Modern Vespa

SIP claims this is a factory built engine, not an ebay slapped together with parts off the shelf POS.

Has anyone bought one of these? note the vintage style kick start.

Take note it says "Pictures May look different"

Before it went bankrupt LML was selling crate engines, scooter works was selling them among others. Maybe LML or whoever took over in bankruptcy is still producing the engines.

Anyway there is nothing fishy about the SIP offering, as far as I can tell.

They dont have any in stock. yellow means no stock. It says 3/20/2019 delivery. I guarantee that will never get filled. SIP seems to randomly display future stock dates which never materialize for months after on their own product. Given LML is bankrupt, they will probably never get stock on that again if not already in house.

Yeah... the "stock on hand" does not mean they have stock on hand. Which is really annoying. And don't bother trying to ask them when they will have stock back in. The 'ordering department' that the customer service people will need to contact and get back to you clearly never know. The answer seems to always be something like 'can't tell you because the supplier can't tell us so we don't know either'. And then sometime later this item might get deleted. This is not a hold your breath and be patient situation in my experience. It is a source elsewhere or think laterally.

Yep I've found that too.

I don't know where you are located, but you could buy a rebuilt P200 engine in the USA for less than that. Factor in the postage from Germany for a heavy engine and the cost adds up. And it would still just be a 150cc anyway.

I do understand the attraction of "new" though.

Cheaper from where? the only rebuilt p200e engine I can find at all in the us is $2000 shipped

But, it will be way better in all aspects, than buying and Indian made engine...

From someplace like scoot.net, or Bookface scooter classifieds, or Craigslist, or maybe HERE, or your local scooter community...

So...I tell someone all the practical information on how to not spend $2k buying a motor,
he repeatedly accuses me of calling him "stupid", and I repeatedly say that I never used that word.....and then *I* get ejected from the topics?

WOW...now THAT is stupid.

NotAutomatic has been ejected from this topic

you know what's REALLY stupid is being banned three times and coming back with the same argumentative dick-head attitude.

get a grip. get a life. get a clue.

xo
-g

This post really put me over the edge as far as making the decision on buying a beautifully restored P200E engine for my beautifully restored VBB.

No matter what I get done to my present LML engine or no matter how good this factory built LML engine may be, it will still always be an India made engine.

Now my bike will always have a genuine Piaggio P200e engine instead.

Thanks SaFiS!

I applaud your decision to get a good Piaggio engine and reject the Indian crap.

In addition, Sometimes it's easier and better to just pay the higher cost of something you know is going to be right rather than f**ck around with people saying this or that about what they have in their back yards, then driving miles to look at a what ends up being a rusty boat anchor that needs a rebuild.

I am confused by this... overall, yes, I would agree that indian parts are not great, BUT, as far as ive read.. LML was the actual factory for Vespa PX for over a decade before the end of the line, and for another 10 or so years after Vespa ended their production. So if the Vespa PX was made in India, and was quality product for those 10 or more years, and LML just continued making the same exact bike for another 10 years with the same machinery.. then the LML stella is as good as Vespa by default. Now I know that things like electrical weren't. But some of these parts have to be equal to their "italian made" equivalent. Otherwise then all those years of the Vespa PX manufactured in India would be a bunch of crap bikes. no?

EDIT: I'm not being a smarta$$.. I missed all the nonsense earlier in thread that seems to be deleted. Im genuinely confused by this conflict of information. Were there certain parts in the original Vespa LML produced bikes that were always made in Italy, that were then recreated in India after the split from Vespa? If so, what parts were always created in Italy, and what were created in India from the start? Seems to be the engine would be something always made in india for the original Vespa PXs when they had a partnership?

I agree with greasy 125. You've been banned three times. Should not be allowed back on the forum. "Two much fun" had a good thread going until this
F-king idiot took over. Shame on tradspa too...for letting it get that far. Scott

True factory built LML motors are good, the ones selling on Ebay for $699 are not. Whats happening is ebay sellers are assembling the engines themselves and they dont test run them or set the timing, they damage engines and dont tell people, they leave parts off...etc

SIP is out of stock on factory LML motors and since LML is closed down, I dont see how SIP is ever going to have any again, and i'm out of time.

Sorry. i'll ignore him from now on.

No worries....just not good for the forum. Best like you said...just to ignore. Have a good one. Scott

hey i've got shelf after shelf of that kinda stuff! c'mon by and i'll make you a bulk deal! after one engine i start discounts by the pound, including frames!

-g

Might be a good option, if you're still looking for an engine.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Piaggio-Vespa-200cc-PX-P-Stella-Engine/183733098859?hash=item2ac758996b:g:unEAAOSwV-lcjTnY

That engine is built on Pinasco cases. Weren't there a few people having issues with those cases not being machined correctly?

I think it was Safis and / or Freakmoped who said the Pinasco cases are pretty much lashed up crap.

I have no experience of them myself but the thread on here about Pinasco kits a month or two back would suggest that Pinascos thinking and quality control leaves quite a bit to be desired so it would come as little surprise.

I'm glad i didnt waste more time waiting for the 20th to come, they should just take the posting down. They'll never have these engines agan.