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I recently got a frame from a 2004 Bajaj that had a small engine fire and was an insurance write off. Just the frame as everything else had already been cannibalized and then it just sat out in the weather for a couple of years. Pretty faded and hazy, but hey, that'll buff right out!

It seems the frame is a LOT stiffer than I am used to, the leg shield corner hardly flexes at all and it has some additional frame bracing that Vespas lack. This particular model doesn't have large openings in the leg shield for turn signals, just 2 holes on each side for surface mounting I guess(they were already gone). The leggy/floor measured 1.1 to 1.2 mm thick at the edge while my AllState was .86 to .96 depending on where I measured.

It turns out that the body is really straight and the original deep red paint is pretty tough and buffs up nicely. And the paint's 99.9% all there on the frame so matching for the headset, cowls & mudguard will be the biggest challenge.

I will probably gather pieces for a Frankenbike and take advantage the no blinkers look. I even found a set of blinkerless cowls that fit right. I need to find a fork, but have a motor I can use.... headset? I have a trap headset that needs some fixing. What else would I need?
uh oh! motor on fire!
uh oh! motor on fire!
cleaned up well, that is incredibly durable paint
for now I've left the left side of the leggy as was for comparison
horncast from PK50XL & late 50's mudguard
cleaned up well, that is incredibly durable paint for now I've left the left side of the leggy as was for comparison horncast from PK50XL & late 50's mudguard
smooth from behind
smooth from behind
pedigree
pedigree
time to put this one away now and finish the one behind it
time to put this one away now and finish the one behind it
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I like it mocked up like that Voodoo. So is it one of those Bajaj Chetak 4T frames then? It looks like the "Legend" cowls you have there. I have no idea how similar those Bajaj anti-dive forks are compared to a P series. I though I remember years ago when they first started selling the Chetak, that I read about someone installing the Bajaj anti-dive in a P2 frame as an upgrade? I also remember that those Baja 4T fuel tanks were on the smallish size?

I do like the PK horncast on a largeframe idea...but I'm still kicking myself years later for cutting down a chrome PK50XL horncast that I was going to mount on my P2. It would have looked perfect on my pink PK200.
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Like it... and the walker is a handy garage accessory
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The walker is brilliant. I'll get one so'z I can use it when I'm all done fartin' around with these things. I hope that's for awhile yet.
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Is it for short old people or did you cut the legs down a bit?
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Interesting frame. What is it supposed to look like originally? The rear looks a little T5-ish.
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Can you tell if its a Chetak frame? Just worked on one and was impressed as well.

If it is a Chetak frame, the front horncast is huge and is held on by the 8 holes in the front legshield. Its all plastic with the turn signals, flasher relay, flasher beeper and horn all mounted to the plastic. The rear turn signals were in the cowls and connected via two wires, not through the pin/ latch setup. Rear cowls had 2 pins, the cowl spring and then the latch to hold it on.

Is that in Greece or WA? Not sure whens the next time i'll be in WA but I'll be sure to reach out to you.
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To tell you the truth, I'm still trying to figure out just what it was. Looks like a 2 stroke will bolt in and some references to 2004 Bajaj indicate 2 stroke and others 4 stroke. Did they have both in the same model? I know little about all the different Bajaj models except volcano headset is a tipoff and also a jumbo glove box.

It's not a 4 stroke Legend, although I think wdc got the cowls right:

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I did get the bottom half of the headset and it's definitely not the hideous Legend style, it's round. Probably it's a Chetak, this 2004 looks about right:

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T5-ish profile for Ginchy
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MJR, in the US of A, do you not recognize the messy garage?
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Loving the Walker also. Paint looks great. Definitely go with the p/px horncast.. the chetak horncast it's butt ugly while still unique.
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Haha damn right they're sturdy! They're meant to carry like 6 people + 2 weeks worth of groceries LOL
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Very cool Voodoo. I owned a Bajaj 2002 4t and put over 13K miles on it. There was lots of talk about putting the 4t engine in a 2t but there were size differences and the 4t would not fit into a 2t body. The 4t frame can probably be adapted for a 2d engine though

This will be exciting to see what you do with it. I always loved the tank like quality of my old Bajaj...
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How come u always have the best project Brother T Crying or Very sad emoticon that frame of your is super awesome compare to the sprint frame that i just have from a friend

Good luck with the latest chetak and cheer Brother T
My newest project now what left of it or start with it
My newest project now what left of it or start with it
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nice looking project Voodoo! I think you'll have some fun with this one.
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seat designers know their market
Ginormous seat complements jumbo glove box
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Now I see why, ginormous seat is very practical!

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Interesting that the headset sits so much higher than a Vespa.
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Box front opens down and serves as a bassinet - like bulkhead row on plane.
I suggest installing one of these in there to update it.

Customization suggestions aside - kinda blown away by how well it cleaned up. Great find.
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charlieman22 wrote:
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kinda blown away by how well it cleaned up. Great find.
Me too, a couple of hours w/ a cheapo HF orbital buffer and Meguiar's Mirror Glaze fine-cut cleaner(also from HF) and I was amazed at what I was uncovering. But the first part of your post, w h a t ? And what is that gadget and where should I put it?

Maybe you mean my walker. That is a great addition to my toolset, makes handling projects pre motor installation so easy and protects them well also. I can even bungee it down and install the fork. The width of the seat is just right to trap the floor. It has brakes, it folds up for easy storage and it waits for me when I will need it to get myself around - a great legacy from my mom that I thought I'd never use. I highly recommend for Vespa projects!

A little progress and more knowledge about these rugged Indian bikes. It sure seems that ppl that have had a Bajaj seem to love or at least respect them. I'm still trying to puzzle out the 4T vs 2T permutations on these. Did any of these newer Chetaks come w/ 2 stroke motors? Possibly both 2T and 4T into the same frame? So I decided to see if I could fit a P200 motor in there.

I've also been playing with the look of it and decided to swap the trap headset for an older VNA style that is more smooth with the rounded tube extensions and round lite like a stock 2004 Chetak. Also the trap needed repairs and all the internals which I don't have.
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engine bay still needs cleanup
You can see the extra bracing
engine bay still needs cleanup You can see the extra bracing
does it fit?
does it fit?
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Motor no fit without some tweaking.
problem
problem
this fat lump was in the way
this fat lump was in the way
cut it off
cut it off
now screwdrivers in both sides, but still tight
will have to grind just a bit more
now screwdrivers in both sides, but still tight will have to grind just a bit more
starting to look doable
starting to look doable
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this is a good one but I'm sorta craving weird Bajaj cowls or reverse P cowls
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I used to have a pair of the 4T Chetak cowls on my P2. They looked more "sporty" than the standard P cowls. I also had the Chetak glovebox on my P as well. It was much larger than the Piaggio one.
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