference in price among makes for these parts but given how clutches engage and disengage a badly operating operating one could be the culprit. The same goes for the variatior.
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If cost of ownership is an issue and you feel compelled to track it by mile, then don't buy one. Unless you ride a LOT (which I do -- 15,000 miles or more a year), the cost per mile will probably drive you into a tailspin and take all the fun out of it.
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I lost confidence in my 2007 GTS when fuel pump and electrical relay problems caused stalling and engine computer issues ( that damned yellow idiot light). It was a terrible disappointment. Subsequently I found my Vespa happy place in the air cooled 150 class carbureted and simple.
Modern traffic conditions required more cubic capacity and I felt the risk of returning to the GTS class was unwarranted. A 12 year old GT seemed a poor choice for a 12 month 50 mile commute.
I bought a Burgman 200. No chrome no need for accessories, not even a trunk as the under seat storage is vast and a wind tunnel designed body with integrated windshield. Proper switch gear real front forks and well proportioned drive gear all pointed the way forward.
It is my first non Vespa scooter ( I have ridden Vespas since my first 50R in 1970) and it is extremely satisfying and confidence inducing. It is not a Vespa and it is of a cubic capacity that fits poorly into the US scooter market. All of which makes lightly used models inexpensive.
The BurgmanUSA forum highlights the high mileage riders of this family of scootrrs but the forum itself is clunky and awkward to navigate.
They do not encourage character assasination contests which is a nice thing.
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Maestro,

Good luck to you. I bought my 2007 Burgman 400AN eleven years ago.
I have +40k miles on it. You have to love those Japanese engineers for quality control. It has never had one problem. Just tires, oil, and regular belt
replacements.

Despite having the Burgman, I had to have the classic Vespa.

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Gents, Its really time for everyone to move on to another topics. No one here really gives a shit about which of you two win. I can't believe how much time and efforts you've put into this conversation. I keep reading the thread because I hope something useful comes out of it. Just get your ass in the saddle, go ride, take and post some pics and tell us what a great ride it was.

Cheers!!
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This will be quite a change. The wheelbase on the Burgman 650 is about the same as the longer Harley cruiser models - in other words - it's a yacht. Double the power of a GTS but far less than double the weight. Should be a rocket. I like having a scooter as an "anti-Harley" (the around town alternative to the big toy) but it sounds fun as an all arounder. Hope it works great. I'm glad this is not a fanboy forum where speaking of other brands is sacrelige.

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I also fail to understand how a stone in the rear brake on the opposite side from the drive belt could damage the drive belt in any way.

What seems more likely is some combination of an aftermarket belt and poor servicing. For example, on my GT200 (not sure about GTS) you have to ensure that the belt is seated all the way down in the clutch to give it enough slack to torque down the variator nut to the proper setting without pinching the belt. Your average non-Vespa motorcycle mechanic may not know that.

The speed wobble can be corrected almost entirely by using heavier bar end weights, a shorter screen (tall screens are like sails), and 140 rear/130 front tyres instead of the stock 130 and 120.

But even then these scooters are meant to spend most of their miles in the city with the occasional highway trip, not daily high-speed commuting. So it sounds like OP made the right choice by going for function over style.
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As a guy that fixed machines for a living, a stone causing damage isn't surprising to me. To be analytic toward what we know about the situation is a stretch. Mud, stones, sand, sticks, ice and other debris damage many parts on the undercarriage or suspension and wheel/tire areas on PTW's and other wheeled machines.
Could it have been another factor, sure but we don't have enough information and the OP shared what he knew, I can leave it at that.
That Burgman is quite a leap in size over a Vespa. For my pleasure, I don't want big anymore, nor have I ever liked the Burgman's style. Like many rides, once you get on them, the pleasure, or not, of the ride takes over.
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So, it has cost about 20 cents per mile to drive your Vespa (excluding the cost for the purchase). That's cheaper than the per mile cost of my running shoes - my $150 running shoes only last 500 miles (30 cents per mile)! From a financial standpoint, I should be riding more and running less!
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P.S. - Sorry to see you leave the Vespa community. As a fellow New Englander, I understand the lack of service options. Luckily Connecticut now has two Vespa dealers - Vespa Vernon and Vespa New Haven. Parts availability is still tough though. A couple of years ago, when I needed a new gas cap, Vespa New Haven had to order one... It took weeks to arrive. Recently, I needed an exhaust clamp, and I almost drove to Boston to get the clamp as neither CT Vespa dealer had one in stock. Good luck with the Burgman.
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P.S. - Sorry to see you leave the Vespa community. As a fellow New Englander, I understand the lack of service options. Luckily Connecticut now has two Vespa dealers - Vespa Vernon and Vespa New Haven. Parts availability is still tough though. A couple of years ago, when I needed a new gas cap, Vespa New Haven had to order one... It took weeks to arrive. Recently, I needed an exhaust clamp, and I almost drove to Boston to get the clamp as neither CT Vespa dealer had one in stock. Good luck with the Burgman.
in May on my way to Colorado I was riding through Santa Fe and while I was stopped at a light a guy asked me if my Verde Esperanza GTS was a stock color. He used to own Vespa of New Haven.
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Ebay and the web is full of exhaust clamps. Next day shipping or Amazon prime, etc., would be cheaper than the gasoline? for most of us to fetch one.
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What seems more likely is some combination of an aftermarket belt and poor servicing. For example, on my GT200 (not sure about GTS) you have to ensure that the belt is seated all the way down in the clutch to give it enough slack to torque down the variator nut to the proper setting without pinching the belt.
Same, FWIW.
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Re: Goodbye to the Vespa
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Dear Forum Members,

After five years and 31,663 miles I have traded in my 2013 Vespa GTS300ie Super for a Suzuki Burgman 650. Because I compulsively tracked every expense with this bike, I thought you might appreciate knowing what it cost me to run that scooter from April to November each year, and why it is I decided to part with it -- and I also wanted to take this one last opportunity to thank the forum members for five years of enjoyment, education and support around all things Vespa.

The first issue of concern with this bike is that it has, for the past two years, destroyed drive belts, and the appalling lack of dealerships here in the northeast (where I ride) has made repair, especially emergency repair, extremely difficult -- to the point that I have become afraid to trust the bike on long trips. Last summer, on a trip around Prince Edward Island, the bike somehow managed to snag a stone into the rear brake. By the time I recognized the problem and had it fixed (at a friendly Yamaha dealer, as there are no Vespa dealers on PEI), it had worn the drive belt to the point that, as I exited the Confederation Bridge from PEI to New Brunswick at 65MPH, the drive belt shredded. Fortunate not to have been killed, I spent the afternoon beside the Transcanada Highway until a wrecker towed the bike to Moncton, where I waited a week for a new belt. Again, no Vespa dealers in New Brunswick, but I found a very friendly BMW mechanic who took care of the bike.

This new belt worked for the rest of last season, and then failed this past June 2018, again leaving me beside the road. The one Vespa dealer in Maine who regularly services the bike thought that, when the old belt broke, the BMW mechanic did not disassemble the clutches, leaving little bits of belt in there to gum up the new one and hasten its demise. I don't know -- but I just didn't feel confident anymore that the bike would get me home, and the fact that there are so few dealers in northern New England and maritime Canada left me seeking a better-supported brand of scooter.

And then, as I began riding to my new job on high-speed highways last fall, I became very uneasy with the extreme jitteriness of the Vespa at any speed above 60MPH. Maybe it's my particular bike, I don't know, but my guess is that the combination of windscreen, topbox, and 12-inch tires becomes unstable at high speeds, especially on windy days. But -- and this is the other factor that led me to trade it in -- I was becoming increasingly uneasy about riding the Vespa to work anymore, it just felt like an accident waiting to happen.

So, I looked for a bigger scooter with a better dealer network and settled on the Suzuki Burgman 650. I'm really happy with it, as it solves the jitters problem and it also has a number of really excellent features which the Vespa does not, like an underseat light, parking brake, ABS brakes (I know this feature appears on the new Vespas, but my 2013 didn't have them), trip meters, thermometer, etc., etc. And that means that this is my last post here, and I'm off to the BurgmanUSA forum.

Before I go, though, I was compulsive enough to record every expenditure I ever made on this Vespa, beginning with the purchase price and including every tire, every service, and every tank of gas. Over five years and 31,663 miles, I spent per mile:

$0.15788744 on repair and maintenance
$0.0488586 on gasoline (averaged 69MPG overall)
$0.23 for the original purchase cost. Of course, this would be lower per mile, the longer I owned the bike.

Add this up and I have spent about 43 cents per mile on this bike. Does that seem like a lot?

Maintenance costs on the Vespa 300 have averaged almost exactly $1000/year for the last five years, including seven new tires and two new drive belts, along with the routine service required. This was my first bike, and so my only experience in this regard, but that seems like a lot of money to me, just to keep the thing running safely.

Now it could be argued that those maintenance costs are artificially higher due to the unusual sequence of events that began with a rock stuck in the rear brake and led to two breakdowns and two new drive belts. But why would a rock stick in the rear brake in the first place? Is this a design flaw? The new Vespas now have anti-lock brakes, which suggests that the brakes have been re-designed since mine were built in 2013, so maybe that issue is resolved.

Anyway, I hope this information is helpful to you. I conclude this post by saying thanks to all the members for five years of assistance, knowledge, information and entertainment; it was great knowing there was a place to go if I ever needed help with the bike, or just to find something entertaining to think about and discuss. You folks have made a wonderful forum and I am grateful to have been a small part of it for the past five years.

If you are considering a trip to Maine, please look into my trip blog, [url]www.scootersmaine.wordpress.com[/url] , where you can find a number of (I think) interesting destinations for great rides in the Pine Tree State. And if you do come this way, I hope you will get in touch. Best wishes to all and thanks again!
I had a 2004 Burgman 650 for 11 years for a total of 40,000 miles in NYC.
Great bike, the engine will last 100,000 miles, but the CVT transmission will fail every 15,000-20,000 miles at a major expense and time.
I performed the first CVT transmission overhaul, but I refused to do it again and sold it for parts. I would never buy another bike with a CVT transmission.
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I would never buy another bike with a CVT transmission.
You must not realize the bike you're sitting on in your avatar has a CVT transmission.
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I would never buy another bike with a CVT transmission.
You must not realize the bike you're sitting on in your avatar has a CVT transmission.
T'was what I was thinking as well.....
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breaknwind wrote:
Tomcat F-14 wrote:
I would never buy another bike with a CVT transmission.
You must not realize the bike you're sitting on in your avatar has a CVT transmission.
T'was what I was thinking as well.....
+3 on that.
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Tomcat F-14 wrote:
I would never buy another bike with a CVT transmission.
You must not realize the bike you're sitting on in your avatar has a CVT transmission.
Sorry, I meant electronic transmission.
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Re: Goodbye to the Vespa
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I had a 2004 Burgman 650 for 11 years for a total of 40,000 miles in NYC.
Great bike, the engine will last 100,000 miles, but the CVT transmission will fail every 15,000-20,000 miles at a major expense and time.
I performed the first CVT transmission overhaul, but I refused to do it again and sold it for parts. I would never buy another bike with a CVT transmission.
Interesting, back in 2015 I picked-up a second-hand '05 Burgman 650 with 6k miles that I proceeded to put another 40k on before trading it in towards an '18 Burgman Exec. Nary a belt or CVT hiccup during the entire time. I was putting tires on every year (my daily commuter) and changing oil, filter and tranny oil every 5k. When I traded it in, the dealership docked me $50 of trade-in value due to the rear brakes needing replaced. Trade-in was still more than I paid for it back in '15!

I'm skeptical of all blanket statements talking about reliability, cost-of-ownership, etc. I really like how the OP presented things. "Here's my experience, here's my data, do with it what you will...see ya later." In my experience, riding style, environment, regular maintenance, willingness/ability to read the interwebs and turn a wrench trump all "Scooter X is horribly unreliable" or "Scooter Y is too expensive to own" proclamations.

That said, my Burgmans have been the most boring, un-sexy PTWs I've ever owned...but boring and un-sexy has been my motif for too many decades to worry about changing it now! 8)

Best of luck on your new adventures, maestro!
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Re: Goodbye to the Vespa
Monguire wrote:
Tomcat F-14 wrote:
I had a 2004 Burgman 650 for 11 years for a total of 40,000 miles in NYC.
Great bike, the engine will last 100,000 miles, but the CVT transmission will fail every 15,000-20,000 miles at a major expense and time.
I performed the first CVT transmission overhaul, but I refused to do it again and sold it for parts. I would never buy another bike with a CVT transmission.
Interesting, back in 2015 I picked-up a second-hand '05 Burgman 650 with 6k miles that I proceeded to put another 40k on before trading it in towards an '18 Burgman Exec. Nary a belt or CVT hiccup during the entire time. I was putting tires on every year (my daily commuter) and changing oil, filter and tranny oil every 5k. When I traded it in, the dealership docked me $50 of trade-in value due to the rear brakes needing replaced. Trade-in was still more than I paid for it back in '15!

I'm skeptical of all blanket statements talking about reliability, cost-of-ownership, etc. I really like how the OP presented things. "Here's my experience, here's my data, do with it what you will...see ya later." In my experience, riding style, environment, regular maintenance, willingness/ability to read the interwebs and turn a wrench trump all "Scooter X is horribly unreliable" or "Scooter Y is too expensive to own" proclamations.

That said, my Burgmans have been the most boring, un-sexy PTWs I've ever owned...but boring and un-sexy has been my motif for too many decades to worry about changing it now! 8)

Best of luck on your new adventures, maestro!
I was unlucky the Burgman 650 CVT was redesign in '05, '11, and '13 due to reliability and comfort issues. Crying or Very sad emoticon
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A disc brake pad consists of two components. The friction material glued to a metal backing plate. The friction material rides in direct contact with the brake disc even when the brakes are not applied and IMHO there is no way for a rock to get between the friction material and the disc. The friction material does not, however, on any that I have seen extend to the edge of the metal backing plate. There is a space between the backing plate and the disc where a rock could be trapped and cause considerable damage as the friction material wore away.
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This thread was an interesting read for me. I've lost confidence in my BV 350. I'm sure some of y'all have seen the post I made back in March about my engine stalling out while driving.

I've been taking the bus to and from work. It's an okay solution. Honestly, it's not so bad but it means I can't go anywhere during my break or after work if I need to, or if I need to leave early and just missed the bus, I have to wait 30 minutes for the next one. I miss the freedom having my own vehicle gives me.

I've been eyeing the Forza 300 and have found some decent deals on new 2016 models in nearby cities. But I've also been eyeing the Burgman 400. Reading some of the posts in this thread have pushed me more towards the Burgman. It'll be more expensive to purchase though.

I'm really not in a super hurry to buy a new bike since I can take the bus. It gives me time to look around and find exactly what I want.
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As a new member & Vespa owner I have to say when I think of scooters the Vespa pops to mind. They cool man. Famous quote: more sophisticated it is, easier it is to clog the toilets. I like the fitty for the city. Air-cooled dirt simple. I bought this one 11 yrs old already without fear because it's fun to learn to turn, a wrench that is. It being Italian it's also quite serendipitous because Italian machines tend to have issues. Not always, but most of the time But they have souls as well and that's why I like them really. My Ducatis are for the twisties, I bought the Vespa for style and utility. It has been a pleasure so far and quite faithful. I ride the crap out of it. About the rock in the brakes, not quite sure how OP managed that but I guess anything can happen. Belts were probably a victim of installation error. My impression is that Vespas are among the more solidly built scooters available.
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I Now ride a Vespa GTS 250 because I like the look and ride of the machine. I Started 25 years ago with a 250 Helix then to a 650 Burg, then to a 400 burg, then to a 400 Yamaha Majesty (that I still own) and now to a the Vespa 250, My first Vespa. I loved them all, I don't care how much they cost to ride, I just like two wheels!! And I love Scooters!!!

I can say this, I like the Yamaha 400 and the Vespa 250 the best out of all these machines.
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[quote="ScootOhio"]I Now ride a Vespa GTS 250 because I like the look and ride of the machine. I Started 25 years ago with a 250 Helix then to a 650 Burg, then to a 400 burg, then to a 400 Yamaha Majesty (that I still own) and now to a the Vespa 250, My first Vespa. I loved them all, I don't care how much they cost to ride, I just like two wheels!! And I love Scooters!!!

I can say this, I like the Yamaha 400 and the Vespa 250 the best out of all these machines.[/quote

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