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Looks like I got a metal sliver / shard in the tread on my rear Michelin City Grip tire. They have less than 800 miles. Is it possible to repair? If so, can a regular tire shop do it? How much might it cost?
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It is possible, and there are a lot of people on this forum who would repair it if it was on their own bike.
Most bike shops in the US won't repair it, because if the plug or patch fails, and something happens because of that, your attorney will get 40% of whatever they own. |
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It is easily repaired using a mushroom plug.
You need to remove the tire from the rim. The metal shard is removed and the area inside around the hole is roughened using a rotary file to improve the grip of the plug. Adhesive is applied to the inside surface and the plug is inserted from inside the tire, pulled through and the patch pressed down with a roller. The stem of the patch protrudes through the tire and is trimmed off flush with the tread after re-fitting to the rim. The wheel needs to be re-balanced after repair. This is a permanent repair. The sticky rubber worms are only temporary repairs. |
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Fudmucker wrote: The sticky rubber worms are only temporary repairs. The tire itself is just a temporary replacement of the last one, and will only last until the next one.
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Fudmucker wrote: It is easily repaired using a mushroom plug. You need to remove the tire from the rim. The metal shard is removed and the area inside around the hole is roughened using a rotary file to improve the grip of the plug. Adhesive is applied to the inside surface and the plug is inserted from inside the tire, pulled through and the patch pressed down with a roller. The stem of the patch protrudes through the tire and is trimmed off flush with the tread after re-fitting to the rim. The wheel needs to be re-balanced after repair. This is a permanent repair. The sticky rubber worms are only temporary repairs. Sticky plugs suck, they leak over time and can blow out. BTDTHTB, thank god not on a motorcycle. |
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I confirm the vote for the patch / plug combination. I went for a couple of years where I never wore out a rear tire. I kept picking up deck screws in them. I was left stranded with a stick plug that failed after 45 miles. I now pull the tire from the rim and patch it from the inside. I use a wire brush on a drill to clean the inside of the tire before patching.
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That puncture is in a thin part of the tire so a mushroom plug would be optimal. However I have used sticky rope on a similar puncture and also one in the thick part of the tread and the tires both wore out before any failure of the sticky rope could occur. Both were rear tires.
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No need to remove tire.
Can't blow out. Holding perfect air seal. Several videos show how to use this plug kit. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FtphCgcnDVs The screw was in the center of my Michelin rear tire. Remove screw. Ream hole. Insert pointy bit w/shank. Unscrew & leave in shank. Insert plug in gun tip. Lube lightly. Screw gun and shank together. Pump handle to push plug through shank and tire until no more movement. Pull out the tool. Pull an inch or two on plug to insure seating. Trim it off and air it up. "Your father's brother is your uncle!" The Slime pump aired tire quickly. (comes with cigar lighter, battery tender, and alligator connections for every kind of voltage hook up; plus pressure gauge pen) Took longer to read instructions than to fix the tire. See no leaks, will check again in a few hours. 7 months later - still perfect air seal. https://www.amazon.com/Stop-Go-1075-Standard-Plugger/dp/B0018EUDHW/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1546870426&sr=8-3&keywords=stop+and+go+tire+repair+kit O.S. ⚠️ Last edited by OldSchooot on UTC; edited 1 time
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Any plug CAN leak. Once you put a plug in you need to double up on your tire pressure checks.
Those are good plugs but again, any plug can leak or come out. Hit a rock just right and it could push the plug into the tire. |
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Fudmucker wrote: The sticky rubber worms are only temporary repairs. Has the OP checked that the metal has punctured the tyre? is air actually escaping? |
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Fudmucker wrote: Has the OP checked that the metal has punctured the tyre? is air actually escaping? Thank you all for feedback so far! This community is very helpful. |
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WEB-Tech wrote: Hit a rock just right and it could push the plug into the tire. For that matter, a rock can also put a hole in a tire all by itself, no pilot hole required. |
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robinm wrote: Fudmucker wrote: Has the OP checked that the metal has punctured the tyre? is air actually escaping? Thank you all for feedback so far! This community is very helpful. |
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Madison Sully wrote: WEB-Tech wrote: Hit a rock just right and it could push the plug into the tire. For that matter, a rock can also put a hole in a tire all by itself, no pilot hole required. From ATVing I have installed more plugs then most people that fix tires for a living. |
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Well, I went the cheap/$5 route to hold until I can just replace the rear tire altogether. I don't know how well or long these string plugs will hold. But I rarely go all that far from home, so I think it should be ok. The process was easy; almost too easy. *cue ominous music*
Fun fact: My bicycle pump seems to inflate the tires nicely on the GTS 300; it took about 150-160 pumps to get to 32 psi. |
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For that really professional touch you can snip those ends off. Wait till it's all dry though. This will stop them getting unnecessarily pulled around while riding.
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I'd suggest looking into RideOn. I had a small metal shard in one of my City Grips and putting RideOn in has held it stable for several months now.
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Theoretically
Theoretically, the internal patches are a little less likely to develop leaks down the road. My personal experience is only with sticky ropes, and they seem to MOSTLY patch it, but my patches always seem to have very slow leaks that need topping up once a weeek or so. If I was away from home and had a puncture, I'd use a sticky rope to get home, then remove it and do the interior patch. With more surface area, and glued to the tire, even tread squirm isn't going to create a leak, most likely
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Madison Sully wrote: The tire itself is just a temporary replacement of the last one, and will only last until the next one. |
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spencerkellis wrote: Well, I went the cheap/$5 route to hold until I can just replace the rear tire altogether. I don't know how well or long these string plugs will hold. But I rarely go all that far from home, so I think it should be ok. The process was easy; almost too easy. *cue ominous music* Fun fact: My bicycle pump seems to inflate the tires nicely on the GTS 300; it took about 150-160 pumps to get to 32 psi. |
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Motovista wrote: Madison Sully wrote: The tire itself is just a temporary replacement of the last one, and will only last until the next one. |
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Re: Theoretically
Jimding wrote: Theoretically, the internal patches are a little less likely to develop leaks down the road. My personal experience is only with sticky ropes, and they seem to MOSTLY patch it, but my patches always seem to have very slow leaks that need topping up once a weeek or so. If I was away from home and had a puncture, I'd use a sticky rope to get home, then remove it and do the interior patch. With more surface area, and glued to the tire, even tread squirm isn't going to create a leak, most likely . |
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Re: Theoretically
Attila wrote: Jimding wrote: Theoretically, the internal patches are a little less likely to develop leaks down the road. My personal experience is only with sticky ropes, and they seem to MOSTLY patch it, but my patches always seem to have very slow leaks that need topping up once a weeek or so. If I was away from home and had a puncture, I'd use a sticky rope to get home, then remove it and do the interior patch. With more surface area, and glued to the tire, even tread squirm isn't going to create a leak, most likely . |
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I have a sticky rope plug in my rear tire, and so far it's holding nicely. It's been about 8 months now. However, the Stop N' Go system looks like the best home remedy, so that's what I intend to purchase.
I have 1,400 miles to go before the 6,000-mile service interval, so hopefully the plug will hold until then because I intend to get new tires (whether they're totally necessary or not). ⚠️ Last edited by ETres on UTC; edited 1 time
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We consider that by putting the rubber mushroom or the patch inside the tire, the wheel and the tire must be removed. If you don't drill every day this is best done by the tire dealer; finally the rubber candle is better...
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Not on my scooter but I had the same problem on my maxxis truck tires. I just used a sticky rope and had no complaints. I run them until tread wear out.
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