Sun Jan 10, 2021 3:35 am

Hooked
Gilera Runner 500cc.
Joined: 11 Mar 2014
Posts: 159
Location: Netherlands
 
Hooked
Gilera Runner 500cc.
Joined: 11 Mar 2014
Posts: 159
Location: Netherlands
Sun Jan 10, 2021 3:35 am linkquote
I run the original vario.
This contains 8 x Dr Pulley sliders 18Gr (2517-18G)

A Dr Pulley hit clutch, with 2 spacer rings under the original compression spring.

Ceramic coated downpipe from a Mp3 500.

Mivv exhaust.

The new HPE cilinder and piston from the newest type Mp3 500.
Compression ratio was 10,5 : 1.
Compression now is 11,0 : 1.

The rest is original.

The thin rear tyre is now 140/60-14.
The original high tyre was 150/70-14.
Mon Jan 11, 2021 12:59 am

Member
GTS
Joined: 19 Aug 2020
Posts: 19
Location: Berlin Germany
 
Member
GTS
Joined: 19 Aug 2020
Posts: 19
Location: Berlin Germany
Mon Jan 11, 2021 12:59 am linkquote
I see you put a lot of thought in your setup. What is your tuning target? The dyno diagram shows the acceleration rpm around 6500.

Did you see differences between the old and HPE cylinder?

For the HIT clutch there are different opinions to find. The theory sounds convincing to me, but I have not found proof (like 0-100kph comparisions) that it delivers higher acceleration. What is your experience with it?

Thanks for sharing all your project and insights!
Mon Jan 11, 2021 7:00 am

Hooked
Gilera Runner 500cc.
Joined: 11 Mar 2014
Posts: 159
Location: Netherlands
 
Hooked
Gilera Runner 500cc.
Joined: 11 Mar 2014
Posts: 159
Location: Netherlands
Mon Jan 11, 2021 7:00 am linkquote
With the hpe i can feel it has more torque.
I have driven the donor Beverly with the standard, and later with the Hpe cilinder.

The clutch works verry good, when the clutch bites, it bites and does not slip.
With the original clutch, tested in the beverly, it could slip through.
This is mostly from a stop to full throttle launch.

This is the setup, all the power is where i want and need it.
Setup is perfect.
Mon Jan 11, 2021 1:41 pm

Hooked
Sportcity 350ie
Joined: 08 Nov 2016
Posts: 134
Location: Zagreb/Croatia/EU
 
Hooked
Sportcity 350ie
Joined: 08 Nov 2016
Posts: 134
Location: Zagreb/Croatia/EU
Mon Jan 11, 2021 1:41 pm linkquote
You did serious project and built it almost from scratch. Glad to see that you had idea, good will, tools and needed knowledge to do all this. I know exactly how you feel when have produced your own dream-scooter since I build and drive something similar (Sportcity 350ie).
Enjoy;-)
Tue Jan 12, 2021 9:01 am

Hooked
Sportcity 350ie
Joined: 08 Nov 2016
Posts: 134
Location: Zagreb/Croatia/EU
 
Hooked
Sportcity 350ie
Joined: 08 Nov 2016
Posts: 134
Location: Zagreb/Croatia/EU
Tue Jan 12, 2021 9:01 am linkquote
Reposted your project here on croatian local scooter forum and one older member told that one guy had similar but less "polished" project here. We fould old resales offer from 2nd owner after "project". Here you could see photos:
https://www.njuskalo.hr/skuteri-preko-50/gilera-runner-vx-500-cm3-oglas-8886416
Tue Jan 12, 2021 9:10 am

Hooked
Gilera Runner 500cc.
Joined: 11 Mar 2014
Posts: 159
Location: Netherlands
 
Hooked
Gilera Runner 500cc.
Joined: 11 Mar 2014
Posts: 159
Location: Netherlands
Tue Jan 12, 2021 9:10 am linkquote
Hello, yes i have seen that bike.
The donor for that was a 460cc Piaggio X9.
That was a more 'easy' build.
With big wheels, and a engine that is outside the frame.

I have seen more of these easy builds, that could have been mutch better if they took more time to do the build.

But most people don't care, they just want it to be fast.
Tue Jan 12, 2021 2:59 pm

Hooked
Sportcity 350ie
Joined: 08 Nov 2016
Posts: 134
Location: Zagreb/Croatia/EU
 
Hooked
Sportcity 350ie
Joined: 08 Nov 2016
Posts: 134
Location: Zagreb/Croatia/EU
Tue Jan 12, 2021 2:59 pm linkquote
You're totaly right- difference between your and this build is really big. We could see that you started with this project after longer research with almost unlimited tools availability, knowledge and experience. I'll say that budget wasn't bottleneck too;-)
I had issue with steering angle since my scooter wasn't projected for such speed- so had to increase steering angle from 25.5° to 26.5°. I hope you'll not meet this issue but take care during first top speed testing.
Also glad to hear that in your country you didn't had more problems during "homologation". In my country they expecting so detail project with all posible calculations that's almost imposible to pass;-)
Stay well and fast and receive my congratulation one more time!
Sat Jan 23, 2021 5:50 am

Lurker
Joined: 23 Jan 2021
Posts: 2
Location: Croatia, Rijeka
 
Lurker
Joined: 23 Jan 2021
Posts: 2
Location: Croatia, Rijeka
Sat Jan 23, 2021 5:50 am linkquote
I have been secretly following this topic since the day you started building it but made an account to share some info with you today
The only reason why i liked this project so much is because there was 1 in croatia built years ago that was sadly crashed
It changed many owners throu out its life and the last owner was here in my city of Rijeka

https://www.njuskalo.hr/skuteri-preko-50/gilera-runner-vx-500-cm3-oglas-8886416

https://www.njuskalo.hr/skuteri-preko-50/gilera-vx125-500ccm-500-cm3-oglas-13332474

https://riportal.net.hr/foto-krs-i-lom-kod-ztc-a-ovo-je-za-ne-vjerovati-nocni-jahac-se-motorom-zabio-u-automobil-i-pobjegao-vozacicu-odvezla-hitna/
Sun Jan 24, 2021 10:38 am

Hooked
Sportcity 350ie
Joined: 08 Nov 2016
Posts: 134
Location: Zagreb/Croatia/EU
 
Hooked
Sportcity 350ie
Joined: 08 Nov 2016
Posts: 134
Location: Zagreb/Croatia/EU
Sun Jan 24, 2021 10:38 am linkquote
Sad news- I didn't know.
Now I'm almost sure that this is only one in the world and based on owner dedication would run for many years...
I'm also almost sure that based on her car damage lady didn't had injury but just made insurance scam...
dOmo greetings from Zagreb;-)
Mon Jan 25, 2021 5:26 am

Lurker
Joined: 23 Jan 2021
Posts: 2
Location: Croatia, Rijeka
 
Lurker
Joined: 23 Jan 2021
Posts: 2
Location: Croatia, Rijeka
Mon Jan 25, 2021 5:26 am linkquote
it was pretty obvious
anyway the bike sits at a impound lot, bent beyond repair
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Wed Feb 24, 2021 12:35 pm

Hooked
Gilera Runner 500cc.
Joined: 11 Mar 2014
Posts: 159
Location: Netherlands
 
Hooked
Gilera Runner 500cc.
Joined: 11 Mar 2014
Posts: 159
Location: Netherlands
Wed Feb 24, 2021 12:35 pm linkquote
Had some small jobs to do.
Had to change someting in the cooling system.
When driving verry slow, and running idle, the engine temp was getting to high.
I first thought that the original waterpump had not enough flow for the crossflow radiator.
But it truned out i had 2 airlocks in the system.
Changed the system, made 2 extra points to bleed the system and now it is all okay.

The flexible hose that goes to the air filter under the seat was mechanically to weak.
After 1000Km there were already 2 small holes in the hose.
So changed the hose to a modified Gilera Nexus 500 hose from the 2005 model.

The new flexible hose is thicker, so the plastic cover that was above the old hose has to be changed.
Now i made this from metal.






















The Gilera Nexus 500 hose, with a 45 degree alloy tube.




The metal cover is powder coated, and placed the Agip Sticker.
The Agip sticker is more correct with the construction year of the bike.









And today i drove it for the first time this year.
This was also the first time after the dyno setup.
The throttle respons is perfect, and the power....... bwah, nice!
Top speed, not tested yet.

Tue Mar 02, 2021 8:43 am

Hooked
Gilera Runner 500cc.
Joined: 11 Mar 2014
Posts: 159
Location: Netherlands
 
Hooked
Gilera Runner 500cc.
Joined: 11 Mar 2014
Posts: 159
Location: Netherlands
Tue Mar 02, 2021 8:43 am linkquote
Washed and waxed the 500cc Gilera Runner today.
Also did a engine oil change.

It now is ready for the 2021 season.
When the weather is good, i and my daughter can take a ride









Tue Mar 02, 2021 8:53 am

Molto Verboso
2006 LX150 (carbed) | 2007 GT200
Joined: 29 Jun 2016
Posts: 1557
Location: Toronto
 
Molto Verboso
2006 LX150 (carbed) | 2007 GT200
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Posts: 1557
Location: Toronto
Tue Mar 02, 2021 8:53 am linkquote
Looks great! Best wishes to you and your daughter for the upcoming riding season
Wed Mar 10, 2021 2:36 am

Hooked
Gilera Runner 500cc.
Joined: 11 Mar 2014
Posts: 159
Location: Netherlands
 
Hooked
Gilera Runner 500cc.
Joined: 11 Mar 2014
Posts: 159
Location: Netherlands
Wed Mar 10, 2021 2:36 am linkquote
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Tue Apr 13, 2021 3:24 am

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Vespa PX 210 Malossi
Joined: 12 Jul 2007
Posts: 108
Location: Norway
 
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Vespa PX 210 Malossi
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Posts: 108
Location: Norway
Tue Apr 13, 2021 3:24 am linkquote
That's simply amazing
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Tue May 18, 2021 10:41 pm

Hooked
300 gts
Joined: 09 Apr 2017
Posts: 106
Location: Derby.UK
 
Hooked
300 gts
Joined: 09 Apr 2017
Posts: 106
Location: Derby.UK
Tue May 18, 2021 10:41 pm linkquote
Runner ST
hi Arno, i had a guy contact me last week who had fitted a 200cc carb version piaggio engine into his runner st, he had used the runner st cradle which was badly worn, I replaced the bearings and rods in it, i also had to alter a bracket that was close to the oil breather coming out of the head, which was close to catching when on the stand, i also swapped the rubbers on the top of the shocks around with the thicker ones on top of the shocks when fitted into the holes, that added another 10mm to the position and aided, it now has good clearance, obviously he had to cut the bottom out of the under seat tray to accommodate the top of the carb, but while doing all this i also noticed that a gts 300 fuel injected engine would also fit in one of these scooters with very little fettling. A project i may well have a go at when i have sorted the forks on my 1965 BSA a65 star.
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Tue Sep 07, 2021 1:17 am

Hooked
Gilera Runner 500cc.
Joined: 11 Mar 2014
Posts: 159
Location: Netherlands
 
Hooked
Gilera Runner 500cc.
Joined: 11 Mar 2014
Posts: 159
Location: Netherlands
Tue Sep 07, 2021 1:17 am linkquote
I have done a little over 2000 km now with the Runner after the conversion to 500cc.





Tue Sep 07, 2021 1:29 am

Ossessionato
1991 Vespa T5 Pole Position, 2008 Vespa S 125, 2013 Peugeot Metropolis RS
Joined: 06 May 2011
Posts: 3771
Location: Staffordshire England
 
Ossessionato
1991 Vespa T5 Pole Position, 2008 Vespa S 125, 2013 Peugeot Metropolis RS
Joined: 06 May 2011
Posts: 3771
Location: Staffordshire England
Tue Sep 07, 2021 1:29 am linkquote
Arnoh wrote:
I have done a little over 2000 km now with the Runner after the conversion to 500cc.

Top speed?
Tue Sep 07, 2021 6:50 am

Member
2021 Sprint 50 S, 2007 Piaggio X8 250ie
Joined: 06 Jun 2021
Posts: 39

 
Member
2021 Sprint 50 S, 2007 Piaggio X8 250ie
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Posts: 39

Tue Sep 07, 2021 6:50 am linkquote
fleece wrote:
Top speed?
This

+burnout video would be nice
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Fri Oct 29, 2021 1:09 pm

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Gts300hpe
Joined: 29 Oct 2021
Posts: 2
Location: Netherlands
 
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Gts300hpe
Joined: 29 Oct 2021
Posts: 2
Location: Netherlands
Fri Oct 29, 2021 1:09 pm linkquote
Man id hate to break it to you but you aren't the first. This is also in the Netherlands. A way simpler job than yours though, coming from a VX not SP. [/img]


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Fri Oct 29, 2021 10:43 pm

Hooked
Gilera Runner 500cc.
Joined: 11 Mar 2014
Posts: 159
Location: Netherlands
 
Hooked
Gilera Runner 500cc.
Joined: 11 Mar 2014
Posts: 159
Location: Netherlands
Fri Oct 29, 2021 10:43 pm linkquote
Mikeyr wrote:
Man id hate to break it to you but you aren't the first. This is also in the Netherlands. A way simpler job than yours though, coming from a VX not SP. [/img]
What makes you think i was the first and the only then?
I know there were more build, but not like this way.
That one above is from Elan.

There was also a black one that was made from a X9 and is already crashed.

And one with chrome covers, and a few in England.

So yes, i do know there are more.
But they did it in a simpler way, and none of them is officialy registred as a legal 500cc.
Mine is, and when the Dutch rdw does that you know the standard is high.
Mon Nov 01, 2021 3:09 pm

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Gts300hpe
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Location: Netherlands
 
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Gts300hpe
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Location: Netherlands
Mon Nov 01, 2021 3:09 pm linkquote
Ahhh understood! Yeah I've seen loads in England, most common is the 300 carb conversion as it goes straight into a VX but they all stay as 125 on paperwork for licenses as you can ride 125 on provisional license and any bigger needs a motorbike license. However, to get it to come back as 500cc In England you don't need any inspections done, just send off a receipt of an engine change and tell them the new engine size. Weird how it's so different.
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