Wed Nov 10, 2021 9:06 am

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Wed Nov 10, 2021 9:06 am linkquote
Fudmucker wrote:
The vaccine does not make you immune - just far less likely to die.
Actually there are many studies available which document that any of the approved vaccines make you much less likely to become infected with Covid, much less likely to be hospitalized with Covid, AND much less likely to die with Covid.
Wed Nov 10, 2021 11:26 am

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Wed Nov 10, 2021 11:26 am linkquote
Dooglas wrote:
Actually there are many studies available which document that any of the approved vaccines make you much less likely to become infected with Covid, much less likely to be hospitalized with Covid, AND much less likely to die with Covid.
And much less likely to spread Covid.
Wed Nov 10, 2021 4:45 pm

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Wed Nov 10, 2021 4:45 pm linkquote
fledermaus wrote:
Debate on vaccination mandates of course still raging here, not surprisingly. More surprised to see a protest in New Zealand, apparently complete with, er, flags depicting a certain American that they're welcome to keep...
It's not the first time they've been a bit confused about where they are...

Former Police Minister Judith Collins described how she had tried to introduce stricter gun laws in New Zealand but was met with opposition....

"They talked about how we were trying to take away their Second Amendment right to own guns."

I watched a Finnish TV police show where someone wouldn't allow the police to enter without a search warrant. The officer told the person that they needed to watch less American Tv, and entered the house.
Wed Nov 10, 2021 6:42 pm

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Wed Nov 10, 2021 6:42 pm linkquote
Our 10-year-old daughter received her first COVID vaccination today.
Wed Nov 10, 2021 8:06 pm

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Wed Nov 10, 2021 8:06 pm linkquote
Motovista wrote:
I watched a Finnish TV police show where someone wouldn't allow the police to enter without a search warrant. The officer told the person that they needed to watch less American Tv, and entered the house.
hahaha
Wed Nov 10, 2021 8:43 pm

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Wed Nov 10, 2021 8:43 pm linkquote
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"They talked about how we were trying to take away their Second Amendment right "
What with the ozone hole and all short sleeves are basically guaranteed to give you skin cancer in NZ.

Also we are distinctly lacking in Ursidae so why would we need their upper limbs?
Wed Nov 10, 2021 9:06 pm

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Wed Nov 10, 2021 9:06 pm linkquote
Guzzi Gal wrote:
Our 10-year-old daughter received her first COVID vaccination today.
Wed Nov 10, 2021 9:29 pm

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Wed Nov 10, 2021 9:29 pm linkquote
Motovista wrote:
Former Police Minister Judith Collins described how she had tried to introduce stricter gun laws in New Zealand but was met with opposition....
Don't get me started on gun rights...
We have none in South Africa.
The latest move is to not recognise 'self defense' as justification to have a firearm license.
I won't go on.
Wed Nov 10, 2021 9:33 pm

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Wed Nov 10, 2021 9:33 pm linkquote
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Our 10-year-old daughter received her first COVID vaccination today.


BTW, GG on Gigi... intentional?
Thu Nov 11, 2021 7:01 am

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Thu Nov 11, 2021 7:01 am linkquote
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BTW, GG on Gigi... intentional?
Nah, I was Guzzi Gal, GG for short, on the Wild Guzzi forum about a year before getting the Vespas. I named her Brigitte Bardot because she was drop-dead gorgeous. I suppose Bebe would have worked, but GiGi fit her sex-kitten appeal.


A young, innocent-looking Brigitte Bardot.

Fri Nov 12, 2021 4:37 am

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Fri Nov 12, 2021 4:37 am linkquote
jimc wrote:
Could be the cull the human species needs.
Could be..

but wasn't

https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1459105268881629197?s=20
Fri Nov 12, 2021 12:15 pm

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Fri Nov 12, 2021 12:15 pm linkquote
Thrice now am I



Sat Nov 13, 2021 2:41 am

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Sat Nov 13, 2021 2:41 am linkquote
Our government decided to drop the hammer on unvaccinated people by making their lives even more difficult. They now need to carry with them a 48hour negative rapid or PCR test to even get in a supermarket. Same was for cafes, restaurants, etc. Our positive cases have skyrocketed, ICUs and hospitals are in the red and deaths started rising again. Schools are probably going to be closed again since they are the most transmitting places…
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Sun Nov 14, 2021 12:08 am linkquote
I'm surprised by how strong the antivax feeling in Greece is, I have THREE intelligent relatives there included. One niece went on vacation to Naxos this summer with her family, they all got Covid. Both kids & husband got over it, but she's still is a wreck from the ongoing effects. Social media, thanks a bunch.

I got my boost yesterday, last night was hella sore arm, today hit by bus earlier and now better. Seems odd, nothing happened at all my first two shots and all three were Pfizer.
Sun Nov 14, 2021 12:33 am

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Sun Nov 14, 2021 12:33 am linkquote
V oodoo wrote:
I'm surprised by how strong the antivax feeling in Greece is, I have THREE intelligent relatives there included. One niece went on vacation to Naxos this summer with her family, they all got Covid. Both kids & husband got over it, but she's still is a wreck from the ongoing effects. Social media, thanks a bunch.
In most non-english speaking places, social media algorithms that boost engagement and ad revenues at all costs are not as well reined in as here in the US.
Granted, the reining in here is negligible at best.

Where we are:
https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/covid-vaccine-mandates-push-holdouts-get-shot-detox-rcna4859

In a TikTok video that has garnered hundreds of thousands of views, Dr. Carrie Madej outlined the ingredients for a bath she said will "detox the vaxx" for people who have given in to Covid-19 vaccine mandates.
Baking soda and epsom salts provide a "radiation detox" to remove the radiation Madej believes is activated by the vaccine. Bentonite clay will add a "major pull of poison," she says, based on an idea in anti-vaccine communities that toxins can be removed from the body with clay.

Then, she recommends adding in one cup of borax to "take nanotechnologies out of you."

The last person I heard say something like that was naked and trying to buy meth on a street corner. What pisses me off the most is all the "experts" telling people this doesn't work. If you want to get them vaccinated, give this away free with every shot and tell them it works better than ivermectin. Really, it does. Go get the vaccine and then do this, unless you want to keep the great cell phone reception.

How we got here:
https://www.sorryantivaxxer.com/post/dr-edward-vanek-do-atwater-ca-orthopedic-surgeon-anti-vaxx-dead-from-covid

"On Monday, the city of Atwater became the first Merced County city to declare an emergency situation, after Mayor Paul Creighton introduced a last minute resolution to the City Council agenda. The resolution was supported unanimously by the council. Creighton cited confirmed cases of coronavirus in Madera and Fresno counties as a threat to Atwater. On Wednesday, nearby Stanislaus County reported two cases of coronavirus. Atwater's resolution named local orthopedic surgeon Dr. Edward Vanek as a voluntary medical adviser to the city. Vanek will serve as a liaison between the medical community and Atwater, ensuring that the city is informed by a medical professional, according to the resolution. County Supervisor Daron McDaniel, whose district 3 encompasses Atwater, described the resolution as an extra step. He recommended Vanek join the daily status calls between local officials, agencies and healthcare professionals so as to not duplicate efforts."



Sun Nov 14, 2021 5:29 pm

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Sun Nov 14, 2021 5:29 pm linkquote
I hadn't seen any good data presented this way so I dug it out and plotted it on my own.
This is for 28 European countries (doesn't include the UK as the general European snobbery has chosen not to think of the UK as a European nation anymore...) so sorted by order of vaccination rate, the names withheld for ease of viewing but they're publicly available. Vaccine rates were from Nov. 4th, the case/death data I believe through Oct 30th so it's pretty close.

The sources are the Euro CDC for the vaccination rates and Epidemic Intelligence National Data which is basically government self reporting for illnesses and deaths.

I used Europe only so that we're kind of comparing apples to apples but that's never a true given.

I think it's a clear case. Deaths follow the same trajectory as cases but obviously a couple of orders of magnitudes lower. Deaths are even sketchier measurements than illnesses because of the way they're counted and may be counted differently by country.

Lots of variability but being a fan of general statistics. I think you can make a pretty good argument that though not an end all, the vaccines have significant influence.

I think there's less of argument about the efficacy of the vaccines but more about side affects and unknowns. That's harder to plot as most of the data on serious illness and deaths associated with the vaccines come from sketchier sources and on the other side, don't get reported at all by pro-vaccine organizations.





Sun Nov 14, 2021 6:44 pm

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Sun Nov 14, 2021 6:44 pm linkquote
WLeuthold wrote:
I have a friend who should have died.

She was in the hospital getting tests when she had an aneurysm in the back of her head.

The neurologist performed incredibly detailed work, feeding a wire through the artery, then using it somehow to block the leak.

The doctor's name was Dr. Miracle.
That procedure is called Coiling. The idea being that the coils of thin, platinum wire will stop any further bleeding. Coiling is only available if the aneurysm is shaped like a balloon - narrow neck, wide further out.

I know this because my wife suffered a balloon-shaped bleed in 2004. Her doctor's name was Dr Albuquerque. That was the name my wife gave to our first dog. Coincidence?
Sun Nov 14, 2021 6:56 pm

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Sun Nov 14, 2021 6:56 pm linkquote
lomunchi wrote:
This is for 28 European countries (doesn't include the UK as the general European snobbery has chosen not to think of the UK as a European nation anymore...)
To be fair, the UK appears not to want to be a European nation anymore. That's certainly the implication of their actions, anyway.
lomunchi wrote:
so sorted by order of vaccination rate, the names withheld for ease of viewing but they're publicly available. Vaccine rates were from Nov. 4th, the case/death data I believe through Oct 30th so it's pretty close.
Very cool chart!
Mon Nov 15, 2021 9:00 am

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Mon Nov 15, 2021 9:00 am linkquote
An email from my employer:
Quote:
Reminder: Quarantine changes go into effect today

With COVID-19 vaccines readily available and the majority of district employees being fully vaccinated against the virus, employees are reminded that [the school district] is making changes to its quarantine procedures. Starting Nov. 15, the district will no longer offer paid quarantine leave for unvaccinated employees who have had close contact with someone who tested positive for the virus.

Employees who have had close contact with someone who tested positive must still follow established reporting procedures. Depending on individual specifics of the COVID exposure, if an employee who is not vaccinated comes into contact with someone who has tested positive for COVID-19 and is required to quarantine, the time used will be deducted from the employee's paid time off (PTO) balance.

Unvaccinated staff who are deemed a close contact are required to be quarantined and will be unable to report to the work environment for at least 7 days with a negative COVID test on day 5, 6 or 7.
Employees who are fully vaccinated against COVID-19 are not required to quarantine after a close contact with someone who has tested positive unless otherwise directed by a medical professional, Health Services Department or government agency. Employees who are symptomatic or experiencing a breakthrough infection can apply for local EPSL in which they may receive up to 10 paid days of leave.

Prior to the wide availability to the COVID-19 vaccine, quarantining exposed, symptomatic, or COVID-positive individuals was the main course of action for mitigating the spread of COVID-19. This resulted in a large loss of human capital both in the classroom and in campus support services such as Central Operations and Central Business Services.

During the height of the pandemic and in the best interest of the safety and health of students and staff, quarantine periods of 10 or 14 days were approved based on CDC guidance. During the 2020-2021 school year, data shows that over 7,100 employees were quarantined for at least one time and almost 1,200 employees quarantined multiple times, resulting in almost 55,000 days of quarantine. Many of the close contacts that led to the quarantine occurred outside of the work setting at night, weekends and holidays.
Prior to today, any employee who tested positive got 10 paid days of quarantine, regardless of vaccination status.
Mon Nov 15, 2021 10:22 am

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Mon Nov 15, 2021 10:22 am linkquote
lomunchi wrote:
......the general European snobbery has chosen not to think of the UK as a European nation anymore...
I think you got this one backwards. Brexit was not about European snobbery.
Mon Nov 15, 2021 5:34 pm

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Mon Nov 15, 2021 5:34 pm linkquote
Dooglas wrote:
I think you got this one backwards. Brexit was not about European snobbery.
The pettiness goes both ways. I support offices in the UK and Germany. Smugness is universal and Brexit wasn't necessarily one sided.
Mon Nov 15, 2021 5:47 pm

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Mon Nov 15, 2021 5:47 pm linkquote
My county has not had a mask mandate for months. The county I work in still has them. One of the few counties in Indiana that still does. The infection rates between the two are similar. People in the county I work in are starting to be over it. Two places I went into today saw me putting on my mask and said don't worry about it. People can only take so much I guess.
Mon Nov 15, 2021 7:49 pm

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Mon Nov 15, 2021 7:49 pm linkquote
The grown-ups are still in charge. There will be many more like this to follow. Wheels, justice, slowly etc.
A doctor from Oregon who said mask-wearing could lead to carbon-dioxide poisoning got his medical license revoked
https://www.businessinsider.com/oregon-doctor-who-spread-covid-misinformation-gets-license-revoked-2021-9

Here's the order

https://omb.oregon.gov/Clients/ORMB/OrderDocuments/6f460081-4771-441c-a5e7-2a4c3c203523.pdf
Tue Nov 16, 2021 4:28 am

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Tue Nov 16, 2021 4:28 am linkquote
unless we want the whole thread to descend into a flaming mess, probably best to not mention the B word



EVER!
Tue Nov 16, 2021 1:00 pm

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Tue Nov 16, 2021 1:00 pm linkquote
I just got all boostered up.

In the entrance to a busy Publix grocery store.

So weird.

Bill
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Thu Nov 18, 2021 6:55 pm linkquote
I've wondered when we'd see states competing with one-another for business and citizens based on Covid policies. Evidence of such a situation has been emerging. For example, Texas is courting (electric car-maker) Tesla CEO Elon Musk to move its headquarters to Texas because Musk disagrees with California's Covid mask and vaccination policies. A similar thing is happening with Florida courting In-n-Out Burger. And we're also seeing it at the personnel level with this offer: Tennessee governor invites unvaccinated out-of-state cops to join its highway patrol. BY contrast, I've yet to see a state advertising it's pro-mask and vaccination mandates but it would be a pretty high-priority checkbox on my list of place to move if I was considering moving, which I'm not.

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Thu Nov 18, 2021 9:00 pm

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Thu Nov 18, 2021 9:00 pm linkquote
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And we're also seeing it at the personnel level with this offer: Tennessee governor invites unvaccinated out-of-state cops to join its highway patrol. BY contrast, I've yet to see a state advertising it's pro-mask and vaccination mandates but it would be a pretty high-priority checkbox on my list of place to move if I was considering moving, which I'm not.

Miguel
it's like watching a reality show called How to Exacerbate a Bad Situation.
Nurses in TN make less than half of what they make in States where unions are strong. It's called the Volunteer State because it pays about as well as the Peace Corps. Nurses make about $22-27 an hour. I suspect the same is true of cops. So if States like CA and NY can get rid of their left side of the bell curve LEOs without firing them, everyone's a winner who doesn't live in Tennessee. We're probably five years away from their big recruitment drive to invite everybody who failed High School biology to come and practice medicine. And yes, I am reminded daily that every time a truly dumb person moves here to Arkansas from Tennessee, the average IQ goes up in both States.

About effin time:
https://www.ncsbn.org/PolicyBriefDisseminationofCOVID19Info.pdf
Policy Statement: Dissemination of Non-scientific and Misleading
COVID-19 Information by Nurses
Purpose
To address the misinformation being disseminated about COVID-19 by nurses.
For the purposes of this statement, misinformation is defined as distorted facts, inaccurate or misleading
information not grounded in the peer-reviewed scientific literature and counter to information being
disseminated by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) and the Food and Drug Administration (FDA).
Statement
Nurses are expected to be "prepared to practice from an evidence base; promote safe, quality patient care;
use clinical/critical reasoning to address simple to complex situations; assume accountability for one's own and
delegated nursing care" (AACN, 2021).
SARS-CoV-2 is a potentially deadly virus. Providing misinformation to the public regarding masking, vaccines,
medications and/or COVID-19 threatens public health. Misinformation, which is not grounded in science and is
not supported by the CDC and FDA, can lead to illness, possibly death, and may prolong the pandemic.
It is an
expectation of the U.S. boards of nursing, the profession, and the public that nurses uphold the truth, the principles
of the Code of Ethics for Nurses (ANA, 2015) and highest scientific standards when disseminating information about
COVID-19 or any other health-related condition or situation.
When identifying themselves by their profession, nurses are professionally accountable for the information they
provide to the public. Any nurse who violates their state nurse practice act or threatens the health and safety of
the public through the dissemination of misleading or incorrect information pertaining to COVID-19, vaccines and
associated treatment through verbal or written methods including social media may be disciplined by their board
of nursing.
Nurses are urged to recognize that dissemination of misinformation not only jeopardizes the health and
well-being of the public, but may place their license and career in jeopardy as well.
References
American Association of Colleges of Nursing (AACN). (2021). The Essentials: core competencies for professional
nursing education. Retrieved from https://www.aacnnursing.org/Portals/42/AcademicNursing/pdf/
Essentials-2021.pdf
American Nurses Association. (2015). Code of Ethics for Nurses. Retrieved from https://www.nursingworld.org/
practice-policy/nursing-excellence/ethics/code-of-ethics-for-nurses/
Endorsements
National Council of State Boards of Nursing (NCSBN)
Accreditation Commission for Education in Nursing (ACEN)
American Association of Colleges of Nursing (AACN)
American Nurses Association (ANA)
American Organization for Nursing Leadership (AONL)
Nov. 16, 2021
National League for Nursing (NLN)
NLN Commission for Nursing Education Accreditation (CNEA)
National Student Nurses' Association (NSNA)
Organization for Associate Degree Nursing (OADN)

Didn't get the memo:
https://www.sorryantivaxxer.com/post/jeff-christy-gough-52-49-self-employed-she-was-rn-anti-vaxxers-dead-from-covid
Fri Nov 19, 2021 8:27 pm

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Fri Nov 19, 2021 8:27 pm linkquote
That meat packing plant where I keep earning Vespa support funds has posted a new update to Covid-19 policy. Now if you are not vaccinated and have not provided that document to HR for their files you still get that weekly testing, and refusal doesn't get you back in plant with negative test results in hand but a 10 day suspension without pay. A second refusal will end your employment with our plant and they are letting you know in advance that you will also Not be Eligible for unemployment in this state, Illinois. As a 3x vaccinated person with asthma, chronic anemia I read it out loud to another coworker and he is also glad to see it. He's raising his 3 grandchildren, 1 special needs on his own as his wife of many years passed away, in her sleep, very unexpectedly. He's doing a good job, I now and then see those kids with him at Walmart, the youngest is a girl and she likes my jacket and scooters.
Sat Nov 20, 2021 12:40 am

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Sat Nov 20, 2021 12:40 am linkquote
We have a popular satirist in South Africa who does cartoons under the name Zapiro.
This is one his August contributions...

(We use DD-MM-YY)



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Sat Nov 20, 2021 5:03 pm linkquote
in latest news...



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Sun Nov 21, 2021 9:22 am linkquote
Somehow, I just kinda don't believe that's true.
Sun Nov 21, 2021 10:23 am

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Sun Nov 21, 2021 10:23 am linkquote
Cock and bull story?
Sun Nov 21, 2021 7:08 pm

Veni, Vidi, Posti
2007 LX150 2015 GTS 2013 BV 350
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Sun Nov 21, 2021 7:08 pm linkquote
Not getting a lot of news on this side of the pond, but sounds like some Europeans aren't all that happy with tightened restrictions. As far as we've come, seems like a bad time to be losing it.

I'd thought the U.S. had cornered the market on resisting sanity......
Sun Nov 21, 2021 8:37 pm

Veni, Vidi, Posti
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Sun Nov 21, 2021 8:37 pm linkquote
fleece wrote:
Cock and bull story?
'smells like an "Onion".
Sun Nov 21, 2021 8:52 pm

Molto Verboso
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Sun Nov 21, 2021 8:52 pm linkquote
I think that's stretching things a bit much...
Mon Nov 22, 2021 6:37 am

Veni, Vidi, Posti
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Mon Nov 22, 2021 6:37 am linkquote
Fudmucker wrote:
I think that's stretching things a bit much...
I see what you did there...
Mon Nov 22, 2021 10:21 am

Hooked
Piaggio Bevery 300 ie - 2012
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Mon Nov 22, 2021 10:21 am linkquote
fledermaus wrote:
Not getting a lot of news on this side of the pond, but sounds like some Europeans aren't all that happy with tightened restrictions. As far as we've come, seems like a bad time to be losing it.

I'd thought the U.S. had cornered the market on resisting sanity......
Yes, there have been demonstrations against the tightened restrictions in several European countries.

Here in BE there was one yesterday and much more people showed up than expected.

There are the anti-vaxxers of course, and a bunch of blokes looking for enjoying themselves in making trouble and damaging things as always on these occasions, but that is not explaining why so many were there.

I can understand why many normal citizens are fed up with the restrictions.

Last year there was the vaccination process ongoing and it was explained to be patient and wait until at least 70% of the population was vaccined. Then the virus would die off by itself, disappear, because of lack of hosts. And normal life would return.

Now we are in BE at 90% vaccined and now there is here the 4th wave which resembles a lot the 2nd wave, almost exactly a year ago with then far less people vaccined. Only the elderly.

So I can understand there are people that think all these measures do not help and that we have to get through this corona thing sooner or later and take our losses, and hopefully if vaccined the losses will be reasonable.

I follow the data on new hospitallizations here already for more than a year and it is clear to me that is the parameter that is the basis for the policy. It is all about not overflowing the health system. And with good reason. If overflowed the only thing left is isolate patients and hope for the best. Reminds me of tent camps during the Spanish flue epidemic at the end of WW1. You do not want that as a goverment.

It is clear to me it will get more and more difficult for governments to find support for the measures the longer this thing takes.
Mon Nov 22, 2021 10:30 am

Veni, Vidi, Posti
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Mon Nov 22, 2021 10:30 am linkquote
PeterCC wrote:
It is clear to me it will get more and more difficult for governments to find support for the measures the longer this thing takes.
Agreed. Clearly patience has been stretched thin. Worries me a bit that governments trying to go for the long term greater good losing popular support giving opportunity to those promising relief from anti-COVID measures, however ill-advised.
Mon Nov 22, 2021 10:30 am

Veni, Vidi, Posti
In garage: Yamaha Tricity 155 Urban 2019 - MV Agusta 125 RS 1956
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Mon Nov 22, 2021 10:30 am linkquote
fleece wrote:
Thrice now am I
+1
Mon Nov 22, 2021 11:01 am

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Mon Nov 22, 2021 11:01 am linkquote
fledermaus wrote:
Agreed. Clearly patience has been stretched thin. Worries me a bit that governments trying to go for the long term greater good losing popular support giving opportunity to those promising relief from anti-COVID measures, however ill-advised.
It is.
Problem is that the clear explanation why this new wave is happening despite the expectations that have been communicated a year ago, is largely missing.

No clear story there understandable for all.

Last week much to do here about what patients are in intensive care with Corona. Some sources said 70% were vaccined, others said 90% are not vaccined, and everything in between.
These sources were individual hospitals and most have only like 10 - 15 intensive care beds. But no communication on the data over the whole country has been communicated.

And exactly that is what people want to know: are we on the right track or not?
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