Mon May 10, 2021 11:30 am

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Mon May 10, 2021 11:30 am linkquote
https://www.tgcom24.mediaset.it/cronaca/toscana/vaccini-a-massa-carrara-23enne-riceve-6-dosi-per-errore_32080359-202102k.shtml

Vaccini, 23-year-old in Massa Carrara receives 6 doses by mistake: "I have pain, the doctors don't know what could happen"
The hypothesis is that inattention occurred at the time of inoculation. The young woman made statements to Corriere.it: "I forgive the nurse but certain things cannot happen in the hospital"

Six doses of vaccine in one solution. It would have been due to human error in the preparation of the syringe to administer an entire vial of Pfizer to a 23-year-old girl. The young woman was admitted for observation in the Noa hospital in Massa Carrara: "I am afraid and my arm hurts, the doctors do not know what consequences I could have. I will not make criminal complaints but I could sue the hospital".

After the administration of the vaccine, which took place on Sunday, the 23-year-old, who being a trainee in psychology is one of the people in the health sector to be vaccinated, returned home. Only later did the administrators realize that the young woman had been injected with an entire vial, that is, the equivalent of six doses of the vaccine. Emergency call on the phone, the doctors have decided for hospitalization. The young woman, reports the ASL after the story was told by the newspaper La Nazione, she was monitored all night, she had no symptoms or manifested allergies. An audit is underway to try to shed some light on the matter. The case was then reported to AIFA.



"I'm afraid and everything hurts, but I forgive the nurse" - A few hours after the incredible mistake she suffered, the 23-year-old from Massa, a graduate in Clinical Psychology and currently a master's student at the University of Pisa, has released statements to Corriere.it: "I also spoke with my mother and she also agrees with me, I will not make any criminal charges. These are things that can happen, everyone is wrong, there is no malice. read in the eyes of the nurse who gave me the injection (and which she did not see, afraid of needles, ed) ". What is certain is that, now, she is a little scared: "I'm quite well but I have pain and the doctors can't tell me what could happen - said the 23-year-old -. I'm very tired. And very stressed. I have severe pain at the injection site. , my whole arm hurts. I will not make any criminal charges but it is obvious that if I have serious consequences in the future someone will have to answer in civil court. My tolerance is valid only for the nurse or whoever made a mistake for her, not for the structure who in any case can never afford certain misadventures ".
Mon May 10, 2021 12:54 pm

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Mon May 10, 2021 12:54 pm linkquote
This is in Texas which just got two seats in Congress as a result of the census. Keep this attitude up when it comes to the vaccine and they may just lose them next time around...
Mon May 10, 2021 3:14 pm

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Mon May 10, 2021 3:14 pm linkquote
Harbinger wrote:
This is in Texas which just got two seats in Congress as a result of the census. Keep this attitude up when it comes to the vaccine and they may just lose them next time around...
One can only hope that Darwin was right and this ends up being a self correcting matter!
Tue May 11, 2021 3:26 am

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Tue May 11, 2021 3:26 am linkquote
kshansen wrote:
One can only hope that Darwin was right and this ends up being a self correcting matter!
I'm thinking whoever dinged me with a thumbs down does not realize congressional seats are based on proportional representation.... So I was not making a political statement but rather pointing out that if they have a negative attitude towards vaccination more people will die.

This is from a newspaper in Texas so I"m not making this stuff up...

https://www.texastribune.org/2021/04/09/texas-covid-vaccine-rankings/

As of 22 hours ago Texas ranks 41st

https://www.beckershospitalreview.com/public-health/states-ranked-by-percentage-of-covid-19-vaccines-administered.html

It really hurts me that people that can get vaccinated are saying no while we can't beg, borrow or steal to get enough vials up here.
Tue May 11, 2021 12:26 pm

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Tue May 11, 2021 12:26 pm linkquote
Green Pass: what it is and how it works

The Green Pass or Green Certificate is a health passport linked to SARS-CoV-2, a digital and / or paper document with which it is possible to travel freely, both within national borders and in other countries. This is not an absolute novelty, in fact in the world there are several states that have been using this system for some time, for example to allow entry only to people vaccinated against yellow fever. This tool, in fact, helps in the containment of pandemics, to limit the spread of some dangerous viruses.

The European Green Pass contains a series of health information, so that each person is able to experience the following conditions:

have been vaccinated against Covid-19;
having obtained a negative result after the test;
be completely healed after being infected with SARS-CoV-2.

Each of these three options is considered suitable for traveling with the green certificate without limitations in all EU countries, so you just need to show the Green Pass in case of security checks to travel even for tourism reasons. The Green Pass is a free document, so you don't have to pay anything for its issue, it can be in digital and / or paper format and is a safe and secure certificate to guarantee the privacy of European citizens. In addition, it must be available both in its national language and in English, also equipped with a QR code for quick scanning of information through special readers or the smartphone camera.

The Covid Green Pass is mainly used to support tourism, a sector that is experiencing a very severe crisis due to the travel restrictions introduced with the Coronavirus pandemic since March 2020. In this way, people who have already had the virus are allowed to travel. and they are cured, to those who prove they are not positive with a negative swab, or to a rapidly growing number of vaccinated people. On the other hand, the tourism sector is fundamental for the economy of many countries, considering the total turnover generated by all the related industries, so it is essential to relaunch this sector as soon as possible.
The Green Pass in Italy: characteristics and when it arrives

Pending the European digital green certificate, arriving by June according to the indications of the European Commission, each country is starting to offer the national version of the vaccination passport, more or less aligned with the EU reference model depending on the case. The Green Pass in Italy will be inspired by the EU one, however it will be proposed first in paper format to speed up the process, and then align with the European digital pass as soon as the new EU platform is ready, the tests of which should begin on May 10.

The national green pass was envisaged with the reopening decree, pending official indications from the Ministry of Health. The document will have a duration of 6 months for those who have recovered from Covid-19 or have been vaccinated, ending the entire cycle foreseen for the specific type of vaccine, while for those who have carried out the rapid or molecular test the validity is 48 hours. from the test date. With the Italian Green Pass it is possible to travel throughout the country, even in the orange and red areas, or travel abroad in countries that recognize the national pass.

At the moment the state of emergency is in force until July 31, 2021, with the possibility of moving within the yellow and orange zones for work, health reasons, or to find relatives and friends up to a maximum of 4 people. , while in the red areas it is not possible to go to private homes. With the green pass, on the other hand, free movement is allowed, in addition to the conventional reasons for traveling in the red and orange areas. However, the rules for health safety must be followed, including wearing a mask and respecting physical distancing, even by people in possession of the green certificate.

The quarantine obligation for those returning to Italy is currently in force, with the extension until May 15 provided for by the latest ordinance signed by the Minister of Health Roberto Speranza. This measure will not be renewed, so from mid-May the quarantine will no longer be necessary for Italians and foreign tourists entering our country, as long as they have a recognized Green Pass. At the moment, vaccination certificates made on the European model should be accepted, including those of the United States and Israel, considered safe countries in the face of the advanced state of the vaccination campaign.

Source: https://quifinanza.it/info-utili/green-pass-cose-come-funziona-come-richiederlo/488447/
Thu May 13, 2021 9:09 am

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Thu May 13, 2021 9:09 am linkquote
Good news, infections and deaths are decreasing in Italy.
Vaccination works!
Thu May 13, 2021 9:14 am

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Thu May 13, 2021 9:14 am linkquote
Our countyís infection numbers are up and the local hospital is once again tabling elective surgeries. This bit in the local paper caught my eye.



Thu May 13, 2021 2:36 pm

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Thu May 13, 2021 2:36 pm linkquote
This from the CDC today. Miguel

Link to this page on CDC: Choosing safer activities



Thu May 13, 2021 4:45 pm

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Thu May 13, 2021 4:45 pm linkquote
Miguel wrote:
This from the CDC today. Miguel

Link to this page on CDC: Choosing safer activities
I think in some ways the new CDC guidance today is great but not so much in other ways. It's not like your local Walmart or movie theatre etc are all going to be asking for proof of vaccination before you go maskless in to their establishments. So folks that are anti mask but wear them because they have to will just stop wearing them potentially causing more infections. I just don't see mask wearing as that big of a deal indoors for a little while at least.
Thu May 13, 2021 5:08 pm

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Thu May 13, 2021 5:08 pm linkquote
Harbinger wrote:
I think in some ways the new CDC guidance today is great but not so much in other ways. It's not like your local Walmart or movie theatre etc are all going to be asking for proof of vaccination before you go maskless in to their establishments. So folks that are anti mask but wear them because they have to will just stop wearing them potentially causing more infections. I just don't see mask wearing as that big of a deal indoors for a little while at least.
I find myself torn, if I'm being honest. Having had the vaccine, and being comfortable with showing proof of it, I hold a certain disdain for those who haven't (due to decision) and complain about all the silly rules about masks and such. Turns out I'm ~98% safe against other peoples' folly, but they aren't.

And yet, I wear a mask. And will continue to do so.
Thu May 13, 2021 5:45 pm

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Thu May 13, 2021 5:45 pm linkquote
Madison Sully wrote:
And yet, I wear a mask. And will continue to do so.
Every time you put it on, it makes it easier for someone who is on the fence about it to put theirs on too.

I enquired yesterday about vaccination rates at work after one of my team brought it up (we get stats on flu shots so I thought we would for Covid too). We have no idea who is and isn't vaccinated, no information is shared with respect to that. It's purely a personal choice (at this stage anyway).
Thu May 13, 2021 5:53 pm

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Thu May 13, 2021 5:53 pm linkquote
Hmmm. i'm with Madison. I've tended to roll my eyes at the people cruising through stores maskless against the rules, well before vaccination. Now I have the opportunity to be one of them...but I think setting an example and not encouraging others to be maskless is still desirable.

I'm probably at the point of my business policy changing too. For some time, with my patients who have compromised breathing on my treatment table, I've allowed them to remove their masks, particularly when we've both been vaccinated. Perhaps I'll consider starting to loosen that up a bit to allow anyone who's been vaccinated the option....but still require them in the more public areas. It has the potential to be messy, otherwise.
Fri May 14, 2021 1:02 am

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Fri May 14, 2021 1:02 am linkquote
The consideration I have to make is that this tragedy should unite us rather than divide us, it should unite the world instead of dividing it but I watch TV and I still see wars and disputes that could be resolved ... and pollution of the planet and other dirty things.
Perhaps we deserve the continuous attempts at mass self-destruction, because of one thing I remain convinced: the virus was created by human beings against other human beings and it will not be the last time.
Fri May 14, 2021 1:39 am

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Fri May 14, 2021 1:39 am linkquote
Madison Sully wrote:
... I hold a certain disdain for those who haven't ...
Turns out that the new guidance only pertains to those of us who are fully vaccinated. The anti-vaxxers have been maskless for months.

Chris from CLE
Fri May 14, 2021 5:01 am

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Fri May 14, 2021 5:01 am linkquote
ChrisFromCLE wrote:
Turns out that the new guidance only pertains to those of us who are fully vaccinated. The anti-vaxxers have been maskless for months.

Chris from CLE
Here too, but many no-vaxes ended up in hospital and this time with another type of mask ... the one for oxygen and more than someone left their skin.
Fri May 14, 2021 9:27 am

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Fri May 14, 2021 9:27 am linkquote
Vaccini, Astrazeneca Open Day over 40: sold out in Latina

Latina - Councilor D'Amato: Great success in Rome, Frosinone, Latina and Viterbo, sold out in a few hours!
Councilor D'Amato: "The virtual ticket mode worked and there are few slots left at the Valmontone and Rieti outlet. The experience must be repeated with a necessarily greater number of doses that we will request from the commissioner".
Fri May 14, 2021 8:18 pm

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Fri May 14, 2021 8:18 pm linkquote
Next Saturday I am hauling my son and my best galpal Kim to be shot at our Union Hall cuz my employer is hosting a Vaccinate your Family and Friends for us! Yes, I am very pleased, no, I do not need a trip to India and o see just how deadly this darn pesky virus can get, yes I do live in redneck-vile where many will Not get vaccinated. Yes I will be wearing masks for a long time to come. Too old and too many scooters to want laid up or unable to ride or my son suddenly inherited 3 scootersÖ
Sun May 16, 2021 2:06 am

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Sun May 16, 2021 2:06 am linkquote
maggiegirl wrote:
Next Saturday I am hauling my son and my best galpal Kim to be shot at our Union Hall...
Congrats to you all !!

Chris from CLE
Sun May 16, 2021 2:28 am

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Sun May 16, 2021 2:28 am linkquote
In today's newspaper we had an article that dived a bit deeper into the lives, and death, or 6 random people who have died because of covid in Finland. Just random people, aged between 40 something to 80 something.

I think this was a great thing to publish. There was no additional drama, no yellow journalism - just stories of ordinary people who lived their lives, had their plans - end then suddenly got the virus and passed away.

Makes it more personal when it is not only about statistics and %.
Sun May 16, 2021 8:54 am

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Sun May 16, 2021 8:54 am linkquote
My husband and I have been fully vaccinated since the first week of February. Our eldest, 17, got his the first few days it was available. Our middle child (13) got his first shot on Thursday. Now we're just waiting for it to be approved for our youngest who is 10.

Three of the aforementioned family members have compromised immune function. To lose one of them or have any of them suffer an illness that might be prevented would be unbearable for me. I have friends who refuse to consider it and others, like ourselves, who jumped at the chance to be protected. I hope the holdouts or their families don't suffer for it.
Sun May 16, 2021 9:01 am

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Sun May 16, 2021 9:01 am linkquote
Guzzi Gal wrote:
I have friends who refuse to consider it and others, like ourselves, who jumped at the chance to be protected. I hope the holdouts or their families don't suffer for it.
I have resigned myself to the fact that more people will probably die. This brings me no joy or satisfaction -- I do not wish ill upon those people, even if it was their own stubbornness or ignorance or delusion that brought them low. But I have given up hope that they will see the light, and resigned myself to more death.
Sun May 16, 2021 9:19 am

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Sun May 16, 2021 9:19 am linkquote
jess wrote:
I have resigned myself to the fact that more people will probably die. This brings me no joy or satisfaction -- I do not wish ill upon those people, even if it was their own stubbornness or ignorance or delusion that brought them low. But I have given up hope that they will see the light, and resigned myself to more death.
Truth.
Sun May 16, 2021 9:55 am

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Sun May 16, 2021 9:55 am linkquote
jess wrote:
I have resigned myself to the fact that more people will probably die. This brings me no joy or satisfaction -- I do not wish ill upon those people, even if it was their own stubbornness or ignorance or delusion that brought them low. But I have given up hope that they will see the light, and resigned myself to more death.
Yes ... I agree that a different choice is not a punishment, especially when there are deadly outcomes but still I despise more the ignorance that leads to that decision.
The problem is that those people give a bad example to the undecided and therefore multiply the negative effects because even to convince themselves they propagate false security about not getting vaccinated.
Sun May 16, 2021 9:59 am

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Sun May 16, 2021 9:59 am linkquote
jess wrote:
I have resigned myself to the fact that more people will probably die. This brings me no joy or satisfaction -- I do not wish ill upon those people, even if it was their own stubbornness or ignorance or delusion that brought them low. But I have given up hope that they will see the light, and resigned myself to more death.
Absolutely that is going to happen and is a sad thing. At the risk of sounding callous here it also a very selfish thing to do. Not only are you risking your own life by not getting vaccinated you are affecting those that love and care about you should you wind up in hospital and/or the worst outcome happens. You can also add to that the cost of vaccination vs the cost of keeping someone in the ICU ward on a ventilator. That we all pay for and it puts even more strain on an already taxed healthcare system where the workers just have to be burnt out and many emotionally scarred.

I recently spoke to someone (Italian FWIW and very involved in the Vespa community) that has seen how this plays out. His extended family in the US were anti-vax and ignored the rules. They went to a gathering with no masks and all of them got covid with one winding up on a ventilator and even if they make it they will never be the same. Now they believe this is "real" and are pro vaccine. Someone needs to take "The Needle and the Damage Done" and rework it to make it about "Say No to the Needle and the Damage Done"
Sun May 16, 2021 12:18 pm

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Sun May 16, 2021 12:18 pm linkquote
Harbinger wrote:
Absolutely that is going to happen and is a sad thing. At the risk of sounding callous here it also a very selfish thing to do. Not only are you risking your own life by not getting vaccinated you are affecting those that love and care about you should you wind up in hospital and/or the worst outcome happens.
A friend in the medical field and I tried this argument with a riding buddy who steadfastly refuses vaccination because of a series of half-baked conspiracy theories. They care for an unvaccinated elderly parent, who has a myriad of chronic health issues.

I only see tragedy ahead and it breaks my heart as it could possibly be prevented.
Sun May 16, 2021 12:46 pm

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Sun May 16, 2021 12:46 pm linkquote
We have friends, yet unvaccinated, that I'm sure are more afraid of the vaccine than contracting COVID. It's impressive, but fear is an irrational thing.
Sun May 16, 2021 1:46 pm

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Sun May 16, 2021 1:46 pm linkquote
This disease is passed from person to person with no intermediary. No mosquito, no fly, no rat, no flea is involved. When transmission happens there are always two people who screwed up. Didnít wear a mask, and/or didnít get vacillated. So if you didnít get the vaccine and wonít mask and Grandpa who didnít mask or get vaccinated dies of the bug, part of the blame is on you.

How many more of your family or friends or coworkers or random folks on the street are you willing to help on their way to misery, sickness, or death?

Come on guys, man up and do the right thing. If it makes you feel better wear a red mask.
Sun May 16, 2021 1:53 pm

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Sun May 16, 2021 1:53 pm linkquote
US question :
How are insurance companies going to deal with people who chose not to get vaccinated, got the pox, and are suffering long term illness requiring expensive care?
Sun May 16, 2021 2:11 pm

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Sun May 16, 2021 2:11 pm linkquote
znomit wrote:
US question :
How are insurance companies going to deal with people who chose not to get vaccinated, got the pox, and are suffering long term illness requiring expensive care?
The aforementioned person in my post isn't covered by insurance but the elderly parent has Medicare. The cost falls to us, the taxpayer, to pay for the uninsured's care.
Sun May 16, 2021 9:03 pm

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Location: Latina (Italy)
Sun May 16, 2021 9:03 pm linkquote
Here health is free, even for those who are not Italian and we pride ourselves on it. You can also choose to pay for specialist treatment but VAT is deducted from the taxes. This is what I do for the first visit to have an operation on my hip but then I go to hospital where everything is at the expense of the National Health Service and equally after when I go to a rehabilitation center chosen by me.
We will have the highest public debt in the world but I'll be damned if I let someone pay for their misfortune.
Tue May 18, 2021 8:51 am

Addicted
2009 GTS250, Ducati Monster M900
Joined: 22 Jul 2012
Posts: 848
Location: Oceanside, CA
 
Addicted
2009 GTS250, Ducati Monster M900
Joined: 22 Jul 2012
Posts: 848
Location: Oceanside, CA
Tue May 18, 2021 8:51 am linkquote
I got my second shot yesterday, and the missus tomorrow. We have a 2.5yo who has gotten pretty good at wearing his mask. For a two year old.

We will most likely continue to wear our masks in solidarity with him until guidance suggests he's in the clear to show his little mug.

We do NOT stand in solidarity with his temper tantrums and 100% lack of interest moving away from using a diaper.
Tue May 18, 2021 9:06 am

Molto Verboso
GTS 300ie Touring, AKA Gigi
Joined: 26 Mar 2018
Posts: 1354
Location: Phoenix, AZ.
 
Molto Verboso
GTS 300ie Touring, AKA Gigi
Joined: 26 Mar 2018
Posts: 1354
Location: Phoenix, AZ.
Tue May 18, 2021 9:06 am linkquote
Shebalba wrote:
We do NOT stand in solidarity with his temper tantrums and 100% lack of interest moving away from using a diaper.
HA! I remember those days. Ultimately, we chose to wait until around three to get ours out of diapers. It was much easier on everyone.
Tue May 18, 2021 9:22 am

Ossessionato
GTS300 Super (Heinz) GTS250 Super (Bulger)
Joined: 16 Jan 2010
Posts: 3854
Location: Tempe, AZ
 
Ossessionato
GTS300 Super (Heinz) GTS250 Super (Bulger)
Joined: 16 Jan 2010
Posts: 3854
Location: Tempe, AZ
Tue May 18, 2021 9:22 am linkquote
I have a friend who contracted the virus, he has been in and out of the hospital for months. Induced coma to eventual rehab, then back in. I got the vaccine in part because of him. He may never get out, I don't want to get in.
Tue May 18, 2021 9:49 am

Hooked
2006 250ie
Joined: 13 Jun 2012
Posts: 352
Location: Bellingham, WA
 
Hooked
2006 250ie
Joined: 13 Jun 2012
Posts: 352
Location: Bellingham, WA
Tue May 18, 2021 9:49 am linkquote
B
Shebalba wrote:
I got my second shot yesterday, and the missus tomorrow. We have a 2.5yo who has gotten pretty good at wearing his mask. For a two year old.
Something like this?



Tue May 18, 2021 10:53 am

Veni, Vidi, Posti
In garage: Yamaha Tricity 155 Urban 2019 - MV Agusta 125 RS 1956
Joined: 21 Jul 2007
Posts: 6223
Location: Latina (Italy)
 
Veni, Vidi, Posti
In garage: Yamaha Tricity 155 Urban 2019 - MV Agusta 125 RS 1956
Joined: 21 Jul 2007
Posts: 6223
Location: Latina (Italy)
Tue May 18, 2021 10:53 am linkquote
Tue May 18, 2021 10:57 am

Molto Verboso
GTS 300ie Touring, AKA Gigi
Joined: 26 Mar 2018
Posts: 1354
Location: Phoenix, AZ.
 
Molto Verboso
GTS 300ie Touring, AKA Gigi
Joined: 26 Mar 2018
Posts: 1354
Location: Phoenix, AZ.
Tue May 18, 2021 10:57 am linkquote
Attila wrote:

That just looks fun!
Tue May 18, 2021 12:31 pm

Petty Tyrant
GTS250 GTS300 MP3 500
Joined: 11 Oct 2005
Posts: 31030
Location: Bay Area, California
 
Petty Tyrant
GTS250 GTS300 MP3 500
Joined: 11 Oct 2005
Posts: 31030
Location: Bay Area, California
Tue May 18, 2021 12:31 pm linkquote
Guzzi Gal wrote:
That just looks fun!
That looks like a device to turn humans into lobsters.
Tue May 18, 2021 12:37 pm

Molto Verboso
GTS 300ie Touring, AKA Gigi
Joined: 26 Mar 2018
Posts: 1354
Location: Phoenix, AZ.
 
Molto Verboso
GTS 300ie Touring, AKA Gigi
Joined: 26 Mar 2018
Posts: 1354
Location: Phoenix, AZ.
Tue May 18, 2021 12:37 pm linkquote
I can imagine it being in the redwoods, somewhere secluded, light filtering through the branches high above, oxalis sprinkled around its edges, and maybe a banana slug slithering by.
Tue May 18, 2021 2:53 pm

Petty Tyrant
GTS250 GTS300 MP3 500
Joined: 11 Oct 2005
Posts: 31030
Location: Bay Area, California
 
Petty Tyrant
GTS250 GTS300 MP3 500
Joined: 11 Oct 2005
Posts: 31030
Location: Bay Area, California
Tue May 18, 2021 2:53 pm linkquote
Guzzi Gal wrote:
I can imagine it being in the redwoods, somewhere secluded, light filtering through the branches high above, oxalis sprinkled around its edges, and maybe a banana slug slithering by.
So, not in Phoenix, then.
Tue May 18, 2021 3:11 pm

Molto Verboso
GTV300 (wife's)
Joined: 08 Nov 2014
Posts: 1475
Location: Central New York
 
Molto Verboso
GTV300 (wife's)
Joined: 08 Nov 2014
Posts: 1475
Location: Central New York
Tue May 18, 2021 3:11 pm linkquote
jess wrote:
That looks like a device to turn humans into lobsters.
Yes, would not want to be in there on a sunny day in New Mexico or other such places.

Heck even up here in cold snowy New York on a day like we had to day, sunny and temps in the 70's the solar gain would kill you.
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