Wed Oct 13, 2021 11:35 am

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Wed Oct 13, 2021 11:35 am linkquote
Everyone should drive a little British motor at least once. I've had about 5 and I've also taken them down pch. Nothing like sitting in a spitfire looking at the MIDDLE of a semi wheel eye to eye.

Oh, and changing a clutch in the parking lot of a 7-11. Priceless.
Fri Oct 22, 2021 7:51 am

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Fri Oct 22, 2021 7:51 am linkquote
With the engine out, the stands came off and a quick cleandown prior to transplant commenced.



Which, on further inspection and considerations soon escalated



And quite quickly got way out of hand



Poor old girl.

But, she's about to get shoved along by a _lot_ more horsepower than she was originally designed for, so prudence demands some inspection and rectification.

Point in case.

This:



and on the other side, this:



That's where the stand bolts to the frame, and there are broken spot welds in the join of the spine to the floor, and creases appearing in the floor. Not good for a pressed steel unibody.

The beginnings of these were there when I got it, and it's been exacerbated by putting on a sidestand. Time to fix it before it needs really major work.

I hammer and dollied everything back into line, and at that point could simply have welded it back up, but that would always have gone bad in short order. So I waited.

Lockdown has been pretty harsh, and I couldn't get far enough out of town to go to an industrial area to get sheet metal. I also didn't want to mig the repairs, 'cos I knew the abused almost 40 year old legshield would probably just blow out. Luckily for me (but unluckily for him), my buddy who runs the metalwork shop (genuinely!) needed me onsite to set up his remote security camera access after an internet provider change. I don't think he was happy to see another Vespa wheeled through his door, but the barter system still works well.

With his cameras live again, I was able to find a spare worktable. In short time I had the under side of the legshield ground clean, and a suitable piece of reinforcing sheet measured, cut, notched, joggled on either side, and ready to reinforce the underside of the legshield between both brace bars. By joggling the leading and trailing edge, I was able to have it ready to be puddle welded hard up against both braces and the underside of the floor.

Cut, primed and ready to drill and weld.



As I said, I could have mig'd the welds, but the legshields are from the early 80's, and have had a hard life, so Mat Tig'd them for me.



There was a lot of swearing, but no blow throughs on the legshield side, and the couple of runaways were all captured on the side no one will ever see. Nice to have talented friends. Even nice to be able to legally visit them.

Much like the Minnow itself, the results aren't pretty, but they are effective.



Time for some grinding.
Fri Oct 22, 2021 10:25 am

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Fri Oct 22, 2021 10:25 am linkquote
Awesome work and I'm totally digging the rolling stand you have there. I think I need to fab up something like that myself!

Of course, since my new welder just arrived, I will almost undoubtedly go that route and make it out of angle iron, and I already have some ideas for some additional features in mind...
Sat Oct 23, 2021 6:33 am

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Sat Oct 23, 2021 6:33 am linkquote
Ground where it needs it (I had to remind myself that no one will ever see this), seam sealed with SikaFlex 227 (including drilling a hole and filling the bead rolled cross in the middle of the floor base to avoid a void), primed and painter with a colour matched rattle can.



That'll do. (although I have a message from Voodoo that I suspect means I may still have to revisit things...). I have plans for the other side that may mitigate that, but we'll see.

Then onto today's job, where this drum brake fork got ready for a new life



For which it's been stripped, but is still in need of a serious cleanup.



More work needed. Next job after that will be to address the various surface rust spots and bang out some dents on the body and fender. Nothing too fancy, and no major paintwork, this isn't planned to be a restoration, or even a rustoration, more like trying to just trying to get a good honest beast back to the point where it wont rattle or fall apart, and can handle an upgraded power plant.
Sat Oct 23, 2021 7:05 pm

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Sat Oct 23, 2021 7:05 pm linkquote
Wait - you're running your 269 (or what ever) CC Quattrini with a drum front break?
Is a disc under consideration?
Man has to get home safe to BBQ the shrimps no?
Sun Oct 24, 2021 2:54 am

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Sun Oct 24, 2021 2:54 am linkquote
charlieman22 wrote:
Wait - you're running your 269 (or what ever) CC Quattrini with a drum front break?
Is a disc under consideration?
Man has to get home safe to BBQ the shrimps no?
After the (not the) Mille last year, one of the participants and I figured out we live about a km apart. He has a quite lovely dead stock Millennium PX200E. When we got back to his house after well over 1000k's over 3 days, we swapped bikes for a rip round the neighborhood. He wanted to know what the Minnow's Malossi sport 210 was like, and I was curious to try such a new version of the PX. He took off like a scalded cat, and apparently his first thought was "I've gotta get one of these". I purred away, and thought, this is really comfortable, if a little tame, then tested the brakes, and nearly went over the handle bar. I knew my drum brake was pretty crap, but wasn't till then that I knew just how crap, and I immediately thought "I've gotta get one of these". My buddy came back a little whiter than when he left, and told me that the engine was great, but he didn't know how I'd ridden so far with no brakes.



Fork cleaned, sanded de-rusted, masked, primed and metal painted.

Onto the body. I've mostly got the surface rust treated.





I _could_ sand it all back, mask up, and paint it, but the Minnow is more like a work truck than a garage queen. I'm leaning towards just dremeling the couple of welds that are still sitting proud, hitting it with more rust treatment, then just going with a rust protector spray, and letting her wear her scars with pride. With all her dings and scrapes, a propper paint job might look like lipstick on a pig.
Sun Oct 24, 2021 7:24 am

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Sun Oct 24, 2021 7:24 am linkquote
You can always hide them under a mat like I'm gonna do on my PX. But at least I have the excuse that they used the mats on the PX.
Sun Oct 24, 2021 11:12 am

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Sun Oct 24, 2021 11:12 am linkquote
Gt6MK3 wrote:
.... When we got back to his house after well over 1000k's over 3 days, we swapped bikes for a rip round the neighborhood. He wanted to know what the Minnow's Malossi sport 210 was like, and I was curious to try such a new version of the PX. He took off like a scalded cat, and apparently his first thought was "I've gotta get one of these". I purred away, and thought, this is really comfortable, if a little tame, then tested the brakes, and nearly went over the handle bar. I knew my drum brake was pretty crap, but wasn't till then that I knew just how crap, and I immediately thought "I've gotta get one of these". My buddy came back a little whiter than when he left, and told me that the engine was great, but he didn't know how I'd ridden so far with no brakes.


Story of the year so far for me, well told.
Sun Oct 24, 2021 11:14 am

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Sun Oct 24, 2021 11:14 am linkquote
Yeah, no fancy paint job!
Sun Oct 24, 2021 12:07 pm

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Sun Oct 24, 2021 12:07 pm linkquote
Hahaha
Gracious.
I'm not sure who was in more danger on that test ride.
Nice front disk not such a bad thing to have - as long as u know it's there.
Mon Oct 25, 2021 7:12 am

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Mon Oct 25, 2021 7:12 am linkquote
After a bit of thought, and a close inspection, I decided that (a)the paint was going to quickly disintegrate where there are fresh welds on the other side, (b), trying to keep bare metal patches on the running boards rust protected will be tricky, especially under the floor strips when they go back on, and (c), she's already had 3 different whites in various places from previous owners, so what's one more.

So out with the dremel to knock down he welds, then the orbital sander to knock the affected paint off.

After a wipe down with thinners to get some tack, out came the masking tape and film.



Out with the rattle cans, and on went 3 light coats of primer, and 3 of enamel.



I've done much better paint jobs, but the speed of this one was satisfying in it's own way. She's still got plenty of dings and scrapes, but the danger zones are repaired and protected, so that'll do. The rattle can from the local hardware store was even a reasonable match.
Mon Oct 25, 2021 7:18 am

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Mon Oct 25, 2021 7:18 am linkquote
The outcome is pleasing glad you rattled some on.
Tue Oct 26, 2021 3:53 am

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Tue Oct 26, 2021 3:53 am linkquote
I think we can all agree that having cleaned up the top of the floor, my OCD wasn't about to let me off that easy knowing what was on the other side.

So I had to peek.



Yurgh. I already struggle to sleep at night, this would have been the end. So various nuclear options were deployed.



Till a state of of clean this bike has never seen was achieved, and all the rust was treated or removed.



Which led (of course) to this



And (it was inevitable), to this



It's a pug-ugly paint job, but it everything important has been rust treated and properly protected, and that's what really counts.

Let the dopamine flow...
Tue Oct 26, 2021 5:42 am

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Tue Oct 26, 2021 5:42 am linkquote
whaaaaat???

you don't know how to stop, do you?

At least you will sleep easy, and it did seem to turn out well. I'd have drawn a dividing line and left the legshield upper alone but it's hard to have such control, especially for you I see.
Sat Oct 30, 2021 7:41 am

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Sat Oct 30, 2021 7:41 am linkquote
sdjohn wrote:
I'd have drawn a dividing line and left the legshield upper alone but it's hard to have such control, especially for you I see.
Actually, I did. There's lots of masking in those photos. The upper body and the legshield still have all their stories intact, all the paint went on the underside.

Todays job was much more one and zero based as I remembered how to run Solidworks.


I've been meaning to do that for a while. Prototype #1. Sadly, as I looked at the photo here, I realised the fault in it. Back to the Solidworks PC.

Sat Oct 30, 2021 9:36 am

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Sat Oct 30, 2021 9:36 am linkquote
Gonna paint the shutters….
And the doors…
Well, may paint the south side of the house…
Well, I'll just paint the whole house. 😃

Looking good!

Ps- there is a strange abundance of white P200s getting sorted here on the forum. Weird.
Sat Oct 30, 2021 5:45 pm

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Sat Oct 30, 2021 5:45 pm linkquote
Belly laughed.
But threw no stones from my glass basement.

Lookin' good!
Wish I knew the part well enough to play - "what's the fault".
Have to do with the large holes not having any retaining or overhang?
(Simply knowing nothing about a subject never holds me back...)
Sat Oct 30, 2021 6:08 pm

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Sat Oct 30, 2021 6:08 pm linkquote
A better turn signal indicator housing?



Sat Oct 30, 2021 8:00 pm

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Sat Oct 30, 2021 8:00 pm linkquote
V oodoo wrote:
A better turn signal indicator housing?
Close...



Mon Nov 01, 2021 5:38 am

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Mon Nov 01, 2021 5:38 am linkquote
Mix Solidworks, resin, and UV light,



And shortly you have a reasonable modern turn switch housing prototype, that can be adapted to self cancelling indicators.



Still a little refinement to be done, but it's coming along nicely.
Mon Nov 01, 2021 6:41 am

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Mon Nov 01, 2021 6:41 am linkquote
Oooh. fancy.
I once drove for about 3 days with my blinkers on...
A leaning sidecar - going right - with the left blinkers on.
Only thing missing was my stuffed dog.

Nice upgrade.
You might have to post the final model on that one.
Suspect others might wanna follow if they can find the buttons.
Mon Nov 01, 2021 11:21 am

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Mon Nov 01, 2021 11:21 am linkquote
I'm diggin' it big time!

You could get momentary switches like that off Amazon pretty easily.

Biggest issue I'm seeing with the lit ones is that they might be too deep. regardless, 12mm switches are cheap and easy to find.
Tue Nov 02, 2021 2:32 am

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Tue Nov 02, 2021 2:32 am linkquote


Well there's 6 hours I'm not getting back.
Tue Nov 02, 2021 8:40 am

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Tue Nov 02, 2021 8:40 am linkquote
Nice runners. You forgot the centre mat though!
Thu Nov 11, 2021 6:02 am

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Thu Nov 11, 2021 6:02 am linkquote
I have no doubt I'll regret that before I'm finished.


Loom-ectomy

Thu Nov 11, 2021 7:37 am

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Thu Nov 11, 2021 7:37 am linkquote
Eeeek... on a PX..... Scary business that!
Sat Nov 13, 2021 4:19 am

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Sat Nov 13, 2021 4:19 am linkquote
The loom in the Minnow was designed and delivered before Apple released the original Macintosh, and shortly before The Boss unleashed "Born in the USA" on the world. You can do more efficient things moving electrons around a moving vehicle these days.

I'm pretty sure you can also simplify it.

'cos, jeezzus, this isn't simple atm.



Out with the old, time to plan the new.
Sat Nov 13, 2021 4:32 am

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Sat Nov 13, 2021 4:32 am linkquote
Watching for sure!
Sat Nov 13, 2021 7:36 am

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Sat Nov 13, 2021 7:36 am linkquote
I'll be curious to see what you come up with, too.

When I compare the simplicity of the 60's wiring harnesses with the complexity of the PX or my Stella, I'm kind've appalled at the later designs, too. And when I look at the new BGM harness in my GL, which only lacks a kill wire/switch at the column lock for comparative functionality, I'm even more appalled.

A big part of it is the fact that the bikes have two electrical systems--AC and DC side--and as soon as you pick one and stick with it (DC, in my cases) a lot of the wiring can go away.
Sat Nov 13, 2021 11:09 am

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Sat Nov 13, 2021 11:09 am linkquote
Someone posted a controller for a motorcycle with custom wiring. Even had a controller setup to put in the head unit for turn signals.
Sat Nov 13, 2021 11:14 am

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Sat Nov 13, 2021 11:14 am linkquote
There's some pretty interesting stuff out there for "smart" self-cancelling turn signals. I'm almost tempted to try one because I'm the worst about forgetting to turn my signals off.
Mon Nov 15, 2021 5:54 am

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Mon Nov 15, 2021 5:54 am linkquote
There are some interesting options out there for adding smarts like self cancelling indicators, auto brake lights under heavy deceleration, and other more complex electrics.

A company called Smart Turn Systems had a number of offerings in this field. Unfortunately they pretty much went south during the pandemic, although they have bobbed up under another name having gone through a classic corporate post crash phoenix. Their offerings are reasonably well priced, and don't take a total re-wire to install. They're the logical choice for a build like this one, and don't need much work to graft into the existing loom.

At the other end of the scale is the Motogadget M-unit and M-unit Blue. The M-unit replaces all the relays and fuses, and allows you to run a digital controller over all the electrics. It adds an alarm, auxiliary in and outputs, and a horn and starter relay. The Bluetooth version also adds keyless go, trip recording, and control over the systems from your smartphone.

I'm deleting the starter motor on this bike (too much compression), have no room for a horn, and want to keep the key so the steering lock keeps working. The M-unit or the M-unit Blue would therefore be total expensive overkill, require a total re-wire of a loom that need to keep its almost 40 year connectors due to packaging constraints, and add complexity adapting it to work with a CDI type ignition.

So, of course, I'm going with the M-unit Blue...



There's hoops to jump through before this can go in, the first of which is getting the push button switches for the controls to a standard I'm happy with.

After a few proto runs, I'm getting there with the Horn/Lights/Kill side



Next up is to print and finish the indicator side, which has had more revisions done, and is also ready to control the new speedo.



While thats in the printer, I'm going to start doing the impossible with the loom and connectors.
Mon Nov 15, 2021 7:16 am

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Mon Nov 15, 2021 7:16 am linkquote
Keep us updated, I have been looking at this with some interest. I want to pull anything AC out and go all DC.
Gt6MK3 wrote:
There are some interesting options out there for adding smarts like self cancelling indicators, auto brake lights under heavy deceleration, and other more complex electrics.

A company called Smart Turn Systems had a number of offerings in this field. Unfortunately they pretty much went south during the pandemic, although they have bobbed up under another name having gone through a classic corporate post crash phoenix. Their offerings are reasonably well priced, and don't take a total re-wire to install. They're the logical choice for a build like this one, and don't need much work to graft into the existing loom.

At the other end of the scale is the Motogadget M-unit and M-unit Blue. The M-unit replaces all the relays and fuses, and allows you to run a digital controller over all the electrics. It adds an alarm, auxiliary in and outputs, and a horn and starter relay. The Bluetooth version also adds keyless go, trip recording, and control over the systems from your smartphone.

I'm deleting the starter motor on this bike (too much compression), have no room for a horn, and want to keep the key so the steering lock keeps working. The M-unit or the M-unit Blue would therefore be total expensive overkill, require a total re-wire of a loom that need to keep its almost 40 year connectors due to packaging constraints, and add complexity adapting it to work with a CDI type ignition.

So, of course, I'm going with the M-unit Blue...



There's hoops to jump through before this can go in, the first of which is getting the push button switches for the controls to a standard I'm happy with.

After a few proto runs, I'm getting there with the Horn/Lights/Kill side



Next up is to print and finish the indicator side, which has had more revisions done, and is also ready to control the new speedo.



While thats in the printer, I'm going to start doing the impossible with the loom and connectors.
Mon Nov 15, 2021 7:39 am

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Mon Nov 15, 2021 7:39 am linkquote
From where I'm currently at, adding an auto brake light would be pretty trivial since I already have an accelerometer in the package. I'd just add a relay and wire it to the brake light.

I'm more interested in the auto-cancel/smart turn signals because that's a problem I actually have. That'd require replacing my current switch with a momentary toggle, which might be tricky to find (I haven't looked, but also don't recall seeing anything like that in my various searches).
Mon Nov 15, 2021 9:11 am

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Mon Nov 15, 2021 9:11 am linkquote
chandlerman wrote:
From where I'm currently at, adding an auto brake light would be pretty trivial since I already have an accelerometer in the package. I'd just add a relay and wire it to the brake light.

I'm more interested in the auto-cancel/smart turn signals because that's a problem I actually have. That'd require replacing my current switch with a momentary toggle, which might be tricky to find (I haven't looked, but also don't recall seeing anything like that in my various searches).
My motorcycle has a single switch that slides from left to center to right automatically returning to center. Seems like you could get a switch from a newer motorcycle that would work.
Mon Nov 15, 2021 10:24 am

Lucky
76 Sprint V, 63 GL, 62 VBB, 05 Stella
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Location: Nashville
 
Lucky
76 Sprint V, 63 GL, 62 VBB, 05 Stella
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Posts: 4244
Location: Nashville
Mon Nov 15, 2021 10:24 am linkquote
I just need to see what I can find that more-or-less matches my existing switch. A momentary toggle could work, but it would need to have a retro look.
Mon Nov 15, 2021 11:03 am

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62 VBB1T Round Tail W/ leaner sidecar
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Location: california
 
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62 VBB1T Round Tail W/ leaner sidecar
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Posts: 2639
Location: california
Mon Nov 15, 2021 11:03 am linkquote
Quote:
have no room for a horn
Hahahaha.
Horn seems superfluous.
Small sound 'oink sound before you go blowing through a red lighted intersection with your feet out to the side.

Seriously - and I mean - seriously; you need a disc brake on this thing.
Mon Nov 15, 2021 10:30 pm

Hooked
Bodgerific 150 Super, PX200(ish...), US 50 Special in progress
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Posts: 442
Location: Melbourne, Way Downunder
 
Hooked
Bodgerific 150 Super, PX200(ish...), US 50 Special in progress
Joined: 18 Aug 2016
Posts: 442
Location: Melbourne, Way Downunder
Mon Nov 15, 2021 10:30 pm linkquote
charlieman22 wrote:
Seriously - and I mean - seriously; you need a disc brake on this thing.
All in good time. Why update the brakes when you can make the horn louder?

I had a quandary where I didn't want to re-use the 40ish year old wires in the loom - too many cracks in the insulation already, and who knows what condition the copper is in. There are proprietary connectors everywhere though, and lots of holes for wires and connectors to go through that are just big enough for the originals. I don't want to end up with a rats nest, so I hunted for another solution.

The pins in the Vespa connectors are similar size to molex pins, so I pulled out my de pinning tools and was please to discover they were good for the job. A bit of hunting around and I discovered that the pins and sockets are AMP Mate-n-locks, and there's a supplier here in town. Happy days.



Add some wire, do some crimping, build a new bespoke loom with factory connectors.
Mon Nov 15, 2021 11:11 pm

Addicted
Too Many piles of Junk that need too much work and too much money
Joined: 06 May 2019
Posts: 917
Location: PNW from LBC
 
Addicted
Too Many piles of Junk that need too much work and too much money
Joined: 06 May 2019
Posts: 917
Location: PNW from LBC
Mon Nov 15, 2021 11:11 pm linkquote
Finally getting caught up on this build. Nice work Gt6MK3. I like your custom touches so far, interested to see where this goes .
Thu Nov 18, 2021 4:26 am

Hooked
Bodgerific 150 Super, PX200(ish...), US 50 Special in progress
Joined: 18 Aug 2016
Posts: 442
Location: Melbourne, Way Downunder
 
Hooked
Bodgerific 150 Super, PX200(ish...), US 50 Special in progress
Joined: 18 Aug 2016
Posts: 442
Location: Melbourne, Way Downunder
Thu Nov 18, 2021 4:26 am linkquote
Since I'm going starterless and will be running a repair kit for the tubeless tyres rather than a spare, todays task was a bracketectomy.

Before



2 hours, a spot weld cutter, grinding disk, cutting disk, chisel, hitting stick, power file, swear words, sparks, and just a little blood later.



That's going to need hammers, heat, rust treatment, some restorative welding and grinding, and paint.
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