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I bought a spare, programable blue key from scooterparts.com.
I cut/cloned the new key and it works in the ignition in both directions. I have done the program procedure using the brown/red key several times, yet the new spare key still doesn't start the scooter?
The MV WIKI says one member here found that having the hole up helps, aside from proper timing.
I haven't tried that as yet. My OEM blue key still works to start the scooter.
Ideas? Thanks!!!
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All blue keys need to be programed at the same time, even if you just added a new key.

Are you sure the new key has a chip in it?
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Assuming the key has a good chip, you could listen to Rolf explain the programming process to see if you missed a step.

Rolf explains key programming here starting at about 3:50:

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Sometimes it can take a few goes at getting the programming right. Timing is critical and most folks who cannot get it to work are usually getting the timing wrong. Obviously, I don't know how you are managing this aspect but it can pay to reassess every aspect of what you are doing. I bet it will work ok if you stop, take a big breath, re-read the chapter on programming, then have another go. You have to be ultra religious with every aspect of the procedure to get it right.

Strongly recommend you do this procedure away from any strong magnetic fields or sources of radio waves, electro-magnetic sources of any kind (stay away from nuclear blasts etc!) and do not use your mobile phone or have it anywhere near you or the bike during this process. I've known the wifi on a mobile phone to interfere with this process. Also make sure there are NO other keys on any key ring that may be attached to the new key you are trying to program.
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It's been a year, but I think I purchased my spare key from them...both times. They have two, one without a chip that's cheaper but looks identical. Pretty frustrating until I figured it out...then bought the other key.....works fine.

Better yet, a couple of months ago stumbled onto the keys I thought I'd lost.

They're ALL programmed now. 8)
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It might be that the circuit is open, and you are closing it with the red key. Try doing the red key in and out, on and off twice, then blue key, then red key once.
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Hang on - you say you bought a programmable key? If so, you have to have it cloned, you can't do the Piaggio ECU programming.
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jimc wrote:
Hang on - you say you bought a programmable key? If so, you have to have it cloned, you can't do the Piaggio ECU programming.
Yeah, I think that's what I was getting at. Nerd emoticon

Guessing you might have the wrong key for the job. I went back and figured it out looking at the Scooterwest site...
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It should be the right key- @ $24.95-->#573426, clearly stated to have the immobilizer.
For now, I've moved onto a much larger project for at least two more days, weather aside, rebuilding our raised bed garden edges (32' x 9') with new white oak boards I sawed. 3" x 9" x 8'-10' x 18" deep, honkers! of a board at that.

I'll try again soon, thanks for the ideas.
Back in the summer, I did try the newly cut key just to see that I'd cut the blank OK on both sides of the blade then left the programming undone.
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I was successful today on the spare key programing. I did the three keys, red master, OE blue and new blue maybe 4-5 times before it took. You can hear when it does it's thing. I was counting off -1,000 one, 1,000 two, etc but seems to be sort of a chancy timing thing to make it happen.In the manual it sounds easy enough as long as one doesn't dawdle.
My feeling is persistence works on the key thing.
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Well done Kantuckid, it's either a quick job or it can take a few goes. Can't be sure why this is the case but it can be different for everyone. Nice job!
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Yeh sure... it's not complicated, just that after counting off like a dozen times i wondered what WTH was not happening?
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