My kit is in the country.
Just waiting for customs clearance and delivery.
Do I detect a need for photos of the upgrade going in?
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My kit is in the country.
Just waiting for customs clearance and delivery. Do I detect a need for photos of the upgrade going in? |
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Willie B wrote: My fully kitted Malossi 250GTS runs very well. Drop in behind someone that's rolling on the freeway and triple digit indicated speed comes easy, and it will run 80+ all day long. I rode it a lot immediately after modding, but haven't had the time the past few years. The increase in displacement helps, and it seems to breathe much easier. If I found myself only having one bike, the GTS would be my keeper. It's easy to ride and park, handles brilliantly, very stable at speed and has been completely reliable. Blowing by folks on the motorway always gets the WTF look, and hanging behind someone cutting a hole in the wind is a hoot. I've also upgraded the suspension (Malossi) and bushings (Clauss Studio), tires, exhaust to Akrapovic with a SIP exhaust stub, lighting to ScooterWest's LED kit and Brembos fore and aft. I'm also running a Vespa short screen. It's a sleeper, sporting the stock rear rack, front bumper and crash bars. I've contemplated purchasing a 2020, but waiting for compatible brake, variator and engine tuning options. As I understand, they're limited in speed by the variator and speed limiter? |
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Fudmucker wrote: My kit is in the country. Just waiting for customs clearance and delivery. Do I detect a need for photos of the upgrade going in? Thanks Fudmucker |
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Stromrider wrote: Willie B wrote: My fully kitted Malossi 250GTS runs very well. Drop in behind someone that's rolling on the freeway and triple digit indicated speed comes easy, and it will run 80+ all day long. I rode it a lot immediately after modding, but haven't had the time the past few years. The increase in displacement helps, and it seems to breathe much easier. If I found myself only having one bike, the GTS would be my keeper. It's easy to ride and park, handles brilliantly, very stable at speed and has been completely reliable. Blowing by folks on the motorway always gets the WTF look, and hanging behind someone cutting a hole in the wind is a hoot. I've also upgraded the suspension (Malossi) and bushings (Clauss Studio), tires, exhaust to Akrapovic with a SIP exhaust stub, lighting to ScooterWest's LED kit and Brembos fore and aft. I'm also running a Vespa short screen. It's a sleeper, sporting the stock rear rack, front bumper and crash bars. I've contemplated purchasing a 2020, but waiting for compatible brake, variator and engine tuning options. As I understand, they're limited in speed by the variator and speed limiter? |
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Willie B wrote: Stromrider wrote: Willie B wrote: My fully kitted Malossi 250GTS runs very well. Drop in behind someone that's rolling on the freeway and triple digit indicated speed comes easy, and it will run 80+ all day long. I rode it a lot immediately after modding, but haven't had the time the past few years. The increase in displacement helps, and it seems to breathe much easier. If I found myself only having one bike, the GTS would be my keeper. It's easy to ride and park, handles brilliantly, very stable at speed and has been completely reliable. Blowing by folks on the motorway always gets the WTF look, and hanging behind someone cutting a hole in the wind is a hoot. I've also upgraded the suspension (Malossi) and bushings (Clauss Studio), tires, exhaust to Akrapovic with a SIP exhaust stub, lighting to ScooterWest's LED kit and Brembos fore and aft. I'm also running a Vespa short screen. It's a sleeper, sporting the stock rear rack, front bumper and crash bars. I've contemplated purchasing a 2020, but waiting for compatible brake, variator and engine tuning options. As I understand, they're limited in speed by the variator and speed limiter? |
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My Polini kit was delivered this afternoon from my contact in Germany.
(Ask no questions and I'll tell no lies how I got it before the official agents...) D Vespa guru and I looked at it and it is fascinating...! The cylinder is Nicasil finish with a small step at the top to squish into the standard 75mm head. That means that the piston will not pass all the way up through the cylinder. I am off to the Dyno guy on Tuesday morning for a "before" benchmark reading. We will do another "after" reading, fitting the Polini kit only. Dyno guy is in racing developments, so we may do further development thereafter with head skimming work to up the compression ratio a bit. I live at 4 500ft ASL so every little bit helps. |
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Mike Holland wrote: Willie B wrote: I've contemplated purchasing a 2020, but waiting for compatible brake, variator and engine tuning options. As I understand, they're limited in speed by the variator and speed limiter? |
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Can't imagine why not. What's different with the Sei Giorni except the saddle, handlebars , instruments and headlight?
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Fudmucker wrote: My Polini kit was delivered this afternoon from my contact in Germany. (Ask no questions and I'll tell no lies how I got it before the official agents...) D Vespa guru and I looked at it and it is fascinating...! The cylinder is Nicasil finish with a small step at the top to squish into the standard 75mm head. That means that the piston will not pass all the way up through the cylinder. I am off to the Dyno guy on Tuesday morning for a "before" benchmark reading. We will do another "after" reading, fitting the Polini kit only. Dyno guy is in racing developments, so we may do further development thereafter with head skimming work to up the compression ratio a bit. I live at 4 500ft ASL so every little bit helps. ![]() Luckily we are here at sea level. |
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I rode my GS150 from Johannesburg, 5700 feet above sea level, to Cape Town in 1961, and found it had better acceleration in second gear there at sea level than in first gear in Johannesburg.
Of course it doesn't make as much difference with a four stroke and fuel injection which adapts. |
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The engines today have sensors that read the amount of oxygen in the intake and the ECU adapts to the operating conditions by optimizing the fuel injection, with the carburetor it would be less easy to do it.
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The outcome will be better if you don't try to fix it, but use the centering bushings that came with the kit and follow the instructions. The kit doesn't use o-rings. You can probably look at it and figure out what's going to happen if you enlarge the holes enough to install the o-rings on the factory cylinder.
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Motovista wrote: The outcome will be better if you don't try to fix it, but use the centering bushings that came with the kit and follow the instructions. The kit doesn't use o-rings. You can probably look at it and figure out what's going to happen if you enlarge the holes enough to install the o-rings on the factory cylinder. EDIT: OMIT totally incorrect, unwarranted, unjustified, unreasonable observation totally indicative of haste and enthusiasm overcoming reason and intellect The kit is fitted, the motor is back in Sunny and we watered up, oiled up and gassed up yesterday evening. This morning I get to ride it in it's new configuration. I will run in for 500kms before I put it on the dyno again. Just for interests sake, when we examined the existing factory cylinder at the engineering works, the technician pointed out that the original cross honing marks in the cylinder were still visible - after 42 000kms on the motor! PS: Getting those three rings into one slot in the Polini piston is a serious pain in the posterior! It took longer to get them in that to reassemble the motor. ![]() ![]() ⚠️ Last edited by Fudmucker on UTC; edited 4 times
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Fudmucker wrote: PS: Getting those three rings into one slot in the Polini piston is a serious pain in the posterior! It took longer to get them in that to reassemble the motor. |
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Fudmucker wrote: So, Vespa guru and I started the installation of the Polini kit today... One word of warning: When stripping the engine the little ring on the back of the compression release cam EASILY drops off and can fall into the crankcase via the timing chain tunnel. (See pic from manual) Stuff a rag into the timing chain tunnel before removal to prevent this. All went well until we started fitting the kit. Don't get me wrong, the materials are really quality. The instructions suck. ("Remove the engine from the oil.') The real pain in the posterior was NOT a manufacturing glitch The standard head requires the installation of two centering dowel tubes and 4x O-rings. The Polini cylinder top has not been milled to accept these - BECAUSE THEY PROVIDED ALTERNATIVES! If you buy a Polini kit, ensure that you look for the tiny parts in the little plastic bag that fell out of the box onto the cluttered workbench and then onto the floor! ![]()
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Fudmucker wrote: znomit wrote: I usually don't mind seeing a short skirt but isn't that one a little too revealing? ![]() |
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Actually (as in most cases of exploded views) the true image is not exactly what you see on the diagram. The Polini piston has a far more substantial skirt.
In addition, the stepped centering bushes are shown upside down. The wider diameter portion goes into the head, the narrow diameter portion goes into the cylinder block. BTW, where does this diagram come from? There definitely isn't one in the kit. ![]() |
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Fudmucker wrote: BTW, where does this diagram come from? There definitely isn't one in the kit. |
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NZscoot wrote: Hmm , we're waiting with bated breath on the next installment. Now how does it goooo.... Vespa guru is very happy with it and is now planning to install one on his own bike - a 2018 GTS. |
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Great stuff.
Kits may not strictly make sense unless you're rebuilding your top end anyway, but my word, they are FUN! |
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Sunny went in for some paintwork repair.
I will only have her back next Friday. Then I can continue riding her during bedding-in. Sorry for the wait... |
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So...
I called the repair place to follow up on my Sunny's repairs. The repair and prep work is completed, but the paintwork was delayed by an urgent order from the military in preparation for the lock-down. I am not going to get Sunny back before the lock-down. The painter guy lives on a smallholding just out of town. His repair business is on the property, so he can continue the work during lock-down... I would not have been able to ride her anyway. |
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Hi Fudmucker, is there any new news from your sunny. Because I also want to order same polini 294 cc kit to my scoot. please share your opinion with us
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kafi wrote: Hi Fudmucker, is there any new news from your sunny. Because I also want to order same polini 294 cc kit to my scoot. please share your opinion with us She hasn't come back from the shop yet because they are not allowed to trade yet. I have no idea when we will be permitted to do so I am now seriously suffering from Parked Vespa Syndrome. |
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I collected Sunny back from her paint repairs yesterday.
Now I have to wait for the dinamometer place to be permitted to open again after lock-down. |
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Fudmucker wrote: I collected Sunny back from her paint repairs yesterday. Now I have to wait for the dinamometer place to be permitted to open again after lock-down. Quote: Is there any news? |
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kafi wrote: Fudmucker wrote: I collected Sunny back from her paint repairs yesterday. Now I have to wait for the dinamometer place to be permitted to open again after lock-down. Dynamometers are not classified an "essential service" - along with hairdressers, beauty consultants, open-toed shoes, short sleeved T-shirts and a long list of activities. Automotive service shops are permitted to do "emergency repairs" on vehicles with an "essential service" certificate - but they are not permitted to service them. Unbelievable, I know. |
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Fudmucker wrote: kafi wrote: Fudmucker wrote: I collected Sunny back from her paint repairs yesterday. Now I have to wait for the dinamometer place to be permitted to open again after lock-down. Dynamometers are not classified an "essential service" - along with hairdressers, beauty consultants, open-toed shoes, short sleeved T-shirts and a long list of activities. Automotive service shops are permitted to do "emergency repairs" on vehicles with an "essential service" certificate - but they are not permitted to service them. Unbelievable, I know. |
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Any further information on this kit?
I wanted to flip the switch on ordering the Polini cylinder from SIP, but I have not been able to find any reviews on it. Specifically on how it compares with the Malossi Big Bore kit.
Is the size of just doing the Polini cylinder better then doing the Malossi cylinder and head? Would/Should/Could the Polini cylinder use the Malossi Head? Would/Should/Could an upgraded cam be used with the Polini cylinder? Does the included Polini fuel controller adapt the rev limiter like the Malossi Force Master? Thanks in advance! |
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Sorry Shaun, I could not answer your questions.
I had the means and the opportunity to buy the Polini kit and it just seemed a simpler solution to the "more power" urge. I have not yet been able to dyno test it as they are still locked down. I do have a mildly irritating hunting idle when the engine is cold and an occasional stall at the traffic lights that I have not yet resolved. I need to ride it in a little more before I fiddle to fix those two. |
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