Modern Vespa

https://www.moto.it/news/yamaha-tricity-300-cresce-la-cilindrata-ma-basta-la-patente-b.html

https://www.insella.it/news/eicma-2019-yamaha-tricity-300-prototipo-tokyo-definitivo-milano-152263

At the Tokyo show that opened its doors today, Yamaha presented as a concept the Tricity 300, which, however, has very little of a prototype and is ready to arrive from dealers. Iwata's three-wheeler will debut revealing all its technical features in a few days at EICMA.

Debut in Tokyo
Today begins the Tokyo salon, a showcase in which Japanese homes love to show off more or less futuristic prototypes. Yamaha among its previews reveals an expected and decidedly concrete object: the Tricity 300 which, officially presented as a concept in the stand of Iwata's home at the Japanese fair, is enough to look at it to understand that it is a model ready to be shipped in the windows of the dealers, moreover the images of the press kit are set right in our parts ... In any case, being officially a concept, Yamaha has not revealed any technical details, promising to disclose them during EICMA, but from what we can see it is the final version of the 3CT presented last year at the Milan show, of which it essentially maintains the line, showing off a pointed front and a tail that resembles that of the Tmax. The 300 engine instead derives from the well-known one mounted on the Xmax 300, a modern unit that is part of the Blue Core family and has a displacement of 292 cm3 for about 28 hp, while the front suspension with double stem for wheel and upper articulation deformable quadrilateral (in aluminum) is similar to the system already used by Niken. The Tricity, like all three wheels on the market, will be approved as a tricycle and therefore you can drive with only the car's B license.
To find out more we just have to wait for the Milan show that will open its doors in a few days.

We have the Tricity 125 here already but it's too small physically for anyone over 5'8" due to its stepped seat and minimal leg room.

If this is more MP3 sized it will be brilliant!

So your over 5'8" and have tried one out

... so how many centimeters are you high ..? I am 1 meter and 86 centimeters tall and on the Tricity 155 I'm comfortable with my legs; the saddle is hard and the step is uncomfortable.

Yes, what's your point?

I'm 6'5" (2m give or take).

I physically can't get my knees in on the 125.

I see a couple around town, shorter guys than me but again you can see they are cramped.

But watching that video the new bigger model looks huge, Xmax sized.....I like it a lot!

It is already on the Yamaha website but there is still no price.

https://www.yamaha-motor.eu/gb/en/products/reveal/tricity-300/



I noticed how the brake pedal put on the platform is not like on the MP3; it seems that it flows in a cut to the side of the central tunnel.
If you look closely, the tip of the shoe is below.

This new 300 model looks pretty nice. I gravitated to the over 150cc
models because of my weight and the get up and go needed to
navigate my metro area with multiple higher speed express ways.

On the other end of the spectrum, I do not like two wheeled machines over
500cc because, in my opinion, they are two heavy and the ride feel and
experience changes dramatically. A large displacement motorcycle reminds me of going down the road sitting on top of a V8 engine Block.

Each to his own - I do think the Tricity 300 looks great.

Bob Copeland
Minnesota

The tricity is not the most cramped scooter I've owned at 6' tall and still have some room left .

At 6'5" not many scooters would be suitable.

BTW that guy on the new 300 looks tiny maybe 5'

The biggest problem of the three big wheels is the weight, even with 28 hp the performance will not be exceptional even if sufficient and moving it from a standstill will be a great effort ... if the MP3 weighs in full about 270 kg I think the Tricity 300 will be equal. My 155 weighs a full 165 kg, not a little.

I tried the 125, I think if the seat wasn't so stepped I would have fitted. I was surprised tbh, my LX at the time had more room for my height. Opted for the Xmax instead.

Looking at the photo and video,it looks like the space is equal to X Max ...and if you can put your foot under the brake on the platform even more comfortable than the MP3.

Agreed that's got lots of room. I like it.

https://scooterlab.uk/ride-on-a-car-licence-2020-yamaha-tricity-300-news/

Bill x

OT: Bill ... I also gave you an answer on retro bikes: What's new in scooters and retro motorcycles? (Page 20)

Attila, brake pedal is "normal" just more compact and closer to the tunnel. You can see it at 0:55 in the video...

Besides being bigger and more powerful than the existing Tricity 125 and 150, one of Yamaha's big selling points for the 300 is that car drivers can still operate it with a regular car license in many countries. So, it's once again fudging the line between what constitutes a bike and what constitutes a car.

Really?

Really, in Italy you drive it with a car license.
45 cm of roadway make the difference.
Forty-five centimeters, simply passing from a front track of 420 cm (centimeters) to a track of 465 cm and introducing the rear brake pedal, the technicians were able to obtain the homologation change from "motorcycle" to "tricycle" ... which translated means driving without a license even for displacements greater than the classic 125.

To understand it is sufficient to take a look at some homologation parameters foreseen by European legislation. The definition of motor vehicle, in fact, foresees a particular subdivision between motorcycle and tricycle on the basis of the number of wheels and the distance between them: motorcycles include all vehicles with two and three wheels that have a distance between the twins lower than the 460 cm, while the tricycles category "accepts" all three-wheel vehicles with twinned wheelbase characteristics equal to or greater than the reference measurement.

An abundantly exceeded value that allows bypassing the provisions of the Italian Road Code regarding motorcycles (motorcycle driving is granted only to license holders A, with the exception of those with type B driving licenses prior to 26 / 04/1988), simply by referring to the specific legislation reserved for tricycles, which in fact does not set any limit to the majority of holders of driving license B.
Instead for the Tricity 155 which has a lower track, you do not need the brake pedal pedal board because it is approved for motorcycles and you need an A2 driving license; in the link https://www.yamaha-motor.eu/it/it/products/scooter/urban-mobility/ you can see what kind of license we need: up to 125 cc A1 and beyond A2 ; however, if the license was taken before 26/04/1988, the B (car guide) is sufficient...what a mess...

I don't think that is the right comparison. The dry weight of the MP3 Yourban 300 is 211 kg.

mp3 500 265kg
mp3 250 240kg

tricity 155 165kg

xmax 300 180kg

my guess
tricity 300 will be 200-210kg

Correct but the Yourban model is no longer in production.

dry weights are useless numbers. both cars and bikes. they are never correct. always far lighter than what is possible by just removing fluids. no idea why. but it interesting but true.

In production or not, that is the weight of a 300 MP3. Has to be a better comparison than a 500 MP3. It is the number the manufacturer gives you. If you want to upgrade the numbers for fuel and oil, fine - but that doesn't change the comparison.

Regardless of weight 300 CC's doesn't seem enough for something like an MP3. From what I've seen of them no model appears small and I prefer a little more torque and power on anything bigger than say a large frame Vespa. I guess some places have licensing restrictions and it helps with insurance otherwise why would you not want a 500 or higher CC's on a 3 wheeled motorbike? That's actually a serious question, I'd be curious to know why. Are their countries where they can still be ridden with a car license provided the front wheel base is wide enough and the CC's low enough?

My MP3 250 did not have enough power.

My MP3 400 had just enough power.

My MP3 500 IE had enough power.

My MP3 500 HPE has more than enough power.

(I wouldn't turn down a little more, though.)

The UK you can ride the MP3 with the foot break on a car license regardless off cc, so guess the EU is the same.

Stupid question time . So its got a foot brake pedal for the rear wheel. What do the hand levers do?

Same as always. Left rear, right front.

For me, the foot brake is superfluous. It's only really there to make the MP3 into a car.

I have before my eyes the Italian magazine In Sella with the right weights MP3 350 256 / MP3 500 276 kg / MP3 300 Yourban 222 kg. Do I also publish page photos?
The weight always has its importance, consider that a normal three-wheeler does not have the reverse gear, so when you make maneuvers when stationary and when the weather is warm, in addition to work hard, you sweat more and it is annoying. Then even driving becomes more tiring; Yamaha's idea of ​​being the first to present the small Tricity (125 and then 155) was made to test the market but with a vehicle as light as possible. If you remember and you know initially there was also the MP3 125 but the weight was 200 kg https://www.moto.it/listino/piaggio/mp3/mp3-125/CNCn73 It was not very successful, it was slow and consumed too much because of weight. I am convinced that the Tricity 300 will not weigh more than the MP3 300 (perhaps less knowing Yamaha) and has higher power, almost equal to the MP 3 350 (28 to 29). We will see what happens in the coming months. Ciao.

you could post it up. but that would only be proving my point. the posted weights, even ones printed on car titles, is not actual weight.

we have the mp3 250 here. the weight I posted is the actual wet weight. the yourban is the same bike with same engine weight. only the plastic is restyled a bit. if you want to sell bikes you are not gonna exaggerate the weight by making it heavier than it is. but you might fib a bit by making it lighter.

show me a yourban on a scale. then you will win your debate. I have weighed my 500 using both city dump site and at home on a pair of bathroom scales.

I am not in this forum to compete, I only expose the bare facts ... to others the task of drawing conclusions.

Actually, the foot pedal is on a separate circuit with a proportioning valve and controls both front and rear brakes like a car.
It's one reason why it can be ridden with only a car license in Europe. Here in US, just having 3 wheels is enough but the
rules are different there.

The Tricity 155 also has a combined braking system (UBS) but operated only by the left lever on the handlebar; the right lever controls only the two front disc brakes.

Thats a modern EU legislation. They must have either linked brakes or ABS.

The older Tricity 125 has linked brakes but has abs rings fitted on wheels that do nothing .
New Tricity 125 has abs and linked brakes .

BTW If the new 300 is classified as a tricycle in the U.K. then it's £91 road tax or the same as a r1

... I hope we are always considered scooterists ... I don't think I will buy 300, I don't like weight and size; I prefer the agility of the 155 and for my places it is adequate.

If it's legal with a car license in California, can you still use the car pool lanes if it's just you, and how do they handle the helmet law and lack of seat belts and bumpers? I thought it was treated like a motorcycle in most of the US.
I think that if someone was to commute into San Francisco from Marin county or the East Bay, 300ccs would be more than enough. This scooter was designed for that sort of commute in places where the law treats it like a car but it's a lot easier to get through traffic and park on a motorcycle. Tracy to San Jose, the 500 starts to make sense. But this was definitely designed as a way to get to work, and I assumed it wasn't more popular in the US because you still need an MC endorsement to ride it.
It's going to be interesting to see if Honda decides to make one. They appear to be in some relationship with Kymco and Yamaha in the mid-size scooter market. The X-Max has a lot of Honda and Kymco heritage in it's engine.

Here ... they make joint ventures and we suffer isolationist industrial economic choices and here I stop that the topic becomes political. In topic, I do not understand the choice of other brands not to focus on really light and cheap three-wheelers in use and purchase. Another thing that I don't understand is why in the USA they didn't even import the Tricity 125/155 when two-wheeled scooters of equal displacement are imported, homologation problems? Motovista (but also others), you who are more inside because you work give me your opinion ...