Mon Nov 22, 2021 11:10 am

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Mon Nov 22, 2021 11:10 am linkquote
PeterCC wrote:
are we on the right track or not?
This is the wrong question. Will removing mask mandates and other pandemic restrictions make the pandemic better, or worse?

I think the answer to that is self evident. Everything else is just noise.
Mon Nov 22, 2021 11:20 am

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Mon Nov 22, 2021 11:20 am linkquote
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This is the wrong question. Will removing mask mandates and other pandemic restrictions make the pandemic better, or worse?

I think the answer to that is self evident. Everything else is just noise.
It is indeed.

But what is the perspective? That is what people need.
Mon Nov 22, 2021 12:02 pm

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Mon Nov 22, 2021 12:02 pm linkquote
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But what is the perspective?
From who? The medical and scientific community have been vocal about their perspective. Most governments have been pretty clear too. Whose perspective were you hoping for?
Mon Nov 22, 2021 1:08 pm

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Mon Nov 22, 2021 1:08 pm linkquote
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Problem is that the clear explanation why this new wave is happening despite the expectations that have been communicated a year ago, is largely missing. No clear story there understandable for all.
Seems that anyone who wants to listen has already heard the answer. The Delta variant was not anticipated a year ago. Now, it is here, it is more virulent, and it changes the numbers. That doesn't seem particularly hard to understand.
Mon Nov 22, 2021 1:53 pm

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Mon Nov 22, 2021 1:53 pm linkquote
I remain convinced that there are cultural/genetic/environmental factors confounding the outcomes of The Bug.

When I first heard of the Delta strain it was already here in South Africa
We haven't noticed any real change in the situation in terms of increased deaths,
but I know more and more people who have been infected and have recovered well.
We thought it would run rife through African communities where poverty and high densities predominate.
Even with lax distancing and mask wearing, this has not been the case.

Who knows...?

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Mon Nov 22, 2021 3:11 pm

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Mon Nov 22, 2021 3:11 pm linkquote
If there had been cultural/genetic/environmental factors at work during this pandemic we would have heard something about it from CDC or NIH or other trustworthy sources. We haven't. If there was a drug that did something useful we would have heard. We haven't.

If you are willing to accept the ravings of quacks and charlatans and bent politicians, fine, but keep it to your self.
Mon Nov 22, 2021 3:21 pm

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Mon Nov 22, 2021 3:21 pm linkquote
reminds me of the "why do I have to wear a seatbelt when my car has airbags..." arguments.
Mon Nov 22, 2021 3:33 pm

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Mon Nov 22, 2021 3:33 pm linkquote
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If there was a drug that did something useful we would have heard. We haven't.

Oh yes we have! https://theconversation.com/merck-v-pfizer-heres-how-the-two-new-covid-antiviral-drugs-work-and-will-be-used-171247
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Mon Nov 22, 2021 5:22 pm linkquote
You're quite correct. And now they will be used as excuses not to vaccinate. I'm glad they exist, but they cloud the issue that prevention is better than cure.

Someone suggested that you could only get the pill if you had gotten the vaccine before you got sick.
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Tue Nov 23, 2021 1:52 am linkquote
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We thought it would run rife through African communities where poverty and high densities predominate. Even with lax distancing and mask wearing, this has not been the case.
Sorry, I do not have links to share but over the past few weeks there have been several interesting articles about this phenomenon. Seems to be some correlation with areas of high malaria. Will be interesting to see if there is anything to it. Science, you know.

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Tue Nov 23, 2021 4:47 am

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Tue Nov 23, 2021 4:47 am linkquote
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If there had been cultural/genetic/environmental factors at work during this pandemic we would have heard something about it from CDC or NIH or other trustworthy sources. We haven't...
If you are willing to accept the ravings of quacks and charlatans and bent politicians, fine, but keep it to your self.
With the greatest respect, I am not suggesting anything promoted by quacks and charlatans and bent politicians. I do not seek to influence anyone's decisions regarding their body and their life / death.

For the record, I am double vaxxed, wear masks in public and social distance wherever possible.
I am merely observing some odd anomalies that bear research and discussion.

Just look at the range of deaths / 1M population in these countries...

Oz and NZ are very low due to rigidly closed borders, hard lockdowns and strongly mandated vaccines.
Namibia is the 2nd least densely populated countries on Earth, yet their deaths/1M rate is similar to South Africa with 30x the population and 1.5x the area.
South Africa's vaccination rate is not approaching 50% yet, yet the deaths/1M are 2/3 that of UK and US - mostly Delta virus strain too.

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Tue Nov 23, 2021 5:47 pm

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Tue Nov 23, 2021 5:47 pm linkquote
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I am merely observing some odd anomalies that bear research and discussion.
Like a lot of other medical conditions, there's a lot to unpack over time and great job security for researchers. What we know now is likely a fraction of what we'll sort out over the next decade....
Tue Nov 23, 2021 5:58 pm

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Tue Nov 23, 2021 5:58 pm linkquote
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Just look at the range of deaths / 1M population in these countries...

Oz and NZ are very low due to rigidly closed borders, hard lockdowns and strongly mandated vaccines.
Namibia is the 2nd least densely populated countries on Earth, yet their deaths/1M rate is similar to South Africa with 30x the population and 1.5x the area.
South Africa's vaccination rate is not approaching 50% yet, yet the deaths/1M are 2/3 that of UK and US - mostly Delta virus strain too.
We've seen a slew of conflicting reports out of Africa recently. One usually goes something like this:

Scientists mystified, wary, as Africa avoids COVID disaster

https://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory/scientists-mystified-wary-africa-avoids-covid-disaster-81271647

while the other goes something like this:

Six in seven COVID-19 infections go undetected in Africa

https://www.afro.who.int/news/six-seven-covid-19-infections-go-undetected-africa
Tue Nov 23, 2021 8:47 pm

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Tue Nov 23, 2021 8:47 pm linkquote
Thank you Motovista.
This is what I was hoping to do in a calm, apolitical manner.

Having worked in Public Health management for 12 years, I have confidence in certain African state health statistics and none in others. I chose South Africa and Namibia as two examples because of my confidence levels.I have updated my list to include Botswana.
All South Africa's neighbours have citizens living or working in our country.

From the outset, I admit that low testing rates are likely to warp the number of overall cases, but the number of Covid deaths is not markedly increasing overall death rates. If anything, Covid deaths are likely to be over-reported as it is an easy cause of death to fill in on a death certificate in times when HIV/AIDS still carries a social stigma in African communities, despite government communication programs. Also, the cost of a Covid test is about 6.5 hrs at minimum wage level rates, so individuals are not testing at their own initiative and relying on public clinic or hospital initiated tests, where budget constraints make clinical staff conservative in referring patients for testing.

Malnutrition is problematic in African countries and ZA and NAM are no exceptions, so good diet is an unlikely contributor.
Excercise is a likely positive factor as, due to fewer cars being owned by Africans, they walk about a lot to use public transport, which in itself is a likely negative contributor - hence the stautory mask requirements.
High levels of solar acquired Vitamin D is a likely positive, as the likely response of an ill African is to sit in the sun for warmth.
Ventilation is a highly likely factor. My limited experience of US homes leads me to this supposition. US living and working places are centrally heated and ventilated, with a high percentage of recycled air. South African homes are mostly naturally ventilated, with building codes that enforce cross ventilation. From my experience in TB management, I can strongly suggest that natural ventilation is a major positive contributor by diluting infection risks.
Genetics must be playing a role. Research in UK into the common cold found that resistance to colds was greatly increased when subjects parents were born more than 50 miles apart. The gene pool in Africa is diverse with current sexual habits. Health authorities can be certain who the mothers are, but are less certain about the fathers, due to migrant worker travel and active libido.

Future research results will indeed be very interesting, but I contend that environmental factors such as natural ventilation must not be ignored in that research.
Wed Nov 24, 2021 11:28 am

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Thu Nov 25, 2021 9:21 am

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Thu Nov 25, 2021 9:21 am linkquote
A nasty new Covid kid on the block...?
Scientists in South Arica are in a flap about B.1.1.529
(for the moment - Greek variant name to follow)

Just in time to kill off the December holiday season.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=b4aTIoZDQk4



Thu Nov 25, 2021 10:20 am

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Thu Nov 25, 2021 10:20 am linkquote
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A nasty new Covid kid on the block...?
Scientists in South Arica are in a flap about B.1.1.529
(for the moment - Greek variant name to follow)

Just in time to kill off the December holiday season.

Hopefully the existing vaccines are effective against it. Hopefully!
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Thu Nov 25, 2021 10:59 am

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Thu Nov 25, 2021 10:59 am linkquote
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Hopefully the existing vaccines are effective against it. Hopefully!
As you said... hopefully.

Perhaps I should try some indigenous cannabis tea just in case.
(Home grown herbal remedy is legal here!)
Thu Nov 25, 2021 11:36 am

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Thu Nov 25, 2021 11:36 am linkquote
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Perhaps I should try some indigenous cannabis tea just in case.
(Home grown herbal remedy is legal here!)
Unlikely to help with Covid, on the other hand you might feel better.
Thu Nov 25, 2021 12:09 pm

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Thu Nov 25, 2021 12:09 pm linkquote
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Unlikely to help with Covid, on the other hand you might feel better.
anything that makes people just want to sit at home could be considered a mitigation.
Thu Nov 25, 2021 2:27 pm

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Thu Nov 25, 2021 2:27 pm linkquote
Fudmucker wrote:
A nasty new Covid kid on the block...?
Scientists in South Arica are in a flap about B.1.1.529
(for the moment - Greek variant name to follow)

Just in time to kill off the December holiday season.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=b4aTIoZDQk4
It is already in the news here.
The UK as the first is cancelling all flights from South-Africa, Namibia, Lesotho, Botswana, Swaziland and Zimbabwe from tomorrow onwards.
Thu Nov 25, 2021 3:01 pm

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Thu Nov 25, 2021 3:01 pm linkquote
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anything that makes people just want to sit at home could be considered a mitigation.
Sure, but then you'll want to go out for a kebab.
Thu Nov 25, 2021 4:45 pm

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Thu Nov 25, 2021 4:45 pm linkquote
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Sure, but then you'll want to go out for a kebab.
Civilized society has kebab delivery.
Thu Nov 25, 2021 4:53 pm

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Thu Nov 25, 2021 4:53 pm linkquote
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Civilized society has kebab delivery.
Yebbut you don't then go via the pub - an essential part of "Just going out for a kebab". Oh, and civilised societies have pubs.

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Thu Nov 25, 2021 4:57 pm linkquote
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It is already in the news here.
The UK as the first is cancelling all flights from South-Africa, Namibia, Lesotho, Botswana, Swaziland and Zimbabwe from tomorrow onwards.
It's almost like the virus read the "No covid in Africa" news articles…
Here, hold my little iddy biddy virus sized beer.
Thu Nov 25, 2021 8:34 pm

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Thu Nov 25, 2021 8:34 pm linkquote
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anything that makes people just want to sit at home could be considered a mitigation.
So sloth is now a virtue, not a vice?

Based on the day it was publicised, is the Thanksgiving variant an appropriate name for this one?
Thu Nov 25, 2021 8:59 pm

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Thu Nov 25, 2021 8:59 pm linkquote
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As you said... hopefully.

Perhaps I should try some indigenous cannabis tea just in case.
(Home grown herbal remedy is legal here!)
new-covid-19-variant-in-south-africa-raises-concern

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Fri Nov 26, 2021 12:36 pm

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Fri Nov 26, 2021 12:36 pm linkquote
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A nasty new Covid kid on the block...?
Scientists in South Arica are in a flap about B.1.1.529
(for the moment - Greek variant name to follow)
WHO is calling it the omicron variant. omicron is a lower case "o" in the greek alphabet.

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Fri Nov 26, 2021 12:47 pm linkquote
Will it ever end?
Fri Nov 26, 2021 12:51 pm

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Fri Nov 26, 2021 12:51 pm linkquote
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Will it ever end?
I am beginning to wonder.
Fri Nov 26, 2021 1:39 pm

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Fri Nov 26, 2021 1:39 pm linkquote
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Will it ever end?
Indeed. A good chance that the next chapter has begun: the omikron chapter.

This new omikron-variant has landed in Europe, and more specifically here in my own country BE.

At least 1 case has been confirmed. A person, a women is said, that came back home from Egypt by plane via Turkey.

She had the first symptoms 11 days after the return. The results of the PCR test were unusual and now it has been confirmed she is infected with this new omikron-variant.

It is from what I read not clear how and when she was infected.
Was it in Egypt, or on the flight home or here in BE? So far apparently no link found to the South-African region.

The 11 days after returning home before the symptoms could point to a long incubation time or to a, maybe more likely, local contamination. Both not good.

A long incubation time means a person infected can spread the virus for a long time without experiencing any problem, and if locally contaminated that would mean the omikron-variant is already among us and was so far not spotted.
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Fri Nov 26, 2021 2:35 pm linkquote
So far (as of end of September) the vaccines still work:

https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#rates-by-vaccine-status

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So far (as of end of September) the vaccines still work:

https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#rates-by-vaccine-status

Chris from CLE
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Fri Nov 26, 2021 5:55 pm linkquote
AGI - Omicron is the name of the new variant that scares the world. The WHO defined it as worrying, but even before the highest UN body in health matters spoke, the markets had 'spoken': first the Asian stock exchanges, then Europe, finally Wall Street went down because there is a fear of a new blow to the world economy: for the three main indices it was the worst Black Friday in over 70 years. Only pharmaceutical stocks are doing well, for the rest, investors have abandoned the riskiest assets.

Meanwhile, governments are taking counter measures: there are countless countries - among others the 27 EU, the USA, Canada, Great Britain, Israel - which have imposed travel restrictions on South Africa and neighboring countries, Botswana, Lesotho, Namibia, Malawi, Zimbabwe, Zambia and Eswatini.

Omicron, which has been detected "in almost all South African provinces", appears to present an increased risk of reinfection and appears to have an even greater transmission capacity than previous strains.

Scientists consider it the "most worrying" variant seen so far because it contains "a large number of mutations" that could not only make it more transmissible but also help evade the immune system: it has 32 mutations in the spike protein (the part of the coronavirus that gives it its characteristic shape and the key for the virus to enter human cells), much more than Beta and Delta combined.

It is not clear for now whether it is more or less resistant to anticovid vaccines (although Pfizer / BioNTech has made it known that in three months it could have the doses ready for the variant) but the PCR diagnostic tests seem to continue to be valid.
The WHO experts, gathered in an emergency meeting in the so-called Advisory Group on the Evolution of Viruses, however noted that the appearance of this variant, confirmed for the first time in a specimen collected on November 9, coincided with a very strong increase of infections in South Africa (in some areas, cases of positivity have increased in the last 3 weeks from less than 1% to more than 30%).

Most of the cases detected so far are currently in South Africa although the variant has also been detected in Botswana.

The Omicron variant, however, is already in Europe, in Belgium to be precise. The infected is a young woman who developed symptoms eleven days after traveling to Egypt via Turkey: she was neither vaccinated nor had she previously contracted the virus.

It is interesting to note, however, that - excluding Switzerland - the countries have so far applied restrictions only to the nations of southern Africa but not to Hong Kong, Israel and Belgium where cases of Omicron have been found.

It will take 100 days to update the Pfizer vaccine against the new variant. The company announced it.

The US pharmaceutical company Moderna also wants to develop a specific booster dose for the so-called Omicron variant of Covid-19.

The new alarm that breaks out on the emergency of the global pandemic is the South African variant of Covid, considered more contagious and with 32 mutations of the Spike protein that risk increasing its transmissibility and the ability to evade antibodies.

Ursula von der Leyen explains that "The contracts concluded by the that "The contracts entered into by the European Commission with vaccine manufacturers provide that vaccines are immediately adapted to deal with new variants of the virus. Europe has taken its precautions".

"It is crucial - he adds - to act in a very rapid, effective and united manner. The commission has proposed activating the emergency brake on flights from southern Africa and all affected countries" by the new variant. All flights should be suspended pending more information on the variant and all travelers from these countries should be quarantined. "

South Africa has a vaccination rate of just 24% of the total population and it is speculated that the many mutations have accumulated in an immunosuppressed person who has struggled with the coronavirus for weeks or months.

The South African National Institute of Communicable Diseases reported that the presence of the variant has been documented with sequencing in 22 positive cases, mostly young, but many more have already been reported from various laboratories in the country.

In total, at least sixty cases have been ascertained worldwide, including four in Botswana and one in Hong Kong in a traveler returning from South Africa.

On Thursday evening, Israel immediately canceled flights to and from South Africa and Great Britain did the same by extending the restriction to Namibia, Lesotho, Eswatini, Zimbabwe and Botswana. According to the British Health Security Agency, the UK Health Security Agency is "the most dangerous to emerge so far".

British Health Minister Sajid Javid explained that "vaccines may be less effective" against the 'South African'. Thomas Peacock, a virologist at Imperial College London, said he observed "a truly horrific mutation profile." In the next few hours, the travel stop will extend like wildfire.

Experts note that the 32 mutations on the spike protein (the crown tip of the coronavirus, the protein it uses to hook our cells and enter them) are a very high number, achieved in a very short time. Suffice it to say that it is about double that of the Delta variant and triple that of the Alfa.

The fear is that the antibodies of the recovered and vaccinated will struggle to recognize the new strain, and therefore protect us less.

https://www.agi.it/estero/news/2021-11-26/ue-propone-stop-voli-africa-meridionale-causa-variante-14686519/
Sat Nov 27, 2021 6:44 am

Molto Verboso
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Joined: 12 Dec 2017
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Location: Pretoria, South Africa
 
Molto Verboso
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Posts: 1553
Location: Pretoria, South Africa
Sat Nov 27, 2021 6:44 am linkquote
South Africa has rapidly become the latest leper country as a result of us telling the world what we found. Now we are the least desirable travellers. Our currency has taken a dive and overseas tourists here are fleeing as soon as they can get a flight booking home. Now it appears we will have internal travel bans - just as our annual December holiday season is on the horizon...

Travellers who departed from South Africa on Thursday and have had stopovers in Dubai etc, are finding themselves stranded on arrivan in Europe in aircraft because their destination country changed the rules for their arrival.

I foresee massive job losses in the hospitality industry here...
Sat Nov 27, 2021 7:10 am

Veni, Vidi, Posti
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Location: Santa Cruz California
 
Veni, Vidi, Posti
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Joined: 24 Jun 2009
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Sat Nov 27, 2021 7:10 am linkquote
Fudmucker wrote:
South Africa has rapidly become the latest leper country as a result of us telling the world what we found. Now we are the least desirable travellers. Our currency has taken a dive and overseas tourists here are fleeing as soon as they can get a flight booking home. Now it appears we will have internal travel bans - just as our annual December holiday season is on the horizon...

Travellers who departed from South Africa on Thursday and have had stopovers in Dubai etc, are finding themselves stranded on arrivan in Europe in aircraft because their destination country changed the rules for their arrival.

I foresee massive job losses in the hospitality industry here...
So sorry to hear this Fudmucker. It's know that cases have already shown up in several other countries. It may not have even started in SA but was imported there from some other country that wasn't even aware of it. In the words of the Baylor University Director of Infectious Diseases, " We need to vaccinate nearly everyone in the world to get this under control. Otherwise, it will continue to evolve because it only evolves in people's bodies".

Miguel
Sat Nov 27, 2021 8:13 am

Veni, Vidi, Posti
2007 LX150 2015 GTS 2013 BV 350
Joined: 13 Sep 2012
Posts: 10337
Location: Fond du Lac, Wisconsin
 
Veni, Vidi, Posti
2007 LX150 2015 GTS 2013 BV 350
Joined: 13 Sep 2012
Posts: 10337
Location: Fond du Lac, Wisconsin
Sat Nov 27, 2021 8:13 am linkquote
Read a comment this morning thanking SA for its obsessive testing and sounding the alarm.. Facing repercussions shouldn't be part of the deal..... Kind of like whistleblowers who get attacked for truth telling.

Lests hope this isn't a game changer...this has weighed heavily on the world.....
Sat Nov 27, 2021 10:19 am

Veni, Vidi, Posti
GTS 300ABS, Buddy 125, Buddy Kick 125
Joined: 29 Dec 2007
Posts: 12217
Location: Oregon City, OR
 
Veni, Vidi, Posti
GTS 300ABS, Buddy 125, Buddy Kick 125
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Location: Oregon City, OR
Sat Nov 27, 2021 10:19 am linkquote
fledermaus wrote:
Read a comment this morning thanking SA for its obsessive testing and sounding the alarm.. Facing repercussions shouldn't be part of the deal..... Kind of like whistleblowers who get attacked for truth telling.
Seems like it is not this simple. You can't hardly blame individual countries acting to try to prevent the spread of new Covid variants among their citizens. There is, however, one thing I do not understand about South Africa. It has been implicated in the spread of the Delta variant, and now the Omicron variant. Why South Africa? As Fudmucker has helped us understand, they have a structured and responsible public health system. They may not be a wealthy nation, but they are certainly not impoverished or disfunctional. Why is their vaccination rate so low? Haven't we moved beyond the point where access to vaccine is the primary issue for a country such as this? or not? Is the problem distribution within the country, or is there substantial vaccine resistence? Or is the primary problem something else?

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Sat Nov 27, 2021 11:00 am

Moderaptor
The Hornet (GT200, aka Love Bug) and 'Dimples' - a GTS 300
Joined: 26 Aug 2007
Posts: 40425
Location: Pleasant Hill, CA
 
Moderaptor
The Hornet (GT200, aka Love Bug) and 'Dimples' - a GTS 300
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Sat Nov 27, 2021 11:00 am linkquote
Apparently SA is asking for vaccine shipments to be delayed, as their current stock is in danger of running past its use-by date.

I gather it's huge vaccine resistance that's the major problem.


Elsewhere, I'm staggered the US still hasn't got around to dishing out rapid tests to all and sundry. Yet again the FDA dragging its feet unnecessarily. I brought back a pack of seven tests from the UK, so we can test ourselves if we think we might have been compromised.
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