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I think that it's so narrow it's not going to have any affect.
Maybe but it really depends on how they they internally route and exhaust the incoming air.

The rigid, rectilinear and exposed front end parts is in stark contrast to the smooth and aerodynamic enclosed body which makes the entire package disjointed to my eye. The whale-mouth-sized intake grill doesn't integrate well visually with either the front or back end of the bike. But that may just be me. I really applaud the innovative design tho, despite the fact that it's not to my taste.

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Yes. It was quite deliberate. And I'm not wrong.
I know being retired and all finances are a bit tight for you, but is server space so expensive that you couldn't use both words?
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I know being retired and all finances are a bit tight for you, but is server space so expensive that you couldn't use both words?
Fair.
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I think that is the Johammer's strength - It's radical and that pushes it apart from all of the conventional looking bikes in the video.

It makes it more conceptual rather than another modified motorcycle which I'd argue gives it more credibility if you're trying to promote a new form of transport.

Maybe that's where the premium price tag comes from or maybe it's being built in such low volumes it's always going to cost the earth.
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Not a scooter but I need to have one, ordered up...lets see if I dont break any bones/
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Not a scooter but I need to have one, ordered up...lets see if I dont break any bones/
There's an entertaining group here that rides those while playing Frisbee golf.in the park. Looks like fun for someone with good knees.
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Not a scooter but I need to have one, ordered up...lets see if I dont break any bones/
I tried one of those out for a few minutes, and quickly gave it back to the owner before I broke any bones.
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Not a scooter but I need to have one, ordered up...lets see if I dont break any bones/
We went to a demo day. Fun, not that hard to get the feel of, but surprisingly hard on one's ankles and lower leg muscles. If I was younger, I'd have seriously considered it.
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What happens if the sales of EV's and Hybrids increase but it had no measurable effect on global temperatures or emissions ?

What would the next strategy be ?
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What happens if the sales of EV's and Hybrids increase but it had no measurable effect on global temperatures or emissions ?

What would the next strategy be ?
Hi Bill

The consensus from scientists seems to be limiting emissions now until be figure out how to best remove the excess carbon from the atmosphere, which will probably be 30 years away in significant scale. EV and bicycles(ones that you ride to work or the shops, not ones that are put in the back of your massive truck and driven to the MTB park) are a good way to reduce transport related emissions.
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I think it's clear that Bill Dog's primary objective here is not to discuss the topic -- specifically, what's new in electric scooters and motorcycles -- but instead is intent on sowing fear, uncertainty, and doubt (aka FUD) into the conversation at every opportunity. This is a classic (and very transparent) attempt at concern trolling, and I will not stand for it.

I would also remind Bill Dog that he is on double-secret probation, and I have a very, very low tolerance for misbehavior from him. Further attempts at being a boor will be met with a permanent ban.
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And Elio taught people why NOT to pre order.
I had a few friends who went down that dirty road.
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EVs are seen as key in transition to low-carbon economy, but as their human and environmental costs become clearer, can new tech help?
https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2021/nov/26/battery-power-five-innovations-for-cleaner-greener-electric-vehicles
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Where I live, these NIU scooters are crazy popular. They are _everywhere_. But they are the rather slow, cheap looking.. ones that teenagers mostly ride.. But I had a look and they just released this:

https://electrek.co/2021/11/23/niu-launches-its-fastest-electric-scooter-ever-plus-new-hybrid-gas-electric-scooter-and-more/

Vespa needs to get a move on.
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Where I live, these NIU scooters are crazy popular. They are _everywhere_. But they are the rather slow, cheap looking.. ones that teenagers mostly ride.. But I had a look and they just released this:

https://electrek.co/2021/11/23/niu-launches-its-fastest-electric-scooter-ever-plus-new-hybrid-gas-electric-scooter-and-more/
It's not the worst looking scooter I've ever seen. It's got nice lines, at least.
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It's not the worst looking scooter I've ever seen. It's got nice lines, at least.
I do like the hybrid idea. Our here in the country we need a transitional step in our march to all electric.

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Where I live, these NIU scooters are crazy popular.
NIU is also developing specs that are getting a lot closer to what the marketplace actually wants in terms of speed and range - and at prices that keep them competitive. They are a manufacturer to watch.
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The Elettrica was available as a hybrid version .
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The Elettrica was available as a hybrid version .
The MP3 was available as a hybrid as well. Not much interest though. Too much money, and not enough scooter.
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The Elettrica was available as a hybrid version .
Didn't know that. Got a link to it?

Also would be contrary to the name 🙃
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No such thing. There was never a hybrid version Vespa, only the MP3...
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Try Googling Elettrica X .
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Try Googling Elettrica X .
https://amcn.com.au/editorial/hybrid-piaggio-elettrica-x/

Interesting. Suspect it hasn't actually been released just shown at trade shows
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It was released but discontinued
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Try Googling Elettrica X .
And it's not a hybrid...
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And it's not a hybrid...
From the article i linked
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That's because the self-same brushless electric motor in it will be paired with an air-cooled 100cc two-valve four-stroke combustion engine with belt-driven sohc
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Never got into production. Only a prototype...
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Only handful of those Vespa Elettrica X hybrids were sold by Piaggio, mainly Italy and Euro mainland.

Now their owners are demanding little fortune on second hand markets due to their uniqueness and scarcity, and there are hard-core collectors buying those.

But from the Piaggio's point of view it was a commercial flop.
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I would have bought an Elettrica X if it had been available with the L3 spec .
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If the X had been released in any significant numbers there would be oil threads here. Lots of oil threads.
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If the X had been released in any significant numbers there would be oil threads here. Lots of oil threads.
Now now mate, play nice.
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Looking at those NIU's closer after posting, and also their prices here locally and seriously, we are very close to something very useful.

I adore that it has two easily removable batteries. I live in a triplex on the top floor and there's nowhere to charge anything outside unless I run one long extension cord out the window across the sidewalk which clearly isn't going to happen.

So being able to bring your battery inside to charge at home or at work is very well thought out.

C'mon Vespa.. Get on it !
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What turned me off the NIU MQi with two batteries is the size of the charger plus splitter. The whole assembly takes way too much space.
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Not a bike or scoot but more on the future energy for transport

Green trains on their way to power one of the world's most abundant mining regions
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-12-29/hydrogen-powered-freight-trains-north-west-minerals-province/100728682

Australian rail company Aurizon has partnered with British mining giant Anglo American to replace diesel trains with hydrogen in the North West Minerals Province in Queensland.
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Also on the hydrogen front:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-59722297
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The African nation aiming to be a hydrogen superpower
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https://arstechnica.com/cars/2022/01/hyundai-stops-engine-development-and-reassigns-engineers-to-evs/
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