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I have a matte black BV 350 and thinking about changing the color for visibility to either the 2020 matte silver or gloss white. What are your thoughts? Also open to other color suggestions...

Thanks in advance
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That's a good an excuse as any to upgrade. But personally I'd just buy a high vis jacket.

I recently switched from a black LX to a white Primavera. Too soon to tell if it'll cut down on the smidsy encounters.
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In my opinion, very little of a scooter's color shows from behind, where you need it most. It's mostly black tires, dark seat, and whatever the rider is wearing. I think you'd get the most from some hi-viz gear. Unless, of course, you don't like matte black.
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Put on some Hi-vis reflective striping on the wheels, fairing tank, etc... Any color would work with matte black. There was a post on here recently where the OP did up his helmet, looked good.
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Smidsy.

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In my opinion, very little of a scooter's color shows from behind, where you need it most. It's mostly black tires, dark seat, and whatever the rider is wearing. I think you'd get the most from some hi-viz gear. Unless, of course, you don't like matte black.
Wear a white helmet.

For those from the correct era and country will remember "Wear something white at night" but it also holds true in the daytime.
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In my opinion, very little of a scooter's color shows from behind, where you need it most. It's mostly black tires, dark seat, and whatever the rider is wearing. I think you'd get the most from some hi-viz gear. Unless, of course, you don't like matte black.
Actually, the leading cause, and 85% IIRC are caused by things in front of you according to the US Gov-commisioned "Hurt Report, officially Motorcycle Accident Cause Factors and Identification of Countermeasures". It was a motorcycle safety study conducted in the United States, initiated in 1976 and published in 1981.The report is named after its primary author, Professor Harry Hurt. Its worth reading through the summary.

Solid, bright colors are best for getting attention of drivers. I wear a green safety vest and a hi viz helmet.

This is worth a watch if you haven't seen it: Drivers just don't see us.They are looking for other things and many times we just don't filter through to their consciousness.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ahg6qcgoay4

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Your cheapest upgrade is high visibility vest and a white helmet.

If you are going for a color change, the latest output from my Vespa Guru is this custom creation 300GTS in Lamborghini Yellow, offset with satin black trim and red highlights.

It is very visible in all light conditions !
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Drivers just don't see us.They are looking for other things and many times we just don't filter through to their consciousness.
Why in California maybe one should look CHiP's-like and in other places like UK the "polite" jacket works. one has to look like something they are looking for?

Even looking like a clown might work
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JKJ-FZ6 wrote:
In my opinion, very little of a scooter's color shows from behind, where you need it most. It's mostly black tires, dark seat, and whatever the rider is wearing. I think you'd get the most from some hi-viz gear. Unless, of course, you don't like matte black.
Actually, the leading cause, and 85% IIRC are caused by things in front of you according to the US Gov-commisioned "Hurt Report, officially Motorcycle Accident Cause Factors and Identification of Countermeasures". It was a motorcycle safety study conducted in the United States, initiated in 1976 and published in 1981.The report is named after its primary author, Professor Harry Hurt. Its worth reading through the summary.

Solid, bright colors are best for getting attention of drivers. I wear a green safety vest and a hi viz helmet.

This is worth a watch if you haven't seen it: Drivers just don't see us.They are looking for other things and many times we just don't filter through to their consciousness.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ahg6qcgoay4

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A two tone color scheme like this might work.
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Easier to get a jacket that attracts attention rather than to repaint that sexy black.

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+1 on the H-Viz jacket and helmet (or white helmet).

When I made the switch (after a SMIDSY) I actually noticed drivers noticing me.

However, some drivers do look through you (cue Beatles song) no matter what you're wearing, so be vigilant at all times and don't assume that you are being seen.
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I have a hi viz yellow helmet , vest and jacket. But I barely see my own reflection on the building glass as I ride by, I just see my hi viz gear. But you maybe right and that may be enough...
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I am sorry for all the misunderstanding here. You were obviously working on this approach to convince your wife that you need a 2020 model. And you were going to point to this thread full of supporting evidence from riding experts. But we let you down! And now you've accepted that all you will be able to get out of this is a new vest. Crying or Very sad emoticon Razz emoticon
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WRT= Wife Reading Thread?
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I myself don't like black. I painted Scoot Life dark cherry and the commuter Hi-viz green.
The cost is going to be high unless you DIY. If you pay someone to do it, they will maximize their profit and paint over the existing paint. A process of scuffing the paint and painting over it. I sanded the panels to bare plastic before painting.
If you do paint it, do a lot of research Nerd emoticon Nerd emoticon Nerd emoticon
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LOL...we should have a "convince the wife thread". I just bought the BV, it's a 2016 with 325 miles on it, so I am not looking for an upgrade because the new bikes have 30hp and mine has 33hp. Love it so far but the invisible matte black scares me a bit on the road with all those people texting, eating, not wearing their glasses etc. while driving...
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OP- if you don't do your own paintwork it might be easier dollar wise to sell and buy another color. Either way in the end it's not justified for visibility. Always on driving lights and improved brake light setup plus a visibility vest make more dollar wise sense.
The front thing already stated is it. Failure to yield right away or pull out accidents are the main type, not simply being seen. I have it AL visibility wise and they still text and talk and run around in a me first fog. They will look right at you and pull out anyway. There alos the red light people now who don't care who's involved or what they look like, they just blast through.
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The front thing already stated is it. Failure to yield right away or pull out accidents are the main type, not simply being seen. I have it AL visibility wise and they still text and talk and run around in a me first fog. They will look right at you and pull out anyway. There alos the red light people now who don't care who's involved or what they look like, they just blast through.
All true.

Maximize your visibility anyway.

Keep your head on a swivel.

Look ahead and anticipate what drivers might do and be ready for it.

Be aware of road conditions.

Be careful out there.
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It's also OK to enjoy riding. The advice here is good but my God you can't ride in constant gear otherwise don't ride. Do whatever you feel works for you but I still stand by my theory that the absolute BEST defence is advanced rider training. I'll take that and wear pure black on a black bike any day over a glowing bike and bright vest and helmet. I just know there are people here that fret over visibility and will not ride if there is a cloud in the sky that have not taken a single course outside of what was required for licensing. No I'm not calling any one out including the OP. It's great to want to be visible but don't neglect training and remember enjoy riding.
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It's also OK to enjoy riding. The advice here is good but my God you can't ride in constant gear otherwise don't ride. Do whatever you feel works for you but I still stand by my theory that the absolute BEST defence is advanced rider training. I'll take that and wear pure black on a black bike any day over a glowing bike and bright vest and helmet. I just know there are people here that fret over visibility and will not ride if there is a cloud in the sky that have not taken a single course outside of what was required for licensing. No I'm not calling any one out including the OP. It's great to want to be visible but don't neglect training and remember enjoy riding.
You make a good point, I have taken the safety courses too. But the thought of a car or SUV coming at you with a distracted driver at the helm is unnerving for anyone
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I certainly don't ride in a burdensome, "worry wort mentality", but I do tell myself to be careful & alert every time I get on. It's worked for me since 1963, knock on wood. The odd's are less than ideal though.
No fender benders on a PTW.
Anything short of a loud speaker blasting away and lights a blazing is mostly a waste.
Surely most of you have noticed how that driver who pulls in front of you will take on a "tunnel vision" posture such as no eye contact, head pointed stiffly ahead through their turn, (perhaps in some weird way) which makes it somehow OK. Once they decide to go! all the paint and other stuff is a waste.
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Re: BV 350 color change question - For visibility
Budz wrote:
I have a matte black BV 350 and thinking about changing the color for visibility to either the 2020 matte silver or gloss white. What are your thoughts? Also open to other color suggestions...

Thanks in advance
Budz, you gotta show us the pics of the black matte BV! Not the boring silver scoot!
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Budz wrote:
I have a matte black BV 350 and thinking about changing the color for visibility to either the 2020 matte silver or gloss white. What are your thoughts? Also open to other color suggestions...

Thanks in advance
Budz, you gotta show us the pics of the black matte BV! Not the boring silver scoot!
Here you are...
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Budz wrote:
Karlsbadd wrote:
Budz wrote:
I have a matte black BV 350 and thinking about changing the color for visibility to either the 2020 matte silver or gloss white. What are your thoughts? Also open to other color suggestions...

Thanks in advance
Budz, you gotta show us the pics of the black matte BV! Not the boring silver scoot!
Here you are...
Where? I just see a wall???
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znomit wrote:
Budz wrote:
Karlsbadd wrote:
Budz wrote:
I have a matte black BV 350 and thinking about changing the color for visibility to either the 2020 matte silver or gloss white. What are your thoughts? Also open to other color suggestions...

Thanks in advance
Budz, you gotta show us the pics of the black matte BV! Not the boring silver scoot!
Here you are...
Where? I just see a wall???
that's funny...
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Budz wrote:
znomit wrote:
Budz wrote:
Karlsbadd wrote:
Budz wrote:
I have a matte black BV 350 and thinking about changing the color for visibility to either the 2020 matte silver or gloss white. What are your thoughts? Also open to other color suggestions...

Thanks in advance
Budz, you gotta show us the pics of the black matte BV! Not the boring silver scoot!
Here you are...
Where? I just see a wall???
that's funny...
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Miguel wrote:
JKJ-FZ6 wrote:
In my opinion, very little of a scooter's color shows from behind, where you need it most. It's mostly black tires, dark seat, and whatever the rider is wearing. I think you'd get the most from some hi-viz gear. Unless, of course, you don't like matte black.
Actually, the leading cause, and 85% IIRC are caused by things in front of you according to the US Gov-commisioned "Hurt Report, officially Motorcycle Accident Cause Factors and Identification of Countermeasures". It was a motorcycle safety study conducted in the United States, initiated in 1976 and published in 1981.The report is named after its primary author, Professor Harry Hurt. Its worth reading through the summary.

Solid, bright colors are best for getting attention of drivers. I wear a green safety vest and a hi viz helmet.

This is worth a watch if you haven't seen it: Drivers just don't see us.They are looking for other things and many times we just don't filter through to their consciousness.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ahg6qcgoay4

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You ARE the dancing bear!!
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Budz wrote:
Karlsbadd wrote:
Budz wrote:
I have a matte black BV 350 and thinking about changing the color for visibility to either the 2020 matte silver or gloss white. What are your thoughts? Also open to other color suggestions...

Thanks in advance
Budz, you gotta show us the pics of the black matte BV! Not the boring silver scoot!
Here you are...
She is...how do you say... beeeautiful. If it's any consolation, I wrapped by BV (it was the pearl white) and now it's a military green. I did struggle with changing to a different level of "visibility" but I always drive defensively, assume the other person doesn't see me, doesn't care. And yeah, hi Viz stuff. I'm also going to throw on the rim reflectors, possibly some yellow reflective "piping" so I'm seen at night. The wraps are nice because you can always "undo" them, go back to the original, or wrap them in something else.

Keep us posted!
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Karlsbadd wrote:
Budz wrote:
Karlsbadd wrote:
Budz wrote:
I have a matte black BV 350 and thinking about changing the color for visibility to either the 2020 matte silver or gloss white. What are your thoughts? Also open to other color suggestions...

Thanks in advance
Budz, you gotta show us the pics of the black matte BV! Not the boring silver scoot!
Here you are...
She is...how do you say... beeeautiful. If it's any consolation, I wrapped by BV (it was the pearl white) and now it's a military green. I did struggle with changing to a different level of "visibility" but I always drive defensively, assume the other person doesn't see me, doesn't care. And yeah, hi Viz stuff. I'm also going to throw on the rim reflectors, possibly some yellow reflective "piping" so I'm seen at night. The wraps are nice because you can always "undo" them, go back to the original, or wrap them in something else.

Keep us posted!
Thanks you. Your warp encouraged me to changed the color of the bike yet be able to return to the original color.
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Budz wrote:
Karlsbadd wrote:
Budz wrote:
Karlsbadd wrote:
Budz wrote:
I have a matte black BV 350 and thinking about changing the color for visibility to either the 2020 matte silver or gloss white. What are your thoughts? Also open to other color suggestions...

Thanks in advance
Budz, you gotta show us the pics of the black matte BV! Not the boring silver scoot!
Here you are...
She is...how do you say... beeeautiful. If it's any consolation, I wrapped by BV (it was the pearl white) and now it's a military green. I did struggle with changing to a different level of "visibility" but I always drive defensively, assume the other person doesn't see me, doesn't care. And yeah, hi Viz stuff. I'm also going to throw on the rim reflectors, possibly some yellow reflective "piping" so I'm seen at night. The wraps are nice because you can always "undo" them, go back to the original, or wrap them in something else.

Keep us posted!
Thanks you. Your warp encouraged me to changed the color of the bike yet be able to return to the original color.
Thanks, Budz! If I change my mind again, it'll be nice to just peel it off. Now, just trying to get it ready for winter. Breaking my own heart... I hate to put it away.
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Budz wrote:
znomit wrote:
Budz wrote:
Karlsbadd wrote:
Budz wrote:
I have a matte black BV 350 and thinking about changing the color for visibility to either the 2020 matte silver or gloss white. What are your thoughts? Also open to other color suggestions...

Thanks in advance
Budz, you gotta show us the pics of the black matte BV! Not the boring silver scoot!
Here you are...
Where? I just see a wall???
that's funny...
LOL...love it!
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