Fri Apr 02, 2021 2:14 pm

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P125x (4KW Hub Motor)
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Fri Apr 02, 2021 2:14 pm linkquote
Nothing picture worthy. I replaced the front brake shoe set, stiffened the seat prop rod and added some protection to the battery to prevent chafing.
Wed Apr 14, 2021 3:07 pm

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P125x (4KW Hub Motor)
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Wed Apr 14, 2021 3:07 pm linkquote
Several rides, nothing bad to report. My friend rode it and loved it, so that is good. Well over 100 miles now.

So, EmVeeTee made me some 3D printed badges and I painted them up. Fortunately he gave me his test badges so I could play with sanding and painting them.

Black spray paint first, then silver brush on.









Test fitted one of the test pieces. I used 3M trim tape with a heat gun conform it to fit the legshield.


Once dry I will put on the final good badge.
Wed Apr 14, 2021 5:56 pm

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2003 Stella (2T) 4kW Electric Conversion
Joined: 31 Aug 2020
Posts: 22
Location: Salt Lake City, UT
 
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2003 Stella (2T) 4kW Electric Conversion
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Posts: 22
Location: Salt Lake City, UT
Wed Apr 14, 2021 5:56 pm linkquote
Nice!
Those look great! Nice painting.
Thu Apr 15, 2021 2:57 am

Molto Verboso
2007 Stella 225
Joined: 02 Nov 2019
Posts: 1782
Location: Rochester, Minnesota
 
Molto Verboso
2007 Stella 225
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Posts: 1782
Location: Rochester, Minnesota
Thu Apr 15, 2021 2:57 am linkquote
Like it, you can try a ink roller also for the silver.



https://www.indianmotorcycles.net/threads/frame-indian-embossed-emblem-painted.16409/
Thu Apr 15, 2021 2:56 pm

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P125x (4KW Hub Motor)
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Thu Apr 15, 2021 2:56 pm linkquote
Christopher_55934 wrote:
I tried a variety of soft to firm rollers, but even sanded it was not a good finish. A brush came out best.





Still, it looks good to me, and the bike is a decent 5-10 footer.
Sat Apr 17, 2021 4:34 pm

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vespa p200e
Joined: 17 Apr 2021
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Location: Sackville New Brunswick
 
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vespa p200e
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Location: Sackville New Brunswick
Sat Apr 17, 2021 4:34 pm linkquote
Jim, could you talk a bit about how you registered your bike? I'm in Canada and we have different rules for bikes and motorcycles. I was following your thread on endless sphere.

I have a p200e I recently bought without motor that I plan to convert to electric. I'm wondering what your top speed is and once you figured out the swing arm, how hard would it be to get an experienced welder to put one together. I'd be looking at your drawings for sure.
Sat Apr 17, 2021 8:38 pm

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Sat Apr 17, 2021 8:38 pm linkquote
Pitou67 wrote:
Jim, could you talk a bit about how you registered your bike? I'm in Canada and we have different rules for bikes and motorcycles. I was following your thread on endless sphere.

I have a p200e I recently bought without motor that I plan to convert to electric. I'm wondering what your top speed is and once you figured out the swing arm, how hard would it be to get an experienced welder to put one together. I'd be looking at your drawings for sure.
I am fortunate that I registered the bike before I converted it. That said, in VA, the 1981 is considered an antique, so no inspection needed, therefore no need to declare it an electric motorcycle. Even if I did declare it, VA law says it is a scooter, considered under 50cc, so no need to license it as a Motorcycle.

The swingarm is not overly complicated, once you figure out the needed dimensions.

Not to scale, but accurate:


My top speed so far was 62mph, but I can only prove 60mph
Sun Apr 18, 2021 5:27 am

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vespa p200e
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Location: Sackville New Brunswick
 
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vespa p200e
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Location: Sackville New Brunswick
Sun Apr 18, 2021 5:27 am linkquote
I'm reading up on our laws, and I'm not sure it can be done so easily. The fact it has no motor as is may make it difficult. Conversions need to be signed off by an engineer. We also need inspections every two years.

Would you say the cost to convert is much more than finding and restoring a working motor? I feel like the wiring is ok on this, as it looks like the only thing done to the bike was removal of the motor.

It was a great price at 350$ cad so I couldnt refuse it.

My main experience is bicycles, ebikes and ebike scooters.
Sun Apr 18, 2021 4:39 pm

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Sun Apr 18, 2021 4:39 pm linkquote
Pitou67 wrote:
I'm reading up on our laws, and I'm not sure it can be done so easily. The fact it has no motor as is may make it difficult. Conversions need to be signed off by an engineer. We also need inspections every two years.

Would you say the cost to convert is much more than finding and restoring a working motor? I feel like the wiring is ok on this, as it looks like the only thing done to the bike was removal of the motor.

It was a great price at 350$ cad so I couldnt refuse it.

My main experience is bicycles, ebikes and ebike scooters.
Different country, or even state, different rules. In most US states a 1981, or any bike over 25 years old is considered an antique and does not require inspections.

As for cost, I am confident that buying a 2 stroke motor, rebuilding it completely, and adding any missing parts, would be less than an electric conversion.

That said, it would just be another Vespa. It really depends on what you are looking to get from it. If I were you I would talk to your inspectors and engineers and see what they would require to make it legal.
Sun Apr 18, 2021 4:42 pm

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Sun Apr 18, 2021 4:42 pm linkquote
Added one more badge:

Sun May 02, 2021 2:36 pm

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Sun May 02, 2021 2:36 pm linkquote
Made some changes that _Gonzo_ suggested, and I went through the Kelly manual and made a ton of adjustments, including his suggestions.

All I can say is holy shit. It is a rocket off the line now, even with my fat ass on it, and no odd noises. No time today for an extended ride, but I am betting it will go even faster than 62mph, and get better miles. It is 100% improved, and way more fun to ride. It nearly pulled itself out of my hands the first time I nailed the throttle. NOT exaggerating!

Thanks so much for your help -Gonzo_!

I recorded the new settings, and will display them for all soon.
Sun May 02, 2021 3:25 pm

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Sun May 02, 2021 3:25 pm linkquote









Sun May 02, 2021 4:04 pm

Molto Verboso
2006 LX150 (carbed) | 2007 GT200
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Location: Toronto
 
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2006 LX150 (carbed) | 2007 GT200
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Location: Toronto
Sun May 02, 2021 4:04 pm linkquote
Nice to hear this update. Very cool of you to share knowledge and configuration details. 8)
Thu May 06, 2021 7:38 am

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'66 Sears Cruisaire Smallframe
Joined: 12 Aug 2019
Posts: 94
Location: York, PA
 
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'66 Sears Cruisaire Smallframe
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Location: York, PA
Thu May 06, 2021 7:38 am linkquote
Wow, very cool! I used to work for a company that makes swimming pool vacuums and they had a fleet of 3D printers for making prototypes. To make them waterproof, we would mist the 3D printed parts in methyl ethyl ketone, which slightly melts the top surface of the plastic and turns that grainy layered print pattern into a smooth shiny surface. You can achieve the same effect by putting some fingernail polish remover in the bottom of a jar, putting the jar on a hot plate, and suspending the part in the jar for a minute of two.
Thu May 06, 2021 4:44 pm

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Thu May 06, 2021 4:44 pm linkquote
r_fostoria wrote:
Wow, very cool! I used to work for a company that makes swimming pool vacuums and they had a fleet of 3D printers for making prototypes. To make them waterproof, we would mist the 3D printed parts in methyl ethyl ketone, which slightly melts the top surface of the plastic and turns that grainy layered print pattern into a smooth shiny surface. You can achieve the same effect by putting some fingernail polish remover in the bottom of a jar, putting the jar on a hot plate, and suspending the part in the jar for a minute of two.
Interesting concept!

Thanks!
Sun May 09, 2021 1:48 pm

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Sun May 09, 2021 1:48 pm linkquote
Finally had a chance to get in another ride. It was a beautiful day around the city, so I puttered around, trying not to go WFO on every take off from start.

Start Stats:




Stop for fun:


End stats:




42% battery use at 21 miles. No reason I can't do 40 miles on a charge. I wasn't overly gentile, and you can see that I did a nice average, and though I wasn't going for top speed, I still did 56mph, just puttering around town.

Overall I am quite happy with the results. Smooth and quiet, and plenty of power.
Fri May 21, 2021 1:33 pm

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Fri May 21, 2021 1:33 pm linkquote
Replaced this, which barely worked:


with this, that works much better. Everything is correct except I have not reset the battery percentage yet.



By attaching it here and feeding the wires forward, the hardest part.


Most is hidden by this.



This thing is a ton of fun around town, easily keeping up with DC and VA traffic.
Fri May 21, 2021 10:44 pm

Ossessionato
62 VBB1T Round Tail W/ leaner sidecar
Joined: 26 Jan 2019
Posts: 2361
Location: california
 
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62 VBB1T Round Tail W/ leaner sidecar
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Location: california
Fri May 21, 2021 10:44 pm linkquote
Very cool Jim.
Looks good and work is tidy.
Looks like the perfect grocery getter - and what a change from what you bought to restore.
Sat May 22, 2021 1:11 am

Jet Eye Master
PX221 MHR, O tuned PX200, PX125 and some motorbikes
Joined: 14 Jun 2017
Posts: 2869
Location: London UK
 
Jet Eye Master
PX221 MHR, O tuned PX200, PX125 and some motorbikes
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Location: London UK
Sat May 22, 2021 1:11 am linkquote
Amazed how well this turned out. Hate it but can appreciate all the time and effort. The piles of cash and lots of studying shows.
Is actually pretty cool and not slow at all. Others will follow.
Sat May 22, 2021 6:59 am

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P125x (4KW Hub Motor)
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Location: Alexandria, VA
 
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Sat May 22, 2021 6:59 am linkquote
charlieman22 wrote:
Very cool Jim.
Looks good and work is tidy.
Looks like the perfect grocery getter - and what a change from what you bought to restore.
Thanks, it has been fun. I am sure I am not done. I am already thinking second battery for more range and a disc front brake.
Sat May 22, 2021 7:00 am

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Sat May 22, 2021 7:00 am linkquote
Jack221 wrote:
Amazed how well this turned out. Hate it but can appreciate all the time and effort. The piles of cash and lots of studying shows.
Is actually pretty cool and not slow at all. Others will follow.
Definitely not for everyone, but there has been a lot of interest on other forums. Money wise, more than rebuilding the original motor. I have $3200 in it, including the bike and selling the motor. Not too bad. I have seen a couple go for north of $5K after conversion.
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