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Ran a couple of searches but really did not find what I was looking for. I would like to be more visible from the front. Always on the look out for vehicles pulling out in front of me. I added the LED kit to my top case from Scooter West and love it. The headlight on the GTV is so low. Really do not need anything to see at night, just looking to be seen in the day time. Please share something you have had success with. Thank you.
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The swerve as you approach intersection is your best bet.
As you approach start slowly going from one side of your lane to the other, this makes you much more visible to other drives.
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WEB-Tech wrote:
The swerve as you approach intersection is your best bet.
As you approach start slowly going from one side of your lane to the other, this makes you much more visible to other drives.
Never, this is bad advise. Swerving can create a hazard by confusing other drivers as to your intention. It can be distracting to the rider and can lead to rider error.

Wearing hi-vis gear and riding with the high beam on can help get the attention of other drivers. Making eye contact with drivers at crossing intersections also will help according to some studies.

For the record, for many years I've been a certified MSF Instructor/rider coach. Razz emoticon


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We use reflective rim tape on all our bikes for added visibility at night.

https://www.customtaylor33.com
(purchased via Amazon)

Taylor himself answered a few e-mail/text inquiries almost immediately, which was unexpected.
This pic was taken with a weak iPhone flash at dawn, despite this, the rims are clearly defined.  Headlights make them glow bright white!
This pic was taken with a weak iPhone flash at dawn, despite this, the rims are clearly defined. Headlights make them glow bright white!
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Simply release your grip as you slow down for an intersection. The dreaded wobble will make the headlight wiggle to oncoming traffic. Perhaps the wobble is there for safety reasons Razz emoticon .

Cheers,
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roadscum wrote:
WEB-Tech wrote:
The swerve as you approach intersection is your best bet.
As you approach start slowly going from one side of your lane to the other, this makes you much more visible to other drives.
Never, this is bad advise. Swerving can create a hazard by confusing other drivers as to your intention. It can be distracting to the rider and can lead to rider error.

Wearing hi-vis gear and riding with the high beam on can help get the attention of other drivers. Making eye contact with drivers at crossing intersections also will help according to some studies.

For the record, for many years I've been a certified MSF Instructor/rider coach. Razz emoticon


Paul
"Swerve" perhaps over-states the anti-SMIDSY manouver - as now advocated by the UK safety organisations. If you're concerned someone hasn't seen you, just go from side to side in your lane - this will make you 'pop' into the other's awareness and they'll also be able to judge your speed better.

Read this highly rated UK report:
http://www.mag-uk.org/files/How%20Close%20is%20Too%20Close.pdf
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jimc wrote:
roadscum wrote:
WEB-Tech wrote:
The swerve as you approach intersection is your best bet.
As you approach start slowly going from one side of your lane to the other, this makes you much more visible to other drives.
Never, this is bad advise. Swerving can create a hazard by confusing other drivers as to your intention. It can be distracting to the rider and can lead to rider error.

Wearing hi-vis gear and riding with the high beam on can help get the attention of other drivers. Making eye contact with drivers at crossing intersections also will help according to some studies.

For the record, for many years I've been a certified MSF Instructor/rider coach. Razz emoticon


Paul
"Swerve" perhaps over-states the anti-SMIDSY manouver - as now advocated by the UK safety organisations. If you're concerned someone hasn't seen you, just go from side to side in your lane - this will make you 'pop' into the other's awareness and they'll also be able to judge your speed better.

Read this highly rated UK report:
http://www.mag-uk.org/files/How%20Close%20is%20Too%20Close.pdf
That was an interesting (if not a bit unsettling) read. Thanks for posting!

I had just passed my course this April and we were taught to perform the weaving technique when approaching an intersection at night, as our single headlight could "disappear" if a car was behind. Much like the picture in the report.
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jimc wrote:
roadscum wrote:
WEB-Tech wrote:
The swerve as you approach intersection is your best bet.
As you approach start slowly going from one side of your lane to the other, this makes you much more visible to other drives.
Never, this is bad advise. Swerving can create a hazard by confusing other drivers as to your intention. It can be distracting to the rider and can lead to rider error.

Wearing hi-vis gear and riding with the high beam on can help get the attention of other drivers. Making eye contact with drivers at crossing intersections also will help according to some studies.

For the record, for many years I've been a certified MSF Instructor/rider coach. Razz emoticon


Paul
"Swerve" perhaps over-states the anti-SMIDSY manouver - as now advocated by the UK safety organisations. If you're concerned someone hasn't seen you, just go from side to side in your lane - this will make you 'pop' into the other's awareness and they'll also be able to judge your speed better.

Read this highly rated UK report:
http://www.mag-uk.org/files/How%20Close%20is%20Too%20Close.pdf
That was an interesting (if not a bit unsettling) read. Thanks for posting!

I had just passed my course this April and we were taught to perform the weaving technique when approaching an intersection at night, as our single headlight could "disappear" if a car was behind. Much like the picture in the report.
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Bob Cowley wrote:
Simply release your grip as you slow down for an intersection. The dreaded wobble will make the headlight wiggle to oncoming traffic. Perhaps the wobble is there for safety reasons Razz emoticon .

Cheers,
Bob
Ok that made me literally laugh out loud. Ok more of a quiet chuckle but the wobble is legendary and mine sure does it. Never thought of it as a safety feature.
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Re: Additional front light for GTV
bitblower wrote:
Ran a couple of searches but really did not find what I was looking for. I would like to be more visible from the front. Always on the look out for vehicles pulling out in front of me. I added the LED kit to my top case from Scooter West and love it. The headlight on the GTV is so low. Really do not need anything to see at night, just looking to be seen in the day time. Please share something you have had success with. Thank you.
Just installed these (and a set of RED inside the rear taillights) on my 2018. By having a triangle formed with the headlight and the new running lights, others can see you much better and it's said that this provides a much better depth perception by the observer.

There is also a thread somewhere here that shows a really inexpensive but highly effective alternative using parts from SUPERBRIGHTLEDS.com. I did this one on my 2013 and it was commented on repeatedly!
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Re: Additional front light for GTV
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bitblower wrote:
Ran a couple of searches but really did not find what I was looking for. I would like to be more visible from the front. Always on the look out for vehicles pulling out in front of me. I added the LED kit to my top case from Scooter West and love it. The headlight on the GTV is so low. Really do not need anything to see at night, just looking to be seen in the day time. Please share something you have had success with. Thank you.
Just installed these (and a set of RED inside the rear taillights) on my 2018. By having a triangle formed with the headlight and the new running lights, others can see you much better and it's said that this provides a much better depth perception by the observer.

There is also a thread somewhere here that shows a really inexpensive but highly effective alternative using parts from SUPERBRIGHTLEDS.com. I did this one on my 2013 and it was commented on repeatedly!
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I did this back in 2010:
Fitting 'Brighteyes' to a GTS.

I believe scooterwest have a kit that'll do the same thing.
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roadscum wrote:
WEB-Tech wrote:
The swerve as you approach intersection is your best bet.
As you approach start slowly going from one side of your lane to the other, this makes you much more visible to other drives.
Never, this is bad advise. Swerving can create a hazard by confusing other drivers as to your intention. It can be distracting to the rider and can lead to rider error.

Paul
As JimC states the UK endorses this and the link he provides is where I learned about it. Razz emoticon

Oh, and it does work. I have watched cars rolling to the inspection, then they see me slowly going from side to side of my lane and stop.
I do it when ever someone is in a position to make a left turn in front of me, and you can see them react.
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Is this thread any help?

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Thank you
A huge thank you to all that responded. All very helpful. I had never heard of the 'swerve' and was impressed with all of the research. Went with the pictured. The LED's are from superbrightleds with cumulative 1.17 amp draw. The 10aH lithium ion battery resides in leather bag. Toggle switch on top of bag.
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Thanks for posting. They look great. Why do you have them aimed down?

If you replaced the headlight with with and LED, you could probably hardwire them to the scooter. The scooterwest GTV headlight only takes 25/30 watts (low/high beam). The OEM headlight takes takes 55/60 watts. At 1.17amps x 12 volts takes about 15 watts.

Also, if you do use the scooterwest LED, find my MV post on an installation tip.

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Thank you for tip
I am experimenting with them. Pointed down for now to avoid offending oncoming drivers. They seem pretty bright. Even pointed down they increase visibility. Thank you for the info on Scooterwest led upgrade. It is on sale!
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Re: Thank you for tip
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Thank you for the info on Scooterwest led upgrade. It is on sale!
I've been using it for 6 months or so. Its definitely brighter than the OEM bulb.

Here's the link I referenced for the Scooterwest LED Headlight on GTV250: install notes.

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2 words.....headlight modulator

I've had 1 on my Harley for 75,000 miles and NEVER had a car turn in front of me or pull out in front of me.
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