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Sun Jul 31, 2022 5:07 am linkquote
All comments and thoughts are welcome.

I have one and it looks good, looks like quality, looks like a proper design, Perfect fit for GTS 300, has a nice cap and sealing surface, and is thick enough production material. Does seems like blow-molded production or ma-bee rotational-molded??
Thanks





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Sun Jul 31, 2022 6:15 am

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Sun Jul 31, 2022 6:15 am linkquote
Is that plumbed into the fuel system or just a handy way to carry spare fuel that you then use to top off the regular fuel tank? Also who sells it and how much?
Sun Jul 31, 2022 6:35 am

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Sun Jul 31, 2022 6:35 am linkquote
Yes, you must pump it into the main tank by hand. I got it through Amazon But other importers sell it as well under several different names. I used amazon for the easy return policy! cost About $80.00
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08F1SRF65?
A blow mold enclosure should give no seam but you may see what looks like a seam and this line on the outside if blow molded would be the mold parting line. I will take a good look taday at the line.
psc=1&ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_product_detailsUSD
kshansen wrote:
Is that plumbed into the fuel system or just a handy way to carry spare fuel that you then use to top off the regular fuel tank? Also who sells it and how much?
Sun Jul 31, 2022 7:15 am

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Sun Jul 31, 2022 7:15 am linkquote
Strange wording on the website: The fuel tank comes with an oil pump. When your GTS is out of oil, pump oil to the tank at any time Is oil mentioned, because using that set-up for fuel wouldn't comply with safety regulations or worse, with common sense safety procedures?
Sun Jul 31, 2022 7:15 am

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Sun Jul 31, 2022 7:15 am linkquote
What you do with a pony tank on a dirt bike is hook up the auxiliary tank outlet to the main tank vent, vacuum draws down the auxiliary tank 1st
Generally the aux tank was above the main, leaving the main tank full, completely full, including the hose

The one shown would need to have a vented cap
The two tanks being at the same level, could be an issue
It would be handy to have an inline valve on the hose
Use the evap hose that is the tank vent to connect the aux tank, plug the other evap hose going to the manifold

Another option is to raise the aux tank above the scooter tank, the gas will keep flowing, again a shut off would be handy
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Sun Jul 31, 2022 7:16 am

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Sun Jul 31, 2022 7:16 am linkquote
Or it's meant for two stroke oil?!
Sun Jul 31, 2022 8:09 am

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Sun Jul 31, 2022 8:09 am linkquote
I took it as wording from countries with many diesel vehicles and the use of oil is sometimes used to indicate diesel or petrol
giallo wrote:
Strange wording on the website: The fuel tank comes with an oil pump. When your GTS is out of oil, pump oil to the tank at any time Is oil mentioned, because using that set-up for fuel wouldn't comply with safety regulations or worse, with common sense safety procedures?
Sun Jul 31, 2022 8:59 am

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Sun Jul 31, 2022 8:59 am linkquote
"oil" is just an odd translation issue. It's for fuel. I came across this video demonstrating its use a few months ago while researching spare fuel carrying solutions. It looks like a great solution, though I chose Rotopax.
Sun Jul 31, 2022 9:04 am

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Sun Jul 31, 2022 9:04 am linkquote
Ok, makes sense. It does look like it's making good use of the space and right near where you need it.
Sun Jul 31, 2022 1:38 pm

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Sun Jul 31, 2022 1:38 pm linkquote
I don't see any DOT approval
Poly tanks may be for off road / race track use, the polyethylene allows small amount of fumes to pass through
Sun Jul 31, 2022 4:44 pm

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Sun Jul 31, 2022 4:44 pm linkquote
The seller is saying ABS is the tank material
Garthhh wrote:
I don't see any DOT approval
Poly tanks may be for off road / race track use, the polyethylene allows small amount of fumes to pass through
Sun Jul 31, 2022 5:40 pm

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Sun Jul 31, 2022 5:40 pm linkquote
Abs isn't compatible with gasoline, probably another typo/mis translation
The lack of an explicit on road DOT approval remains

Functionally it's fine
Hopefully there is a check valve built into the cap vent in case of a tip over...
Worst case is fuel stored long term will turn to varnish very slightly faster

Your insurance carrier could take a dim view of having non approved aftermarket fuel tank in the event of an accident, chances of such a thing coming up are small...

It looks like a reasonable range extender solution
My butt is only good for 90 minutes 2 wheels or 4
Sun Jul 31, 2022 5:45 pm

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Sun Jul 31, 2022 5:45 pm linkquote
NO check valve, no valve of any kind in the cap.
Garthhh wrote:
Abs isn't compatible with gasoline, probably another typo/mis translation
The lack of an explicit on road DOT approval remains

Functionally it's fine
Hopefully there is a check valve built into the cap vent in case of a tip over...
Worst case is fuel stored long term will turn to varnish very slightly faster

Your insurance carrier could take a dim view of having non approved aftermarket fuel tank in the event of an accident, chances of such a thing coming up are small...

It looks like a reasonable range extender solution
My butt is only good for 90 minutes 2 wheels or 4
Sun Jul 31, 2022 8:21 pm

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Sun Jul 31, 2022 8:21 pm linkquote
I'd be interested in a version for the 150.
Mon Aug 01, 2022 3:12 am

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Mon Aug 01, 2022 3:12 am linkquote
My pet carrier gets very warm when riding, and I would hesitate carrying a jug of gasoline in there. There are other options that I think would be better.
Mon Aug 01, 2022 4:45 am

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Mon Aug 01, 2022 4:45 am linkquote
FYI Amazon will not accept a return on this product. Even though the Amazon page says returns are accepted.

So this may go into the mini museum. Or a Beer holder?
Mon Aug 01, 2022 7:20 am

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Mon Aug 01, 2022 7:20 am linkquote
onevw wrote:
FYI Amazon will not accept a return on this product. Even though the Amazon page says returns are accepted.

So this may go into the mini museum. Or a Beer holder?
On any product not fulfilled by Amazon, the returns are controlled by the company doing the fulfillment. For example, the Shad SH40 case supplied by Brixiamoto in Italy is not returnable to Amazon. IF it is fulfilled by Amazon, it is returnable to Amazon. It isn't the reliability of the product, it is the item fulfillment provider of the product.
If item is provided by a third party, but is fulfilled by Amazon, then the Amazon return procedure is in place...such as returning to their Whole Foods grocery stores in most situations.
Always check under below the add to cart button to see if it is shipped by Amazon.
As this is a world forum, I do not know if this policy is the same outside the USA.
Mon Aug 01, 2022 8:04 am

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Mon Aug 01, 2022 8:04 am linkquote
znomit wrote:
I'd be interested in a version for the 150.
Same, I like the idea. The nice thing about this rather than having fuel mounted up high (top case position) is that you keep the center of gravity centered down low, and centered between the axles. It makes for easier handling than having the weight up high (makes the bike feel top heavy) and behind the rear axle (makes the bike feel rear heavy).
SteveMster wrote:
My pet carrier gets very warm when riding, and I would hesitate carrying a jug of gasoline in there. There are other options that I think would be better.
lol you really don't need to worry about that. Fuel needs to be 247 degrees celcius or about 476 degrees farenheit to ignite without a spark.

If your pet carrier ever reaches that temperature it's because the rest of your Vespa has already been burning in a fire quite a while
Mon Aug 01, 2022 8:17 am

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Mon Aug 01, 2022 8:17 am linkquote
centersmith wrote:
"oil" is just an odd translation issue. It's for fuel. I came across this video demonstrating its use a few months ago while researching spare fuel carrying solutions. It looks like a great solution, though I chose Rotopax.
I love this guy's videos. He's so good. Thanks for sharing that.

If I was commuting daily on a GTS I would grab that in a heartbeat.
Mon Aug 01, 2022 8:24 am

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Mon Aug 01, 2022 8:24 am linkquote
It's an interesting option, in that it's relatively unobtrusive residing in the pet carrier. But I use all of the available space in the pet carrier for my rain gear, tire repair kit and tool roll.

Using MSR bottles strapped to the underside of the rear rack would be just as convenient. Or a fully plumbed gravity fed Aux tank with the supply line connected to the vent in the filler neck for long distance riding. I carried both on Cannonball, although the MSR bottle was there to give fuel to another rider in urgent need.



Mon Aug 01, 2022 1:20 pm

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Mon Aug 01, 2022 1:20 pm linkquote
onevw wrote:
NO check valve, no valve of any kind in the cap.
Can you see through the cap vent hole?
The check valve might just be a flap that covers the vent hole
The lack of a check valve would be another reason no DOT certification
Mon Aug 01, 2022 6:03 pm

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Mon Aug 01, 2022 6:03 pm linkquote
adri wrote:
Same, I like the idea. The nice thing about this rather than having fuel mounted up high (top case position) is that you keep the center of gravity centered down low, and centered between the axles. It makes for easier handling than having the weight up high (makes the bike feel top heavy) and behind the rear axle (makes the bike feel rear heavy).



lol you really don't need to worry about that. Fuel needs to be 247 degrees celcius or about 476 degrees farenheit to ignite without a spark.

If your pet carrier ever reaches that temperature it's because the rest of your Vespa has already been burning in a fire quite a while
Perhaps, but seems unnecessary when there are other options.
Mon Aug 01, 2022 7:42 pm

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Mon Aug 01, 2022 7:42 pm linkquote
SteveMster wrote:
Perhaps, but seems unnecessary when there are other options.
Every mod is unnecessary and has other options. Guess I better just return all of my bikes to stock and never change any future bikes ever again!
Mon Aug 01, 2022 8:07 pm

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Mon Aug 01, 2022 8:07 pm linkquote
I was comparing this to a Rotopax. I just noticed Rotopax doesn't list as DOT approved. Says EPA and CARB approved. DOT approval is the rating for public roads across the USA? The EPA is for environment and doesn't qualify for road use. Of course CARB is California.
Rotopax also has 2 warnings on their site saying you have to vent the container. One says often. The other says with temp or elevation change.
So, I went to the garage and checked the 5 gallon gas can I purchased from Wally World 5 years ago...nope, nothing in all the plastic printing that says DOT. It is bright red but not certification, so I guess that makes it non-DOT.
Checked my Reda can. EPA and CARB. (by the website, didn't actually look at the can)
Seems ALL my gasoline cans do not have DOT certification.

Do the cans require DOT for on public road use or not?
If so, this would mean buying gas for my mower and bringing it home on the scooter or in the car is illegal, right?

Inquiring minds want to know
Mon Aug 01, 2022 8:09 pm

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Mon Aug 01, 2022 8:09 pm linkquote
So much overthinking going on.
Tue Aug 02, 2022 12:05 pm

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Tue Aug 02, 2022 12:05 pm linkquote
znomit wrote:
So much overthinking going on.
Isn't scooterist a synonym for provocateur?
Tue Aug 02, 2022 6:32 pm

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Tue Aug 02, 2022 6:32 pm linkquote
znomit wrote:
So much overthinking going on.
The retirees per capita of this forum means we're much more likely to have a lot of people with a lot more people with too much free time than on other message boards. It's a gift and a curse lol
Tue Aug 02, 2022 8:01 pm

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Tue Aug 02, 2022 8:01 pm linkquote
znomit wrote:
So much overthinking going on.
😂

In the days when I wanted extra fuel (now days I don't mind stopping and stretching my legs) I just strapped a pony keg on the sissy bar, inserted a fuel tap, and ran a length of fuel line to a tee in the main fuel line. Ugly, but it worked. No EPA, CARB, DOT, etc.

This idea was inspired by chopper legend Dick Allen seen here.



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Thu Aug 04, 2022 5:47 pm linkquote
Clampett wrote:
I was comparing this to a Rotopax. I just noticed Rotopax doesn't list as DOT approved. Says EPA and CARB approved. DOT approval is the rating for public roads across the USA? The EPA is for environment and doesn't qualify for road use. Of course CARB is California.
Rotopax also has 2 warnings on their site saying you have to vent the container. One says often. The other says with temp or elevation change.
So, I went to the garage and checked the 5 gallon gas can I purchased from Wally World 5 years ago...nope, nothing in all the plastic printing that says DOT. It is bright red but not certification, so I guess that makes it non-DOT.
Checked my Reda can. EPA and CARB. (by the website, didn't actually look at the can)
Seems ALL my gasoline cans do not have DOT certification.

Do the cans require DOT for on public road use or not?
If so, this would mean buying gas for my mower and bringing it home on the scooter or in the car is illegal, right?

Inquiring minds want to know
When trying to street legalize a dirt bike the gas tank can fuqk you up depending on who does the inspection

Carrying gas & adding a fuel tank to a over the road vehicle are similar, but not the same either in practical or legal terms, somewhere tucked away in the boiler plate are the words for off road use...

It's all fun & games until the cop starts looking for things to cite you for
It's all fun & games until your insurance refuses coverage/cancels

In reality it will never come up, except on the worst day of your life [cue Curb Your Enthusiasm tubas]
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