Tue Nov 23, 2021 12:44 pm

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Tue Nov 23, 2021 12:44 pm linkquote
steelbytes wrote:
Pass me some of that laughing gas mate, don't be a Grinch.
Tue Nov 23, 2021 6:36 pm

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Tue Nov 23, 2021 6:36 pm linkquote
Bill Dog wrote:
I think that it's so narrow it's not going to have any affect.
Maybe but it really depends on how they they internally route and exhaust the incoming air.

The rigid, rectilinear and exposed front end parts is in stark contrast to the smooth and aerodynamic enclosed body which makes the entire package disjointed to my eye. The whale-mouth-sized intake grill doesn't integrate well visually with either the front or back end of the bike. But that may just be me. I really applaud the innovative design tho, despite the fact that it's not to my taste.

Miguel
Tue Nov 23, 2021 6:40 pm

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Tue Nov 23, 2021 6:40 pm linkquote
jess wrote:
Yes. It was quite deliberate. And I'm not wrong.
I know being retired and all finances are a bit tight for you, but is server space so expensive that you couldn't use both words?
Tue Nov 23, 2021 7:18 pm

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Tue Nov 23, 2021 7:18 pm linkquote
znomit wrote:
I know being retired and all finances are a bit tight for you, but is server space so expensive that you couldn't use both words?
Fair.
Wed Nov 24, 2021 5:41 am

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Wed Nov 24, 2021 5:41 am linkquote
I think that is the Johammer's strength - It's radical and that pushes it apart from all of the conventional looking bikes in the video.

It makes it more conceptual rather than another modified motorcycle which I'd argue gives it more credibility if you're trying to promote a new form of transport.

Maybe that's where the premium price tag comes from or maybe it's being built in such low volumes it's always going to cost the earth.
Wed Nov 24, 2021 7:24 am

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Wed Nov 24, 2021 7:24 am linkquote
Not a scooter but I need to have one, ordered up...lets see if I dont break any bones/



Wed Nov 24, 2021 8:35 am

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Wed Nov 24, 2021 8:35 am linkquote
boraxman wrote:
Not a scooter but I need to have one, ordered up...lets see if I dont break any bones/
There's an entertaining group here that rides those while playing Frisbee golf.in the park. Looks like fun for someone with good knees.
Wed Nov 24, 2021 3:18 pm

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Wed Nov 24, 2021 3:18 pm linkquote
boraxman wrote:
Not a scooter but I need to have one, ordered up...lets see if I dont break any bones/
I tried one of those out for a few minutes, and quickly gave it back to the owner before I broke any bones.
Thu Nov 25, 2021 6:30 am

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Thu Nov 25, 2021 6:30 am linkquote
boraxman wrote:
Not a scooter but I need to have one, ordered up...lets see if I dont break any bones/
We went to a demo day. Fun, not that hard to get the feel of, but surprisingly hard on one's ankles and lower leg muscles. If I was younger, I'd have seriously considered it.
Thu Nov 25, 2021 9:02 pm

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Thu Nov 25, 2021 9:02 pm linkquote
What happens if the sales of EV's and Hybrids increase but it had no measurable effect on global temperatures or emissions ?

What would the next strategy be ?
Thu Nov 25, 2021 10:18 pm

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Thu Nov 25, 2021 10:18 pm linkquote
Bill Dog wrote:
What happens if the sales of EV's and Hybrids increase but it had no measurable effect on global temperatures or emissions ?

What would the next strategy be ?
Hi Bill

The consensus from scientists seems to be limiting emissions now until be figure out how to best remove the excess carbon from the atmosphere, which will probably be 30 years away in significant scale. EV and bicycles(ones that you ride to work or the shops, not ones that are put in the back of your massive truck and driven to the MTB park) are a good way to reduce transport related emissions.
Fri Nov 26, 2021 2:04 am




 
Fri Nov 26, 2021 2:04 am
Bill Dog has been ejected from this topic
Fri Nov 26, 2021 2:09 am

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Fri Nov 26, 2021 2:09 am linkquote
I think it's clear that Bill Dog's primary objective here is not to discuss the topic -- specifically, what's new in electric scooters and motorcycles -- but instead is intent on sowing fear, uncertainty, and doubt (aka FUD) into the conversation at every opportunity. This is a classic (and very transparent) attempt at concern trolling, and I will not stand for it.

I would also remind Bill Dog that he is on double-secret probation, and I have a very, very low tolerance for misbehavior from him. Further attempts at being a boor will be met with a permanent ban.
Fri Nov 26, 2021 2:52 am

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Fri Nov 26, 2021 2:52 am linkquote
WEB-Tech wrote:
And Elio taught people why NOT to pre order.
I had a few friends who went down that dirty road.
Fri Nov 26, 2021 7:28 am

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Fri Nov 26, 2021 7:28 am linkquote
Quote:
EVs are seen as key in transition to low-carbon economy, but as their human and environmental costs become clearer, can new tech help?
https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2021/nov/26/battery-power-five-innovations-for-cleaner-greener-electric-vehicles
Sun Nov 28, 2021 4:56 am

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Sun Nov 28, 2021 4:56 am linkquote
Where I live, these NIU scooters are crazy popular. They are _everywhere_. But they are the rather slow, cheap looking.. ones that teenagers mostly ride.. But I had a look and they just released this:

https://electrek.co/2021/11/23/niu-launches-its-fastest-electric-scooter-ever-plus-new-hybrid-gas-electric-scooter-and-more/

Vespa needs to get a move on.
Sun Nov 28, 2021 9:20 am

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Sun Nov 28, 2021 9:20 am linkquote
shampoo wrote:
Where I live, these NIU scooters are crazy popular. They are _everywhere_. But they are the rather slow, cheap looking.. ones that teenagers mostly ride.. But I had a look and they just released this:

https://electrek.co/2021/11/23/niu-launches-its-fastest-electric-scooter-ever-plus-new-hybrid-gas-electric-scooter-and-more/
It's not the worst looking scooter I've ever seen. It's got nice lines, at least.



Sun Nov 28, 2021 9:41 am

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Sun Nov 28, 2021 9:41 am linkquote
jess wrote:
It's not the worst looking scooter I've ever seen. It's got nice lines, at least.
I do like the hybrid idea. Our here in the country we need a transitional step in our march to all electric.

Chris from CLE
Sun Nov 28, 2021 11:09 am

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GTS 300ABS, Buddy 125, Buddy Kick 125
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Sun Nov 28, 2021 11:09 am linkquote
shampoo wrote:
Where I live, these NIU scooters are crazy popular.
NIU is also developing specs that are getting a lot closer to what the marketplace actually wants in terms of speed and range - and at prices that keep them competitive. They are a manufacturer to watch.
Sun Nov 28, 2021 11:32 am

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Sun Nov 28, 2021 11:32 am linkquote
The Elettrica was available as a hybrid version .
Sun Nov 28, 2021 12:05 pm

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Sun Nov 28, 2021 12:05 pm linkquote
Doodlebug10 wrote:
The Elettrica was available as a hybrid version .
The MP3 was available as a hybrid as well. Not much interest though. Too much money, and not enough scooter.
Sun Nov 28, 2021 12:44 pm

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Sun Nov 28, 2021 12:44 pm linkquote
Doodlebug10 wrote:
The Elettrica was available as a hybrid version .
Didn't know that. Got a link to it?

Also would be contrary to the name 🙃

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Sun Nov 28, 2021 12:50 pm

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Sun Nov 28, 2021 12:50 pm linkquote
No such thing. There was never a hybrid version Vespa, only the MP3...
Sun Nov 28, 2021 12:52 pm

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Sun Nov 28, 2021 12:52 pm linkquote
Try Googling Elettrica X .
Sun Nov 28, 2021 12:54 pm

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Sun Nov 28, 2021 12:54 pm linkquote
Doodlebug10 wrote:
Try Googling Elettrica X .
https://amcn.com.au/editorial/hybrid-piaggio-elettrica-x/

Interesting. Suspect it hasn't actually been released just shown at trade shows
Sun Nov 28, 2021 12:55 pm

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Sun Nov 28, 2021 12:55 pm linkquote
It was released but discontinued
Sun Nov 28, 2021 12:55 pm

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Sun Nov 28, 2021 12:55 pm linkquote
Doodlebug10 wrote:
Try Googling Elettrica X .
And it's not a hybrid...
Sun Nov 28, 2021 12:57 pm

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Sun Nov 28, 2021 12:57 pm linkquote
jimc wrote:
And it's not a hybrid...
From the article i linked
Quote:
That's because the self-same brushless electric motor in it will be paired with an air-cooled 100cc two-valve four-stroke combustion engine with belt-driven sohc


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Sun Nov 28, 2021 1:00 pm

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Sun Nov 28, 2021 1:00 pm linkquote
Never got into production. Only a prototype...
Sun Nov 28, 2021 1:00 pm

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Sun Nov 28, 2021 1:00 pm linkquote
Only handful of those Vespa Elettrica X hybrids were sold by Piaggio, mainly Italy and Euro mainland.

Now their owners are demanding little fortune on second hand markets due to their uniqueness and scarcity, and there are hard-core collectors buying those.

But from the Piaggio's point of view it was a commercial flop.
Sun Nov 28, 2021 1:04 pm

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Sun Nov 28, 2021 1:04 pm linkquote
I would have bought an Elettrica X if it had been available with the L3 spec .
Sun Nov 28, 2021 1:22 pm

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Sun Nov 28, 2021 1:22 pm linkquote
If the X had been released in any significant numbers there would be oil threads here. Lots of oil threads.
Sun Nov 28, 2021 1:30 pm

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Sun Nov 28, 2021 1:30 pm linkquote
znomit wrote:
If the X had been released in any significant numbers there would be oil threads here. Lots of oil threads.
Now now mate, play nice.
Sun Nov 28, 2021 3:18 pm

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Sun Nov 28, 2021 3:18 pm linkquote
Looking at those NIU's closer after posting, and also their prices here locally and seriously, we are very close to something very useful.

I adore that it has two easily removable batteries. I live in a triplex on the top floor and there's nowhere to charge anything outside unless I run one long extension cord out the window across the sidewalk which clearly isn't going to happen.

So being able to bring your battery inside to charge at home or at work is very well thought out.

C'mon Vespa.. Get on it !
Mon Nov 29, 2021 4:01 am

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Mon Nov 29, 2021 4:01 am linkquote
What turned me off the NIU MQi with two batteries is the size of the charger plus splitter. The whole assembly takes way too much space.
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