Fri Apr 01, 2022 5:47 am

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Fri Apr 01, 2022 5:47 am linkquote
Crazy cool stuff!

70k?!?
Insanity.
Fri Apr 01, 2022 7:05 am

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Fri Apr 01, 2022 7:05 am linkquote
A. I'm glad the moderators didn't just remove it - or alternatively - simply haze me with ham. 🙂
B. Posted to showoff of course - but also 'cause y'all are my peeps and I likely need some input along the way. (cladding/electronics/...)
C. I contracted those pilasters when I built this shack - they are cinder block, but filled with poured concrete and rebar that ties them into a deep poured T shaped footing also rebar reinforced . I used 1/2" (13MM) stainless all thread, about 8-10" deep to mount those plates. I think they will hold a tank - but will keep my eye on it.

Keep the critiques coming.
Might flag something I missed.
And yes - $70K.
West coast craziness.
2X what my parents paid for their entire house.
Even better - 90-120 days, cause the gate guys have so much work they don't seem to give a f*ck if I said yes or no.
Total cost of all components/steel/fancy Italian low profile openers/remotes/safety loops/magnetic locks/wood/screws/fancy epoxy etc. etc. etc. for all is <$10K.
Of course - it is also an excuse to buy a few more nice tools.
Honey - I know its a $500 drill, but look at the money we saved!

Side note - Craig - if it all goes pair shaped - your hired.
Quote:
Solid work there, sir. Should be a cakewalk to stitch those wideframe crumbs back together!
hahaha. Warm up.


Used the mill to cut some slots for those plates - so I can do some 'Justin' once installed.


Back up plan

Fri Apr 01, 2022 7:19 am

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Fri Apr 01, 2022 7:19 am linkquote
charlieman22 wrote:
A. I'm glad the moderators didn't just remove it - or alternatively - simply haze me with ham. 🙂
Ham is a reward, not hazing. The hazing is the journey to get to the ham.
charlieman22 wrote:
B. Posted to showoff of course - but also 'cause y'all are my peeps and I likely need some input along the way. (cladding/electronics/...)
I think at this point it's pretty clear this crowd loves a good project in any form. Keep up the updates

What opener kit did you pick? Are you going for a "smart" opening that ties into your phone, or just old skool RF? You mentioned a magnetic loop. I assume that's for exit auto-opening. What happens if you park on top of it?
charlieman22 wrote:
C. I contracted those pilasters when I built this shack - they are cinder block, but filled with poured concrete and rebar that ties them into a deep poured T shaped footing also rebar reinforced . I used 1/2" (13MM) stainless all thread, about 8-10" deep to mount those plates. I think they will hold a tank - but will keep my eye on it.
How deep are those footings? There's "deep" and there's "Honey, I hung a heavy-ass gate on the fence posts deep."
charlieman22 wrote:
And yes - $70K.
I'm in the wrong line of work.
charlieman22 wrote:
2X what my parents paid for their entire house.
What's most annoying to me about that statement is that our parents all paid that sort of money, and none of them seem to understand that's not what houses cost today.
charlieman22 wrote:
Even better - 90-120 days, cause the gate guys have so much work they don't seem to give a f*ck if I said yes or no.
That's just your neighborhood. People are panicking because of the surge in scooter gangs.
charlieman22 wrote:
Of course - it is also an excuse to buy a few more nice tools.
That's *every* project at this point. I just justified my welder because I'm using it to fabricate a new front axle for my lawn mower, and my wife just agreed, not even any eye rolling or snark. I kinda' didn't know how to respond to that.
Fri Apr 01, 2022 12:22 pm

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Fri Apr 01, 2022 12:22 pm linkquote
nah, there's nothing here that would require any kind of mod intervention. it's like a peek into the life of CM22

if you need another set of hands on the wood portion of it don't hesitate to blow me up. I've done a fair amount of that nonsense. (I'll post a pic later today)

many hands make light work, and the faster you get that done, the faster I can bug you for machine work!
*evil laughter*
Fri Apr 01, 2022 7:34 pm

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Fri Apr 01, 2022 7:34 pm linkquote
chuckle.
This thread is called: Vintage vespa with sidecar.
Ok.
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What opener kit did you pick? Are you going for a "smart" opening that ties into your phone, or just old skool RF? You mentioned a magnetic loop. I assume that's for exit auto-opening. What happens if you park on top of it?
FAAC 390. The mount at the bottom of the pilasters - covered in whole or part by some greenery. arm will connect just under the gate so it will be right down at the bottom. Should be pretty subtle. Pic below.
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You mentioned a magnetic loop. I assume that's for exit auto-opening. What happens if you park on top of it?
yup. it will fall under where the gates swing and just beyond - and be set as a "shadow loop" I think. Gates won't open with something metal in their path. Or - I could do a "reverse loop" that reverses the gate directions if something is over it. See diagram below. They are all the same detector - but you flip some dip-switches or something in the box to tell it how you want it to behave. Down boy. Down!

Hook up:
I have a conduit from phone line in house - to wall out front - that I put there 17 years ago.
But I don't want to have to bother. Pedestrian gate will use a ring doorbell instead, that will mount in an electrical box that I mounted flush in the wall also as a future 17 years ago... Sometimes my projects get sidetracked...

App on phone will open gates - or good old fashioned button on car visor.
Was glad to see you post - gonna need some help figuring this all out... 🙂
That ring system is made to operate with gates.
Am sure it will give me some good functionality.
App will do the rest.
Should probably mount a hidden button somewhere now that I think about it so I can just open the damn gates.

Footings - which keep in mind - run 40' in one direction and 5 in the other - are 18 or 24" deep and T shaped - I think. Frankly can't recall. Used engineered drawings provided by city. #4 rebar. Pilasters add width. They aren't going anywhere.
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That's just your neighborhood. People are panicking because of the surge in scooter gangs
haha. believe me - they know who I am...

Greasy - you can hit me up for some machining - but not until I have all my honey do's complete. On a crash corse for the next 6 weeks.


Ring that connects to gates. box goes in the gates control box. suspect I have to hook some wires up. 🙂


Openers. The subtle Eye Talyan ones I mentioned.


Shadow loop only would solve any parking on top of the loop issues. Most likely the config I will use.

Sat Apr 02, 2022 5:39 am

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Sat Apr 02, 2022 5:39 am linkquote
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Openers. The subtle Eye Talyan ones I mentioned.
Hmmm... I kinda liked the red skateboard aesthetic... reliable, inexpensive, and they add just a touch of flare.
Sat Apr 02, 2022 5:54 am

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Sat Apr 02, 2022 5:54 am linkquote
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Hmmm... I kinda liked the red skateboard aesthetic... reliable, inexpensive, and they add just a touch of flare.
I'm also Team Skateboard. I bet they also live up to the neighbors' expectations, too.

I hope the instructions for your opener weren't written by the same guy who does Pinasco's instructions.

So if you're using the Ring, I assume you're going to be dealing with parallel systems, one for the "doorbell" and one for the gate, which is not a big deal, just might be minimally irritating.

The Shadow Loop as a safety system actually makes pretty good sense. I'm surprised there isn't an IR option to detect non-car-sized things, but that may be too susceptible to sunlight or other environmental interference.

Also, get used to the Amazon, UPS, etc. drivers just chucking your packages over the gate. Expediency+DGAF==airtime.
Sat Apr 02, 2022 6:20 am

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Sat Apr 02, 2022 6:20 am linkquote
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I'm also Team Skateboard. I bet they also live up to the neighbors' expectations, too.

I hope the instructions for your opener weren't written by the same guy who does Pinasco's instructions.

So if you're using the Ring, I assume you're going to be dealing with parallel systems, one for the "doorbell" and one for the gate, which is not a big deal, just might be minimally irritating.

The Shadow Loop as a safety system actually makes pretty good sense. I'm surprised there isn't an IR option to detect non-car-sized things, but that may be too susceptible to sunlight or other environmental interference.

Also, get used to the Amazon, UPS, etc. drivers just chucking your packages over the gate. Expediency+DGAF==airtime.
Never thought about deliveries, besides flying delivery express. Do you have a drop box or something to put packages in?
Sat Apr 02, 2022 7:11 am

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Sat Apr 02, 2022 7:11 am linkquote
Hmmm - may need to consider delivery needs.
Think Ring is my new doorbell - and I will be able to release the pedestrian gate from my phone.
The irony here - is that I don;'t believe in locking my shit up.
People could just break the window - then I would have to replace the damn glass!

If honest - this whole thing is being driven by a house value thing.
Gates here are a thing.
Perhaps I will have the gates open on time (have to see if thats possible) and just have them open unless I hit shut.
Then they can be pretty - but not obtrusive.

The part fo the gate thing I kinda like the idea of - is the ability to expand my garage into the driveway without having my crap lying in front of every passerby as I go to the hardware store... again... for the third time in a day...

Ok - all the electronic guru's have weighed in.
This is a good thing.
Gonna need yall's help along the way.
Think I will try and install all the electronics just sitting on the driveway and see if I can get it to work - before I start burying conduit and screwing them to walls.

BTW - CM - there is a cat eye that sits just in front of the gate - that keeps them from closing if something/someone is where they could get pinched.
That would go with the loop as a double means to avoid the milachy crunch of one of my cars.
Tue Apr 12, 2022 5:01 am

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Tue Apr 12, 2022 5:01 am linkquote
Ok, it's been over a week. Have you purchased a laser cutting table yet?
Tue Apr 12, 2022 5:14 am

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Tue Apr 12, 2022 5:14 am linkquote
I'm guessing he'll start with a plasma cutter, then move up to the cutting laser once he's confirmed it's not precise enough for his purposes
Tue Apr 12, 2022 5:36 am

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Tue Apr 12, 2022 5:36 am linkquote
Well - there have been a few purchases - it's tru.
Y'all are gonna love one of them.
Should be here in a week.

Mean time - I've made some progress - though slower than I would like.
Both gates on the first drive are hung.
Just waiting for the magnetic locks to arrive today - so I can mount them.
Then I'll pull them again and get quote from powder coater.
Otherwise - will just have them primed.

Fabricated some mounts for the motor - on the lower hinge plate.
That way - any adjustments I make keep the motor and arm in line with the bottom of the gate rather than skewing it.
Few pics below


Row of welds. Getting quicker and more skilled from the repeating process


Weld of the day. Gold hue means very little oxidation. These should be 100 year gates.


Threaded stainless steel mounts for the motor casing to bolt on to


Gates mounted and awaiting magnetic lock fitting. That way, when closed, the wind won't mess with the motors.

Tue Apr 12, 2022 5:39 am

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Tue Apr 12, 2022 5:39 am linkquote
Looking awesome!

Not as awesome as it would with the skateboards, but it's your house...
Tue Apr 12, 2022 6:25 am

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Tue Apr 12, 2022 6:25 am linkquote
Sweet. I'd pay 70 grand for those gates.
Tue Apr 12, 2022 6:28 am

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Tue Apr 12, 2022 6:28 am linkquote
I have his address. Once he finishes them and leaves town again, I'll hook you up for $60k.
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Tue Apr 12, 2022 6:36 am linkquote
Hard out loud laugh
Tue Apr 12, 2022 6:37 am

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Tue Apr 12, 2022 6:37 am linkquote


Similar, but I'd try to be a little more gentle--I don't want SoCal paying $60k for a couple of scraped up gates, after all!
Tue Apr 12, 2022 11:34 am

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Tue Apr 12, 2022 11:34 am linkquote
chandlerman wrote:


Similar, but I'd try to be a little more gentle--I don't want SoCal paying $60k for a couple of scraped up gates, after all!
nice of him to mount the motors on the same bracket. Looks like it's 8 nuts per gate and off you go.
Tue Apr 12, 2022 12:20 pm

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Tue Apr 12, 2022 12:20 pm linkquote
hot damn! looking good in the hood man!

meanwhile... I'm over here all ghetto AF with my gate situ (SD John & GL can attest)

if PC is $$$ may I suggest engine enamel? it's tough as balls and cheap as shit. VHT brand makes some niiiicccceee stuff but freekin' vato zone bargain basement works. just no "brake caliper paint" it chips like a MOFO and sucks for UV

I'm a dedicated cheapskate so I'd probably go that route or just roll it with rustolem industrial.
Tue Apr 12, 2022 12:27 pm

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Tue Apr 12, 2022 12:27 pm linkquote
Make sure to get a clear powder coating as well. It will make the orange base color last longer.
Tue Apr 12, 2022 2:09 pm

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Tue Apr 12, 2022 2:09 pm linkquote
whodatschrome wrote:
Make sure to get a clear powder coating as well. It will make the orange base color last longer.
Tue Apr 12, 2022 2:13 pm

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Tue Apr 12, 2022 2:13 pm linkquote
He should make sure it's a nice, thick powder coat, too. I don't want SoCal calling me up demanding I come do warranty work on his new gates the first time it rains and they start rusting.
Tue Apr 12, 2022 6:08 pm

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Tue Apr 12, 2022 6:08 pm linkquote
Thank god I posted this project.
I knew I would need help along the way.
Y'all cracked me up.

Mounting the motor to the hinge plates = arm always remains aligned, even if I adjust angle of gate.
Also - as noted - making it easier to steel the entire gate and operator in one.

Questions I have is:
- will my liquid nails/construction glue stick to powder coat?
- just how much are they going to charge me to powder coat that these things.

Still chuckling about orange.
Indeed.
Tue Apr 12, 2022 6:15 pm

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Tue Apr 12, 2022 6:15 pm linkquote
I thought we already determined that we weren't powder coating.

That Chevy Orange will add at least 10 HP to your motor, too.
Tue Apr 12, 2022 6:19 pm

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Tue Apr 12, 2022 6:19 pm linkquote
powder coating is on the table.
most will be covered by the wood - but the boxed edge will be exposed and visible 360 degrees.

figured I better start asking more direct questions - lest I get more recommendations for bodge orange with thick clear coat...

option B is to drive them over to Bar Italia and use cold hard cash to get them to spray em with an automotive primer
Tue Apr 12, 2022 6:46 pm

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Tue Apr 12, 2022 6:46 pm linkquote
I'm with Greasy - VHT engine enamel. And it doesn't have to be orange, I guess...
Tue Apr 12, 2022 9:04 pm

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Tue Apr 12, 2022 9:04 pm linkquote
If they were my gates (which they might be someday if things work out with Chandler) I'd either go powdercoat or spray them with a decent single stage. VHT enamel's good stuff but won't hold up outdoors long term.

You can get a cheap Harbor Freight spray gun, a quart of epoxy primer, a quart of single stage in the color of your choice, plus hardener and reducer, for around $150. It'll give you a chance to practice your painting skills.

Powdercoat will be more expensive and you have to haul the gates to and from the shop.

My dos pesos.
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Tue Apr 12, 2022 9:13 pm linkquote
SoCalGuy wrote:
If they were my gates (which they might be someday if things work out with Chandler) I'd either go powdercoat or spray them with a decent single stage. VHT enamel's decent stuff but won't hold up outdoors long term.

You can get a cheap Harbor Freight spray gun, a quart of epoxy primer, a quart of single stage in the color of your choice, plus hardener and reducer, for around $150. It'll give you a chance to practice your painting skills.

Powdercoat will be more expensive and you have to haul the gates to and from the shop.

My dos pesos.
This is good advice, but I opted for this sprayer from Amazon, and a water/oul filter for the air hose.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0046RDW3K
Tue Apr 12, 2022 9:30 pm

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Tue Apr 12, 2022 9:30 pm linkquote
Yep lots of spray guns out there to choose from, really just depends on how much he wants to spend. The good news is this isn't a show car so even an inexpensive HF will do the job.
Tue Apr 12, 2022 9:51 pm

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Tue Apr 12, 2022 9:51 pm linkquote
charlieman22 wrote:
Thank god I posted this project.
I knew I would need help along the way.
Y'all cracked me up.

Mounting the motor to the hinge plates = arm always remains aligned, even if I adjust angle of gate.
Also - as noted - making it easier to steel the entire gate and operator in one.

Questions I have is:
- will my liquid nails/construction glue stick to powder coat?
- just how much are they going to charge me to powder coat that these things.

Still chuckling about orange.
Indeed.
Charlie...Man that gate looks great! One thing is to weld up a simple gate, but creating a gate that's aesthetically pleasing is a whole other story. Nice work!


I welded up a bunch of railing and guardrails for my friend's new house last summer. I had it all powdercoated. Primer, matte black color, and clear for the size of your 2 sections would have cost around $400ish up here in the Portland area. The price of PC went up considerably this past 2 years.

I would think that Liquid Nails would stick to PC. It seems to stick to everything else. Depending upon what you're trying to do, Simpson epoxy might work better?

Pics are some of the stuff I welded up last summer. All of the cable guardrails are built out of .120" and .188" wall 304 stainless. I stuck them together with my spool gun. The other hand railings are .120" wall mild steel. Zero deflection in all the railings. By buddy and his wife are happy with them. My buddy knows that I love orange, so we joked many times to his wife that the railings were to be painted orange.

And FYI, those two sections of cable handrails...one is 10' long and the other is 20' long. Just the material (No labor, no consumables) cost of that 10' long run added up to around $3500 of stainless. Ouch!









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Wed Apr 13, 2022 12:25 am linkquote
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I'm with Greasy - VHT engine enamel. And it doesn't have to be orange, I guess...
I currently only have Hemi orange and Ford blue, so it's like, limited.
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Wed Apr 13, 2022 12:30 am linkquote
charlieman22 wrote:
Questions I have is:
- will my liquid nails/construction glue stick to powder coat?
- just how much are they going to charge me to powder coat that these things.
if black or silver? and they could do it in a batch? probably not too much.

nothing sticks to PC. you'll need to rough it up, which is basically the opposite of what you're trying to do here, man.
Wed Apr 13, 2022 12:33 am

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Wed Apr 13, 2022 12:33 am linkquote
charlieman22 wrote:
powder coating is on the table.
most will be covered by the wood - but the boxed edge will be exposed and visible 360 degrees.

figured I better start asking more direct questions - lest I get more recommendations for bodge orange with thick clear coat...

option B is to drive them over to Bar Italia and use cold hard cash to get them to spray em with an automotive primer
ehh, they'll fit in the side car right? we can hang them out back and blow 'em down quick and dirty. I'm only another like 10min up the road.

*grins*
Wed Apr 13, 2022 5:24 am

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Wed Apr 13, 2022 5:24 am linkquote
SoCalGuy wrote:
You can get a cheap Harbor Freight spray gun, a quart of epoxy primer, a quart of single stage in the color of your choice, plus hardener and reducer, for around $150. It'll give you a chance to practice your painting skills.

This is Ned we are talking about... I see a custom spray booth, with all bells and whistles, anti-static portal, vacuum HVAC, NASA level filtration and start of the art, vintage spray guns restored from the original Studebaker factory. Oh and... he will have done all of this by Friday.
Wed Apr 13, 2022 5:43 am

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Wed Apr 13, 2022 5:43 am linkquote
Birdsnest wrote:
This is Ned we are talking about... I see a custom spray booth, with all bells and whistles, anti-static portal, vacuum HVAC, NASA level filtration and start of the art, vintage spray guns restored from the original Studebaker factory. Oh and... he will have done all of this by Friday.


CM2, for the record, I painted both my scoots with a cheap-ass Amazon HVLP gun and a tiny pancake compressor. I might upgrade both at some point (sitting around waiting for the compressor to catch up suuuuucks), but for your purposes, just enough to do the job will be plenty. Unless you're planning on wet-sanding and detail-finishing the paintwork before attaching the slats.

And it's probably easier for Greasy to haul the stuff to you you than the gates to him, but that's just my way of thinking.

And why not just bolt the wood onto the frame? It'll work better both for longevity and defensive purposes when the peasants storm your 'hood, plus I'll be less likely to lose a slat while I'm dragging them down to SoCal. (I'm always thinking ahead!)
Wed Apr 13, 2022 7:10 am

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Wed Apr 13, 2022 7:10 am linkquote
Having spent many years making metalshop system run, I know what they'd offer yo if these were produced in a factory.

1. Gold Standard = Powdercoat. Cost more, more hassle, lasts a bloody long time. Damn hard to touch up later when inevitably scratched.

2. Paint. Prime, protective coat, and then a topcoat that's UV resistant. Cheaper, tidier, easy to touch up/redo.

The kicker? They almost certainly wouldn't spray them. Metal shops hate spray paint, unless they have their own separate booth.

If you choose not to powdercoat, just go to the paint store, grab a disposable brush and roller, get some good primer, a toughcoat and a UV stabilized topcoat. Spray's great for big curved metal panels, but this is just a structural frame. You'll probably do a better job not spraying. I regularly help my buddy roll/brush paint onto steel frames at his metalshop after hours.

How much of your house was spray painted?

(Oh, and bolt on the wood paneling as well as gluing. The frame/wood will flex and all glue eventually fails with flex. I've used Liquid Nails for all sorts of stuff, including gluing a comms rack to a wall, but it doesn't handle years of vibration)
Wed Apr 13, 2022 7:35 am

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Wed Apr 13, 2022 7:35 am linkquote
God forbid someone searches the group for Koso sensors or endoscopes and end up here!

Powder coat 'em. Wood is a sponge, so you'll likely see rust on your driveway in a few years otherwise. Get lots of quotes. High end would be a primer coat and color. Ask for a few matching touch-up rattle cans.

Glue (don't bolt) the wood to the frame with PL Premium 3X. Bolts will be a rust pathway. Wipe down the powder coat a bit with acetone till you feel a slight drag beforehand...

So what's been your highest CHT so far?
Wed Apr 13, 2022 9:14 am

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Wed Apr 13, 2022 9:14 am linkquote
Quote:
How much of your house was spray painted?
All of it. Just last summer. I don't think they used a single brush or roller.

Agree PC would be the commercial choice, but I'm gonna disagree about rolling paint. Maybe us Yanks are just lazy, but shooting paint is the norm in most metal shops around here, booth or no, they'll do it in the parking lot in back. 5x faster than rolling or brushing multiple coats on multiple angled surfaces, and much nicer finish.

Ned's got a big compressor and room in his yard. Piece of cake.
Wed Apr 13, 2022 4:27 pm

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Wed Apr 13, 2022 4:27 pm linkquote
Ray8 wrote:
Glue (don't bolt) the wood to the frame with PL Premium 3X.
Should add, it will be hell to replace the wood if you use PL.
Something to consider.
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