Mon May 30, 2022 11:04 pm

Jet Eye Master
PX221 MHR, O tuned PX200, PX172 Quattrini and some motorbikes
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Jet Eye Master
PX221 MHR, O tuned PX200, PX172 Quattrini and some motorbikes
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Mon May 30, 2022 11:04 pm linkquote
That's some fancy PORT-al
Mon Jun 06, 2022 10:29 pm

Ossessionato
62 VBB1T Round Tail W/ leaner sidecar
Joined: 26 Jan 2019
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Location: california
 
Ossessionato
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Mon Jun 06, 2022 10:29 pm linkquote
Quote:
That's some fancy PORT-al
here all week.
don't forget to tip your waiter
try the codfish.

🙂

Things starting to take shape here.
Gates are HEAVY - but pilasters haven't tilted - and epoxied bolts remain epoxied.
So far.

You can see the exteria panels - fancy outside MDF - are routed to make em look like T&G.
This is one of two identical sets for a U turn driveway.
Gonna start automation process on Wednesday.
Then paint on Thursday - if everything aligns.
TBD...

Ready to get back to turning wrenches.
Have an idea for my next sidecar - and a wide body frame calling my name.
May be a while yet - but looking forward.



Tue Jun 07, 2022 1:40 am

Sergeant at Arms
Weird 80's Vespas & Cool Vintage Lambrettas
Joined: 21 Oct 2005
Posts: 11332
Location: The state of insanity, SoCal
 
Sergeant at Arms
Weird 80's Vespas & Cool Vintage Lambrettas
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Tue Jun 07, 2022 1:40 am linkquote
hell yeah! looking good!

but before that... *cough* *cough* wanna do some barrel machine work?


*tugs collar*

*presents bottle of mezcal*
Tue Jun 07, 2022 2:22 am

Addicted
PX 200
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Addicted
PX 200
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Tue Jun 07, 2022 2:22 am linkquote
Anticipating some upgrades to the engine…
Tue Jun 07, 2022 5:33 am

Not So Moderator
VNB vsc o9c VMA vbc VSX
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Tue Jun 07, 2022 5:33 am linkquote
charlieman22 wrote:
Gonna start automation process on Wednesday.

Red plastic skateboards!

Seriously... looks amazing.
Tue Jun 07, 2022 5:46 am

Lucky
76 Sprint V, 63 GL, 62 VBB, 05 Stella, 66 Smallstate, 08 Stella (for now)
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Lucky
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Tue Jun 07, 2022 5:46 am linkquote
Birdsnest wrote:
Red plastic skateboards!

Seriously... looks amazing.
And just think how much more amazing it would look with red skateboards!
Tue Jun 07, 2022 6:28 am

Ossessionato
79 P200E (Ruby), 62 Allstate (B-62), 2008 Stella (Olive)
Joined: 11 Jan 2006
Posts: 3037
Location: Florence, OR
 
Ossessionato
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Tue Jun 07, 2022 6:28 am linkquote
With Road Rider Six wheels - trick!

But seriously, that gate is magnificent!
Tue Jun 07, 2022 6:30 am

Lucky
76 Sprint V, 63 GL, 62 VBB, 05 Stella, 66 Smallstate, 08 Stella (for now)
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Lucky
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Tue Jun 07, 2022 6:30 am linkquote
Everyone in the neighborhood would know who you were too--the guy whose gates shred the empty swimming pools.
Tue Jun 07, 2022 6:34 am

Veni, Vidi, Posti
'15 GTS300, '86 PX125EFL, '66 VBB, '04 Ninja 250
Joined: 04 Apr 2013
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Location: San Diego, CA
 
Veni, Vidi, Posti
'15 GTS300, '86 PX125EFL, '66 VBB, '04 Ninja 250
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Tue Jun 07, 2022 6:34 am linkquote
I kind of like the look with the top panel open that you've got on the left of that picture. Bottom panel needs to be filled, looks correct. But the top could go either way and will weigh less open.
Tue Jun 07, 2022 6:39 am

Sergeant at Arms
Weird 80's Vespas & Cool Vintage Lambrettas
Joined: 21 Oct 2005
Posts: 11332
Location: The state of insanity, SoCal
 
Sergeant at Arms
Weird 80's Vespas & Cool Vintage Lambrettas
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Location: The state of insanity, SoCal
Tue Jun 07, 2022 6:39 am linkquote
sdjohn wrote:
I kind of like the look with the top panel open that you've got on the left of that picture. Bottom panel needs to be filled, looks correct. But the top could go either way and will weigh less open.
I'm with john on that. It looks "lighter" without the top panel.

Maybe throw some type of expanded metal or punched out aluminum in there to break it up? That would look slicker than deer guts on a door knob.
Sat Jun 18, 2022 8:43 am

Ossessionato
62 VBB1T Round Tail W/ leaner sidecar
Joined: 26 Jan 2019
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Location: california
 
Ossessionato
62 VBB1T Round Tail W/ leaner sidecar
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Location: california
Sat Jun 18, 2022 8:43 am linkquote
Built/hung/& painted - which sounds like a Village People The Movie title - but refers instead to the gates now adorning my house.

Moving to the wiring now.
This will be interesting...
More on "Ring" and their disfunction at another time - but let's just say - they are making Malossi instructions and customer service look good.
If you call them - you can eventually get a wiring diagram.
But it doesn't include the doorbell portion - because thats "a different group"...
Gracious.

Pleased with how the gates came out.
Painted them my favorite Vespa color.
Off to install motors and start wiring debacle.





Sat Jun 18, 2022 8:50 am

Ossessionato
79 P200E (Ruby), 62 Allstate (B-62), 2008 Stella (Olive)
Joined: 11 Jan 2006
Posts: 3037
Location: Florence, OR
 
Ossessionato
79 P200E (Ruby), 62 Allstate (B-62), 2008 Stella (Olive)
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Sat Jun 18, 2022 8:50 am linkquote
Those look fantastic!

They look like they're just itchin to get tagged. Dooohhhh!
Sat Jun 18, 2022 10:10 am

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Not So Moderator
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Sat Jun 18, 2022 10:10 am linkquote
Better Holmes and Garden.
(…and sidecar)
Sat Jun 18, 2022 10:17 am

Ossessionato
62 VBB1T Round Tail W/ leaner sidecar
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Location: california
 
Ossessionato
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Sat Jun 18, 2022 10:17 am linkquote
Taged, or chained up and dragged down to San Diego to socal
Sat Jun 18, 2022 10:22 am

Ossessionato
79 P200E (Ruby), 62 Allstate (B-62), 2008 Stella (Olive)
Joined: 11 Jan 2006
Posts: 3037
Location: Florence, OR
 
Ossessionato
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Location: Florence, OR
Sat Jun 18, 2022 10:22 am linkquote
charlieman22 wrote:
Taged, or chained up and dragged down to San Diego to socal
I just showed them to my wife - "WOW, those are beautiful!"
Sat Jun 18, 2022 12:04 pm

Lucky
76 Sprint V, 63 GL, 62 VBB, 05 Stella, 66 Smallstate, 08 Stella (for now)
Joined: 16 Jun 2011
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Location: Nashville
 
Lucky
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Sat Jun 18, 2022 12:04 pm linkquote
qascooter wrote:
I just showed them to my wife - "WOW, those are beautiful!"
Sounds like I better get crackin' before they head north to Oregon!
Sat Jun 18, 2022 3:42 pm

bodgemaster
63 GL, 76 Super (x2), 74 Primavera (x2), 79 P200, 06 Fly 150
Joined: 26 Sep 2013
Posts: 6438
Location: So Cal
 
bodgemaster
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Sat Jun 18, 2022 3:42 pm linkquote
Nice, on time and under budget. Those will look great at Casa SoCal. The color's a little off, but I've got an extra gallon of Sherwin Williams trim.

So when you planning to be out of town Ned?
Sat Jun 18, 2022 3:57 pm

Ossessionato
79 P200E (Ruby), 62 Allstate (B-62), 2008 Stella (Olive)
Joined: 11 Jan 2006
Posts: 3037
Location: Florence, OR
 
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Sat Jun 18, 2022 3:57 pm linkquote
SoCalGuy wrote:
Nice, on time and under budget. Those will look great at Casa SoCal. The color's a little off, but I've got an extra gallon of Sherwin Williams trim.

So when you planning to be out of town Ned?
At least wait until he gets the automatic motors rigged up. You don't want to incur that expense!
Sat Jun 18, 2022 4:16 pm

Ossessionato
62 VBB1T Round Tail W/ leaner sidecar
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Location: california
 
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Sat Jun 18, 2022 4:16 pm linkquote
Oh god - this could end ugly.
Alright sleuths.
Need some lectronic's support here something' fierce.

Situation:
Ring sells a kit.
It has the word "Pro" and "X Elite" in it - so I figured it had to be good.
The kit has a fancy version of the ring doorbell you all know - only this one fits flush in a box rather than clunky on the wall.
It also has a "cellular" controller box - that tells things to open.

I have an electronic strike the control box needs to open.
After some searching and calling - I have come to understand - the control box can't handle an electronic strike.
Too many amps I suppose.

I will just pause here for everyone to consider, why did they combine a DOOR BELL, and an OPENER CONTROL BOX, in a kit, if the opener control box doesnt have the power to open a DOOR strike.

Anyway - the solution is to buy a relay - that the controller tells to activate - and in turn activates the strike.
Pausing again to point out that even the f*cking horn makers ship a relay with their HORN - because they expect the button you push to honk it.
I digest.

Ok - so back to my sitee-a-shion.
The "customer service" guy sent me a wiring diagram (below) - not on their web site, not in the box... - and you can see how it gets wired.
They kindly even gave me a brand that works.
"Many people have told me they use..." says the customer service guy.
Oh... I bet they have. ITS A KIT FOR A DOORBELL! WHAT EXACTLY DO YOU THINK THEY ARE USING THE CONTROLLER to CONTROL, AFTER THEY RING THAT BELL?

You can see they recommend an ALTRONICS RB5.
Think is - I don't wanna wait the week - for one of them thingys - so I figured maybe another relay of similar nature might work.
Found one and posted it below.
Anyone have any insights on the likelihood of success, fire, etc?

Bonus question: how could I wire in a momentary button so some pour sole that just wants to LEAVE my property can push the button to release the lock on the way out?


Wiring diagram Ring sent me - clearly I was not the first to call and ask...


Here is an alternate to the suggested relay - that I can get tomorrow.

Sun Jun 19, 2022 11:53 am

Lucky
76 Sprint V, 63 GL, 62 VBB, 05 Stella, 66 Smallstate, 08 Stella (for now)
Joined: 16 Jun 2011
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Location: Nashville
 
Lucky
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Sun Jun 19, 2022 11:53 am linkquote
That relay should work. As an added bonus, it has an opto-electric coupler, so even if someone tried to so something evil like hit the door strike with a tazer to disable it, your system will be protected from it.

and if it doesn't work, you're only out $8 and a day of delay.
Sun Jun 19, 2022 12:37 pm

Lurker
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Location: Belgium
 
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Sun Jun 19, 2022 12:37 pm linkquote
hello,

the "Ring Access Controller Pro 2" doesn`t have the switchable amperage because thats not the intended purpose of the device.
the relay of the control box is rated for 32V / 2 Amp

the control box is just to send a pulse to another control box that operates the gates or doors or....

i can`t seem to find anything about configuring the duration that the control box will send a signal

so the schematic should work, i attached a simplified schematic with pushbutton.
the thing with the pushbutton is that it has no off-delay so if your striker does not have any logic you need to keep pressing the button to be able to open the door.

the relay that you chose should work but i would take or choose a more industrial or known brand.


schematic with generic relay and push button

Mon Jun 20, 2022 8:42 pm

Ossessionato
62 VBB1T Round Tail W/ leaner sidecar
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Location: california
 
Ossessionato
62 VBB1T Round Tail W/ leaner sidecar
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Mon Jun 20, 2022 8:42 pm linkquote
Nasimavoy,
Much appreciated.
Quote:
i can`t seem to find anything about configuring the duration that the control box will send a signal
Thanks for taking a look!
Will be interested to see if this is something that I have control of in the app.
I suspect they bought multiple devices/companies - and tried to integrate it all in the app.
Thanks again for jumping in.
Helpful.
-CM
Tue Jun 21, 2022 2:21 am

Ossessionato
2007 Stella 225
Joined: 02 Nov 2019
Posts: 2684
Location: Rochester, Minnesota
 
Ossessionato
2007 Stella 225
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Tue Jun 21, 2022 2:21 am linkquote
Isn't there a magnetic switch or optical input that says I'm fully open or closed? What about safety interrupts if it hits something unexpected? Using a relay, that system Motor current is isolated and can't monitor motor current and shut off by a spike in current draw. What tells it I opened and hit an obstacle and have to stop? Wouldn't want it banging on front of car endlessly until motor burns out and beats a big dent in something.
Tue Jun 21, 2022 8:11 am

Ossessionato
62 VBB1T Round Tail W/ leaner sidecar
Joined: 26 Jan 2019
Posts: 3179
Location: california
 
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Tue Jun 21, 2022 8:11 am linkquote
Ok - since I have Tom Sawyer'ed the cognoscenti into my escapades - lemme give a brief overview and run down to see if anyone has further input.
I do love a crowd with an opion.
editors note: if Greasy and Chandlerman are seen in my neighborhood with walkie talkies - I expect it means these gates are going south.

Here is the overview.
- There are two driveway openings - each with their own set of swing gates operated by two motors, and held closed with a mag lock. (see editors note above...)
- Christopher - these have both a photo eye, and a sending loop buried that, that in tandem tell the gates not to open or close on my vespa should it be in their path.
- Ea. of these sets of driveway swing gates have their own control box. Diagram below. Inside the box is a "lock" set up that can be NC or NO depending on how you set it. I need these for the mag locks which need to be set to be on all the time unless gate motors activated (opposite of electronic strike so cant use them together).
- Down the middle is a pedestrian gate - with an electronic strike activated by a Ring "access controller pro cellular". This is the unit that sends the signal when told by the App (or an added button) to open the strike (but needs a higher amp relay).

https://support.ring.com/hc/en-us/articles/360037202512-Ring-Access-Controller-Pro-Installer-Instructions

After a number of calls - have learned the following.
Access controller has a 2.5 second timer when activated to hold strike open. Great.
Unfortunately... there is no delay if I add the button as Nasimovy had postulated.

So... the question. what kinda board do I need that would give me a delay between button and relay for strike? What y'all got?!?

Thanks!!!


Weigand is some kind of recording output for key fobs I will never use.

Tue Jun 21, 2022 8:26 am

Lucky
76 Sprint V, 63 GL, 62 VBB, 05 Stella, 66 Smallstate, 08 Stella (for now)
Joined: 16 Jun 2011
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Location: Nashville
 
Lucky
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Tue Jun 21, 2022 8:26 am linkquote
You want some sort of Timer Relay. You trigger it and then it will stay on for some configurable amount of time after the trigger ends.

So if you wanted a ten second window where the strike is disabled and have 2.5 seconds by default from your controller, then you'd set the relay to 7.5 seconds and be good-to go.
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