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The psi on the sidewall is the max cold tire pressure. It will and can go above that when hot, just do not exceed that on a cold tire.
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I'm really glad I found this post. I recently came in possesion of a 250 GTS and I noticed the wobble on slow exceleration during turns. I was worried something was wrong, but after reading this, it sounds expected.

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Expected?
Possible or present is a much better descriptor! In turns?
The more commonly heard about wobble comes on in straight away movement ~ low 30's MPH, not particularly turn related.
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Thank you Kantuckid, I will pay special attention when I notice it. Maybe I will take it in to have it checked if it's only when turning.
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Seems most who have/get the wobble it shows up during deceleration at speeds I mentioned. Be certain your road surface isn't giving feedback not present on a better surface? Check for side to side movement in wheel assemblies or steering head slop?
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Are we talking wobble, side to side motion of handlebars, or hop, up and down feel sometimes felt on single cylinder machines because of engine forces?
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The wobble on my GTS is more pronounced with the larger of the top boxes. I have several sizes from 29 to 46 liters. I also have the heavier bar end weights.

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The wobble on my GTS is more pronounced with the larger of the top boxes. I have several sizes from 29 to 46 liters. I also have the heavier bar end weights.
Others have observed that larger loads at the back of the scooter increase the GTS wobble. Heavier bar end weights tend to decrease the wobble. That is why Vespa provides heavier bar end weights with most top boxes.
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I found the cure! Just strap a medium sized Serta memory foam dog bed to the front of your scoot and it'll be smooth as butter. I'd like to be kidding here but I'm not. With this strapped to the front rack I didn't get even the slightest hint of a head shake. I tested pretty thoroughly once I realized that it wasn't happening on deceleration at about 40 kmh. The scoot would sway a bit when my hands left the bars at that speed but no wobble at all.

I'm now thinking maybe there is a tasteful way to add some weight to my front rack?

Bonus points to any locals that can point out where the pic was taken. Here's a hint, I was grabbing some clotted cream, a juicy steak, great cheese, morels, fresh pasta and assorted veggies. The tourists were out in full force.
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I installed a larger front tire, size 140/70, works great!!!
K. Kid hooked me up with heavier weights but somehow one disappeared. You can't tighten the throttle one as tight as you should because then you can't ride it at idle.
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Bonus points to any locals that can point out where the pic was taken. Here's a hint, I was grabbing some clotted cream, a juicy steak, great cheese, morels, fresh pasta and assorted veggies. The tourists were out in full force.
Looks like St Lawrence market to me.

Now I've got to look up morels.
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You can't tighten the throttle one as tight as you should because then you can't ride it at idle.
Please explain.
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Bonus points to any locals that can point out where the pic was taken. Here's a hint, I was grabbing some clotted cream, a juicy steak, great cheese, morels, fresh pasta and assorted veggies. The tourists were out in full force.
Yup. Tour busses were busy unloading the hoards of tourists. I know they are good for the economy and all that but getting behind them at the register at some of the shops can really slow down the process. Worse things in life I guess but arghhh

Looks like St Lawrence market to me.

Now I've got to look up morels.
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You can't tighten the throttle one as tight as you should because then you can't ride it at idle.
Please explain.
Perhaps the rubber grip is impinging on the bar weight? I've not had that problem on my scoots though.
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You can't tighten the throttle one as tight as you should because then you can't ride it at idle.
Please explain.
Perhaps the rubber grip is impinging on the bar weight? I've not had that problem on my scoots though.
If that happens (and it can with the original end weights as well) you just add a washer or two. It never means you can't do it up tight.
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The larger front tire was a big help in reducing the wobble. The larger R/h weight dropped off somewhere so I went back to the original ones. I will add the washer, thanks for the advice. I must be getting a bit slow witted in the old age. Be 72 next month.
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I have a BV350 which is not prone to having the wobbles. However, when I changed my front tire, I went to the nationwide store that sells accessories and also mounts tires that they sell. When I went to pick up my newly mounted front tire, I saw that the guy hadn't removed the old weights but added new ones. I thought that was lame, but since I was in a hurry I took it as it was since the "tech" told me that it was balanced. ... it wasn't. The obvious test was rolling off the throttle at 70 mph and getting the shakes. I had never had the shakes before. I had to take the tire off again and go back and get it balanced correctly. Watch for this when you get your tires changed! ... especially if you hadn't had the wobbles before.
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I found another way to add some weight to the front rack that maybe looks better than a rolled up dog bed.
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Watching this eagerly. The head shake on mine has become intolerable- as i have just had a new tyre fitted (they left the original weights on, and it wasn't balanced by the shop). So i'm looking at buying a static balancer. Does anyone have any recommendations? Thanks.
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Watching this eagerly. The head shake on mine has become intolerable- as i have just had a new tyre fitted (they left the original weights on, and it wasn't balanced by the shop). So i'm looking at buying a static balancer. Does anyone have any recommendations? Thanks.
First, check the tyre pressure - often the shops under or severely overinflate them, but as well as that you should take it back to the shop and insist they balance it. Safety issue if nothing else. Take the original weights off yourself first!

In the US everyone swears by the Mark Parnes balancer - similar ones are available in the UK via Amazon or ebay. You'll have to ensure they have the right cones to fit Vespa wheels though.
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I don't have this "head-shake" problem at all. I get the impression from this and similar threads that it only happens when you take your hands off the bars. From a safety point of view, why would you want to do this? Is it true that if you just kept your hands on the bars there would be no problem? (Perhaps that's why I haven't noticed it.) In that case, surely the solution is easy and free! Please tell me if I'm missing something here ...
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I found the cure! Just strap a medium sized Serta memory foam dog bed to the front of your scoot and it'll be smooth as butter. I'd like to be kidding here but I'm not. With this strapped to the front rack I didn't get even the slightest hint of a head shake. I tested pretty thoroughly once I realized that it wasn't happening on deceleration at about 40 kmh. The scoot would sway a bit when my hands left the bars at that speed but no wobble at all.

I'm now thinking maybe there is a tasteful way to add some weight to my front rack?

Bonus points to any locals that can point out where the pic was taken. Here's a hint, I was grabbing some clotted cream, a juicy steak, great cheese, morels, fresh pasta and assorted veggies. The tourists were out in full force.
Nice. But I have a cat. Good thing I have a 2015 GTS. Laughing emoticon
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I don't have this "head-shake" problem at all. I get the impression from this and similar threads that it only happens when you take your hands off the bars. From a safety point of view, why would you want to do this? Is it true that if you just kept your hands on the bars there would be no problem? (Perhaps that's why I haven't noticed it.) In that case, surely the solution is easy and free! Please tell me if I'm missing something here ...
Likely for the same reason I don't experience wobble on mine: ESS front suspension (2015-17 GTS/GTV, at least in the US market).
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Are you carrying a lot of stuff on the back of the Scoot - passenger or topcase full of stuff?

I only get the front wheel wobble when I am doing either or both of the following apply;

(1) lots of weight on back of Scoot
(2) rear tire is not inflated properly.

If both apply - it's the most wobble.

I found the rear tire inflation is more important than the front wheel. It kinda of makes sense - the Vespa is already kinda back end loaded. The more you dip the back down or put more weight on the back which causes less wait on front = front wheel isn't as stuck to ground and wobbles.
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Watching this eagerly. The head shake on mine has become intolerable- as i have just had a new tyre fitted (they left the original weights on, and it wasn't balanced by the shop). So i'm looking at buying a static balancer. Does anyone have any recommendations? Thanks.
First, check the tyre pressure - often the shops under or severely overinflate them, but as well as that you should take it back to the shop and insist they balance it. Safety issue if nothing else. Take the original weights off yourself first!

In the US everyone swears by the Mark Parnes balancer - similar ones are available in the UK via Amazon or ebay. You'll have to ensure they have the right cones to fit Vespa wheels though.
The shop said they didn't have a balancer, and are an ex-Vespa dealer. After chatting with them for a while, it seems they hate modern Vespas, so I will only be using them if I really have to. I will purchase a Marc Parnes balancer. My tyre pressures are something I always pay attention to, and they are fine. The only other thing I may do, after balancing the wheel, is change the wheel bearings, - as any play whatsoever there will affect the front end wobble.
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I've ordered a Marc Parnes balancer from the US this morning, and will also get a new set of wheel bearings.

Not a cheap solution - but i'm wanting to solve this issue once and for all.

I rode an extremely tired 11,000 KM rental Primavera around the Amalfi coast for a week earlier in the month - and the front end turn / stability was perfect.

I then returned home and got on my 6,000 KM GTS and the front end felt awful in comparison - and has been made worse by the new (unbalanced) tyre that has been fitted.
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TBH most of my head shake is gone by adding the rack bag to the front. Only a little extra weight makes a big difference. For those that do not have a top case simply adding the heavier bar end weights may help. They come with the top case but I'm pretty sure can be bought without . I have a 2017 GTV so the same suspension as the GTS.
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]You dont need to do anything else but change your front shock to a proper shock and it won't wobble.

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Here is the new 4.0 bazooka on Supertech.

Problem is with coil shock, most of the time the spring is not rated to individual weight and most brand when buying their shock are not given a choice off spring. There is no 1 spring for all. Almost every aftermarket shock especially designer shock (Example, zelioni etc does no testing and have no facilities to test their shock. Its all outsource to a manufacturer) including bgm that i have to tune for customer, 99% are not able to even set the Sag correctly due to wrong rated spring etc. Nothing else can be set if the basic of sag cannot be set correctly.

So if you would to ask me, i would say most people are spending money to make their suspension worst. Bazooka air shock is just like your tire,it does leak a bit. you would check it lke how you would check your tire pressure. My bazooka from my old vespa still works perfectly after more than 3 years. You can even send it in for maintenance where all your internal parts will be change, with proper care, it could last you a lifetime.

Its around 40% lighter than stock, with that saving in weight, it translate into more power for your bike and your front end will feel as lot more nimble. I am sure everyone knows about the infamous vespa front end wobble . It will wobble regardless its the current front end setup or the 14-17 macpherson strut setup, it will wobble. Just try letting go both of your hands and see what it does. I tried a few suspension setup and i can say only bazooka i can safely do let go of my hands and it will self correct itself and will not wobble. Have as look at the video, do note my left hand is holding my phone for recording and that is the furthest back i could go to take the video, i can do a longer video without hands if you want.
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Since I bought my refurbished 2013 GTS two years ago, I have noticed the steering shudder. I was not overly concerned as all my BMW R80/R100 airheads have a serious shudder at around 80km/h. Carrying a pillion and luggage tends to make it worse on those bikes.

My Vespa is going in for some paint repairs in a week and I will have them replace and / or torque the steering head bearings to spec while they are busy. It is a PITA to get to them on a Vespa so you tend to do it only when other work requires removal of the steering column.

The BMW's all tended to notch the bearing shells along the centre line of the bike. If you were on a tight budget you could try removing the bearing race and turning it 90 degrees which would eliminate the effect of the notch.
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My 2016 with ESS does not shudder or wobble, even when I take my hands off the bars!. But why anyway would that matter if the bike only shudders or wobbles when you take your hands off the bars? It really doesn't matter. You are supposed to keep your hands on the bars when riding. No reason to take your hands off. It's possible to pick ones nose with just one hand...not that I do that sort of thing...lol.
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I have owned three different GTS s.

I've never had a wobble. Guess I'm just lucky huh?
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My 2016 with ESS does not shudder or wobble, even when I take my hands off the bars!. But why anyway would that matter if the bike only shudders or wobbles when you take your hands off the bars? It really doesn't matter. You are supposed to keep your hands on the bars when riding. No reason to take your hands off. It's possible to pick ones nose with just one hand...not that I do that sort of thing...lol.
My husband's wobbles even with both hands on the bars. Which sucks with him being a newbie, since he doesn't really have the skill yet to just go with it. Going to take it in to see if it can be fixed
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My 2016 with ESS does not shudder or wobble, even when I take my hands off the bars!. But why anyway would that matter if the bike only shudders or wobbles when you take your hands off the bars? It really doesn't matter. You are supposed to keep your hands on the bars when riding. No reason to take your hands off. It's possible to pick ones nose with just one hand...not that I do that sort of thing...lol.
My husband's wobbles even with both hands on the bars. Which sucks with him being a newbie, since he doesn't really have the skill yet to just go with it. Going to take it in to see if it can be fixed
What's the condition of the front tyre? Any feathering or cupping will help start the oscillation.
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