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But can you lane split?

Probably not.
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But can you lane split?

Probably not.
Why not?
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The Enduro model?! For your street and off-road needs?!

But hey, it has a reverse mode!
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it can't even do 100 miles on a charge.

Thats not even far enough for a lunch ride.
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it can't even do 100 miles on a charge.

Thats not even far enough for a lunch ride.
Nowhere near close to my commute either.
Does it count as a lunch ride if I eat lunch at work?
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Does it count as a lunch ride if I eat lunch at work?
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I suppose, but what fun is that. you know that 4 letter word (work) oh the awfulness of it.
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It's the future guys and I like it! Of course one of my cars is a Prius so I am partial.
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Madison Sully wrote:
Does it count as a lunch ride if I eat lunch at work?
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I suppose, but what fun is that. you know that 4 letter word (work) oh the awfulness of it.
Just putting mustard on a turd I guess.
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Maybe interested with a 300 mile range
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Maybe interested with a 300 mile range
Pity these things are not (yet?) available in Aussie. I would buy one in an instant, but only the petrol version because in my experience electric vehicles and appliances with batteries are a dead loss.
Everyone raves about the 'saving' with electric vehicles until the day they have to replace an expired Li-ion battery, which can happen in as little as two years depending on usage and charging cycles.
And they are very expensive, which makes anything powered by batteries a loss making proposition. I have several battery powered vehicles and appliances and know that 'feel good' does not drive you anywhere.
As the wise man said: "The rumour of the death of the petrol engine is wildly exaggerated!"
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Maybe interested with a 300 mile range
What scooter do you ride that has a 300 miles range?
Hell what motorcycle has a 300 miles range?
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novak0797 wrote:
Maybe interested with a 300 mile range
Pity these things are not (yet?) available in Aussie. I would buy one in an instant, but only the petrol version because in my experience electric vehicles and appliances with batteries are a dead loss.
Everyone raves about the 'saving' with electric vehicles until the day they have to replace an expired Li-ion battery, which can happen in as little as two years depending on usage and charging cycles.
And they are very expensive, which makes anything powered by batteries a loss making proposition. I have several battery powered vehicles and appliances and know that 'feel good' does not drive you anywhere.
As the wise man said: "The rumour of the death of the petrol engine is wildly exaggerated!"
The hybrid batteries have a 10 year 150,000 mile warranty in Ca and 8 year 100,000 mile warranty in other states. So if your hybrid battery dies in 2 years, you get a brand new battery under warranty.

So lets say it's not under warranty any more, the battery costs $1000 (Replacement hybrid batteries range from $1000 to $6000. Figure a scooter is on the low end)
So filing the gas tank at $10 each pays for the battery in 100 fill ups.
A battery should be good for 750-1000 recharges so your numbers are wrong.
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novak0797 wrote:
Maybe interested with a 300 mile range
What scooter do you ride that has a 300 miles range?
Hell what motorcycle has a 300 miles range?
One that I know about---
I've routinely gotten 300-315 miles range on my BMW R1200RT models.
Later model years do it all the time.

And that's not a one off or a rarity. People I talk to, some have claimed 335 miles on a tank on 1200 models as far back as 2007s.
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novak0797 wrote:
Maybe interested with a 300 mile range
What scooter do you ride that has a 300 miles range?
Hell what motorcycle has a 300 miles range?
What electric scooter or motorcycle can be recharged in five minutes at any gas station?
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WEB-Tech wrote:
novak0797 wrote:
Maybe interested with a 300 mile range
What scooter do you ride that has a 300 miles range?
Hell what motorcycle has a 300 miles range?
What electric scooter or motorcycle can be recharged in five minutes at any gas station?
A place where you exchange a battery pack and go on your way.
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WEB-Tech wrote:
novak0797 wrote:
Maybe interested with a 300 mile range
What scooter do you ride that has a 300 miles range?
Hell what motorcycle has a 300 miles range?
What electric scooter or motorcycle can be recharged in five minutes at any gas station?
A place where you exchange batteries and go on your way.

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Hi Mr WEB-Tech, thank you for your comment. So much to 'unpack' as the 'cool' young people tend to say.
My numbers are not wrong as they are borne out by many years of Li-Ion battery usage and subsequent painful hip-pocket expenditure.
800-1000 re-charges is correct as quoted by most battery makers. So if I re-charge my battery after every daily trip, that would be three years max.
What is a hybrid battery anyway? I get this comment of 10-year batteries frequently, but upon further enquiry no-one is able to name a manufacturer of these magic batteries.
And your assertion that petrol not used pays for a new battery negates and makes a mockery of the whole electric vehicle 'saving' fantasy. My supplier of batteries tried to make the same point by saying that: "The cost of the battery covers the cost of the fuel you would have used anyway!"
So, my question is: if there is no saving whatsoever in going electric, why bother in the first place. Plus the inconvenience of re-charge times, plus range anxiety, plus the extra weight, plus the high initial cost of electric vehicles. Sorry, no sale!
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Hi Mr WEB-Tech, thank you for your comment. So much to 'unpack' as the 'cool' young people tend to say.
My numbers are not wrong as they are borne out by many years of Li-Ion battery usage and subsequent painful hip-pocket expenditure.
800-1000 re-charges is correct as quoted by most battery makers. So if I re-charge my battery after every daily trip, that would be three years max.
What is a hybrid battery anyway? I get this comment of 10-year batteries frequently, but upon further enquiry no-one is able to name a manufacturer of these magic batteries.
And your assertion that petrol not used pays for a new battery negates and makes a mockery of the whole electric vehicle 'saving' fantasy. My supplier of batteries tried to make the same point by saying that: "The cost of the battery covers the cost of the fuel you would have used anyway!"
So, my question is: if there is no saving whatsoever in going electric, why bother in the first place. Plus the inconvenience of re-charge times, plus range anxiety, plus the extra weight, plus the high initial cost of electric vehicles. Sorry, no sale!
800-1000 recharge rating is based on full drain and recharge capability not on number of times it can be recharged. It's a industry standard to go by to compare one product to the other.
You can get way more than 1000 recharges.
Do you have a laptop, well if you use it and plug it in every day you would get less then 3 years out of a lap top battery and the same with your cell phone.
Same with an electric vehicle.

A hybrid battery is not a TYPE of battery it is an application for a certain type of battery.
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Is this scooter related? I suppose so. No rules broken then.
I notice there is a thread about electric scooters elsewhere and this discussion should rightfully be part of that. Battery life is not mentioned there at all however, which is curious.
Anyway, a final observation: a new electric bike has been launched in Australia, it's called Super Soco, costs $4990 and is made in Shanghai. They claim 80km range at 'moderate' speed. But the relevant bit is that they specify up to 1000 charging cycles before the $1000 battery needs replacing, and that the only other 'consumables' are tyres and brake pads. (Aussie dollars)
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the e qooder is a concept

the "normal"qooder does have a 400cc 32hp petrol engine

there is also a 3 wheeled version

and there are eralier version the Qudro 3 and 4 with the 323cc engine 21 hp
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