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Still waiting on a visa. My wife has hers, mine is in the ether somewhere.

Can't really make any solid plans until we get solid approval for both of us.
Pulling up stakes and moving to another country is adventurous and ambitious.
You going country or big city in Portugal? Country seems really nice, from the youtube videos I've seen some moving to the country have had problems adjusting to the red tape of getting a drivers license and figuring out the lay of the land while others seem to have integrated seamlessly and are loving it.

I really like where I live in CA but got my eye on Eagle or Meridian area of Idaho. I'd rent there for a year to see if it is a fit and we are hearty enough to withstand winter before buying there or Coeur D' Alene area, kids are super outdoorsy and going into healthcare industry so it just might work.

Also on the radar Prescott, Sedona, Mt Juliet TN, Provo Utah
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Pulling up stakes and moving to another country is adventurous and ambitious.
Yes. And extraordinarily difficult, too.
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You going country or big city in Portugal?
We are determined to live in Porto, Portugal. We have leased an apartment in a nice area near the center of modern Porto -- specifically the Boavista neighborhood.
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I really like where I live in CA but got my eye on Eagle or Meridian area of Idaho. I'd rent there for a year to see if it is a fit and we are hearty enough to withstand winter before buying there or Coeur D' Alene area, kids are super outdoorsy and going into healthcare industry so it just might work.
I hear Idaho has already been ruined by the Californians.
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Kawasaki is now dipping its toe:
I think it's weird that they went with "let's make it look like every other ICE motorcycle".
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I think it's weird that they went with "let's make it look like every other ICE motorcycle".
I have to admit, until you stated that, it didn't register for me that there were doing anything unusual. I wonder if the strategy is literally trying to reuse as much as possible from their current production lines, rather than doing anything "custom". That would probably help scaling and might also make the aftermarket a little richer. (Sadly, Rally Raid Products is still silent on when they'll start releasing mods for the Motocompacto.)
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I wonder if the strategy is literally trying to reuse as much as possible from their current production lines, rather than doing anything "custom". That would probably help scaling and might also make the aftermarket a little richer.
Yeah, this is my guess as well.
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Yes. And extraordinarily difficult, too.



We are determined to live in Porto, Portugal. We have leased an apartment in a nice area near the center of modern Porto -- specifically the Boavista neighborhood.



I hear Idaho has already been ruined by the Californians.
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I think it's weird that they went with "let's make it look like every other ICE motorcycle".
I thought advertising it with a "walk mode" with reverse was even weirder.
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I hear Idaho has already been ruined by the Californians.
Not to worry. After East Oregon secedes, Idaho will be a lovely place again. And roomier.
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I hear Idaho has already been ruined by the Californians.
Northern Idaho has been ruined in a somewhat different way.
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I had the same conundrum as some of these other folks. The electric Vespa/Piaggio were as expensive (or more) than an ICE Vespa or Piaggio. Yet they were basically in the 50cc class of performance. Why would I spend that sort of money on an electric that can't even be safely taken on a 55mph city/county road? The Piaggio 1 Active is basically limited to 35mph in the real world. It's a 'moped' according to the DMV here. But it is twice as expensive as a 50cc Honda Metropolitan, that actually makes more power. Step up to the 70kph Electtrica, and you're spending GTS300 money. That's why I eventually wound up with the Primavera 150. If I was going to spend that sort of money, I didn't want to be relegated to 35mph zones close to home. Heck, most of the city stroads around where I live are above 35mph anyway!

Someone at Vespa/Piaggio or BMW or Honda or someone NOT from some unknown company in China needs to come up with an electric scooter that can go: 50+mph for 50+ miles and NOT cost a fortune.

Seriously, if I could have bought an electric that could be safely taken on a 45mph-55mph road without being at full throttle, had a real world range of say 50 miles, and paid something like $6500 out the door, I would have walked into the dealership with my pen in my hand, ready to sign.

But instead, they are one, or a combination, of these things:
Too slow; range is too short; or they are too bloody expensive.

I would like to see a Piaggio 2 Active with a 50 real world range (not crawling at 15mph), a top sustainable speed of at least 50mph, and a price more like a Primavera/Sprint. Do that, and you will steal all sorts of business from the fly-by-night Chinese companies.
Ola from India. The S1 Pro Gen2 fulfills your requirements. Except availability outside India.
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Kawasaki seems to be committed to walking down the electric road, this time with a hybrid:

https://www.bennetts.co.uk/bikesocial/reviews/bikes/kawasaki/ninja-7-hybrid-hev-2024-review
https://www.kawasaki.eu/en/News_and_events/kawasaki--change-the-game--with-new-strong-hybrid-ninja-7-hev.html

I honestly thought the complexity and compromises that one would have to make in such a small format wouldn't work out, but what do I know? While not fully electric, I'm actually very very interested in seeing if this comes over here (US): I've been looking seriously at switching out my BV 350 for a Honda NC750XD and this seems to fill a similar niche. Moreover, and important for me, it has a DCT-like automatic clutch, which is something that I've wanted to see other places besides Honda. I'll guess I'll have to wait for reviews in the spring, but I'm very eager to see where it goes.
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Coming to the U.S. in the new year. https://us.maeving.com/
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Coming to the U.S. in the new year. https://us.maeving.com/
and as usual the specs are naf. slower than a gts
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and as usual the specs are naf. slower than a gts
Less power than my primavera.
No curry hook.
Is that the same rear hub drive we've seen on countless other retro iterations?
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Less maximum power perhaps, but full torque from a standing start. That's the often unsung beauty of an electric drive.
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I replaced my Elettrica with the lower power Maeving, soon to be replaced with the higher power RM1S, even the lower powered model knocked spots off the Elettrica, performance and range wise. Piaggio need to up their game!
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I replaced my Elettrica with the lower power Maeving, soon to be replaced with the higher power RM1S, even the lower powered model knocked spots off the Elettrica, performance and range wise. Piaggio need to up their game!
It's important to keep in mind there are always "ulterior motives" when a manufacturer produces an electric or low emissions vehicle.

Did you know once upon a time Aston Martin sold a rebadged Toyota micro car? They called it the Cygnet. They didn't sell it because they wanted to offer Aston Martin customers a more affordable or lower emissions option. They sold it because of "fleet emissions targets". To put it simply, the entire Aston Martin product line is judged, and they had a bunch of guzzling V12s in the line up, so they add a three cylinder hyper efficient micro car to the mix for the only purpose of bringing down the average and helping them meet fleet emissions targets.

Likewise, other vehicle manufacturers will bring low emission or no emission options not because this is an area that they actually want to compete in but for other reasons like shareholder perception/stock price, branding, fleet emissions targets, etc.

Piaggio may not "need" to up their game at all. The Eletrica may be doing exactly what it's supposed to, simply by existing, regardless of if anyone buys it. Not every vehicle's success is measured in units sold or spec sheets. Food for thought.
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Did you know once upon a time Aston Martin sold a rebadged Toyota micro car? They called it the Cygnet. They didn't sell it because they wanted to offer Aston Martin customers a more affordable or lower emissions option. They sold it because of "fleet emissions targets". To put it simply, the entire Aston Martin product line is judged, and they had a bunch of guzzling V12s in the line up, so they add a three cylinder hyper efficient micro car to the mix for the only purpose of bringing down the average and helping them meet fleet emissions targets.
Oddly enough, I just watched Doug DeMuro's breakdown of the Cygnet a few days ago:

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As I close the door behind me and the darkness surrounds me I face the day with purpose. It's cold; a cold that only December brings. Heat and light are held captive by the winter night.

I turn the key and the darkness is held at bay by the soft glow of the instruments as they inform me all systems are go. Twenty eight degrees. One hundred percent charge. And so it begins.

I know the path well; I can work the hills. The roads are clear and devoid of traffic, but I know I am at the mercy of the lights. It's all in the timing. It's always in the timing.

I flip open my mitten to reveal my fingers and deftly press the buttons to begin playing the soundtrack from "Tron Legacy". It is an appropriate backdrop for my journey. I find the brief loss of heat from my fingers exhilarating, but it is also a solemn reminder of the task ahead of me.

The first part of the journey is uphill. It takes planning and careful thought. My eyes are in a constant state of flux between the road and the gages. A little more here, a little less there. The muscles in my leg performing in a perfect symphony of subtle movements guiding the Chuck Taylor on my right foot a millimeter this way, a millimeter back. The numbers swing in single digits positive to negative as I work every hill, every turn.

I understand the laws governing the conservation of energy. These are immutable laws of physics, and although I cannot break these laws I can push them to their limits.

The light ahead turns red. Feeling the weight of my machine and the slope of the hill I draw my foot back at precisely the right time and the numbers drop again below zero as I coast perfectly to a stop at the intersection. Twenty seven degrees. It's getting colder. My windows remain cracked open to ensure my clear vision. My energy must be reserved for its sole purpose. Not the energy of heat, but rather the energy of motion.

As I get closer to the city more cars begin to appear. Do other drivers also carefully consider these things? Or are they content in their arrogance? As they pass me in the other lane I think to myself, "Go ahead, you wastrels! You will never understand how this 25mph zone can be used to your advantage. Or don't you even care? Go on in your reckless abandon!" And I laugh knowing I will see them at the next intersection.

These thoughts pull the corners of my lips into a smile as I grip the wheel and work the pedals. Twenty six degrees. December is offering me no quarter, but I am not swayed. I am reminded of the words, "He who attacks myst vanquish, but he who defends must merely survive." Bring your best, December. I am prepared.

As I reach the crest of the city I breathe a sigh of relief. Halfway to my destination and I know the advantage is mine. I press forward encouraged, but I do not lose my focus. The obstacles are many and my senses must remain keen until I reach my destination. This is no time for complacency.

The lights work against me, but I am undeterred. It is not a race agains time, but rather a struggle against the laws of thermodynamics. Up one hill and down another I grimace as my percentage drops, but I know I can only minimize the effects by employing razor sharp skills I have honed to perfection.

At the last light I know my destination is just around the corner. The seconds tick by slowly, agonizingly. As the light turns green I fight back the urge to hurry. I know in a matter of moments my efforts will all pay off.

Pulling into my parking space I take a moment to reflect. I know that my battle with December is not over, but I am content knowing I have not been defeated. My shoulders relax and I look at the numbers. They are good. Very good, in fact. I smile and turn the key.
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Twenty seven degrees. It's getting colder. My windows remain cracked open to ensure my clear vision. My energy must be reserved for its sole purpose. Not the energy of heat, but rather the energy of motion.
A wonderful dialogue, but what is the vehicle? Might be an EV, but doesn't sound like a scooter.
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A wonderful dialogue, but what is the vehicle? Might be an EV, but doesn't sound like a scooter.
It is not. But the discussion had drifted in the EV vehicle direction in general anyway.

Also, it should be noted that 27º does not preclude riding.
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I've complained about the lack of imagination when designing electric scoots and motorcycles - as the technology gives a lot of new degrees of freedom.

...and yet, this very tradional looking motorcycle is quite pleasing to the eye.
If Ducati would be pushing out electric bikes, this is how I'd expect them to look like.

Pointless? Mayby. Old fashioned? Heck yeah. But very Italian, very nice.

https://italianvolt.it/it/
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I've complained about the lack of imagination when designing electric scoots and motorcycles - as the technology gives a lot of new degrees of freedom.

...and yet, this very tradional looking motorcycle is quite pleasing to the eye.
If Ducati would be pushing out electric bikes, this is how I'd expect them to look like.

Pointless? Mayby. Old fashioned? Heck yeah. But very Italian, very nice.

https://italianvolt.it/it/
Wow. Doing all the conversions I would be very tempted to buy one.
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Wow. Doing all the conversions I would be very tempted to buy one.
I configured one that is, errr... more properly Italian.
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