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I got a pretty good deal on what looked like a solid restoration candidate. Legshield trim and the Vespa badge were a bit of a curiosity as you would expect it to be an Allstate in 63. But, dealer sticker says Cushman Vespa - on Franklin Street in Minneapolis - making sense of why it's not the typical 60's Allstate VNB.

I got it for a little less than expected and stored it at a friend of a friends. (Huge shout out to Dean and Mischa!) When I initially bought the thing I planned to eventually go pick it up in on a side trip to visit friends/family. *sigh* Of course.... I quickly got the scooter jones and a bad case of the gimme gimme's, so I called Haul-bikes. My "good deal", cheap resto project became a "overpriced" resto project. (1275 for the scoot and the delivery).

Anyway... meet the shitbox: I think the OG amethyst gray is absolutely gorgeous. It has some issues, but also has a ton of character and a bunch of positives.
Frontside
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My lack of self control writ large...
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Some of the good...
Lots of OK paint and relatively straight body. The owner claimed the engine turned over and at first I was disappointed when it didn't kick over. But... I noticed that no clutch cable was anywhere to be seen and tried to move the clutch actuator by hand and then pushed down the kick start and got the sweet sound of the piston moving in the jug.

Nice.
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Some of the bad
I knew it has some floor board rust and a farmer bodge in the center channel. I was concerned about how much channel rust the farmer bodge was gonna be responsible for. I was suprised to see a secnond hack job on the side wall of the center channel.
I knew this was a concern
I knew this was a concern
An unpleasant surprise... I didn't clock the in the for sale pics. Looking back its pretty obvious,
An unpleasant surprise... I didn't clock the in the for sale pics. Looking back its pretty obvious,
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The channel of doom...
Some critter of course nested in the scoot for a winter of two. (Rat from St Paul who later sublet to a mouse family from Eagan.) Seriously the cancer in there looks a bit troubling...
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So the plan... open to suggestions of course.

I wanna keep the OG paint. I had planned to have the farmer bodge in the center channel welded closed. Would it be structurally sound to weld the bodge in the side channel? Meh... don't really have a choice. Of course, I need to treat the rust in there too. Thoughts?

Plan to do a pinasco ignition, 20/20 carb, just a stock p125 exhaust or equivalent and 150 or 177 top end. Obviously, tires, cables, harness, front end, etc.

Speaking of front end what's the best play there for a better ride?

Thanks for your thoughts folks.

Will leave ya with a few more pics....
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Ahem... Anyone have a 63 speedo?
Ahem... Anyone have a 63 speedo?
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And the cuts look all fixable, but rust is the tough nut to crack..... would it be possible to sandblast some of the worst stuff? The rust on my project was down low below the tank and just the beginning of the tunnel.
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It's not uncommon to find old scooters that farmers have cut holes in the sheet metal in order to gain access to the control cables. In your case, it would be VERY easy to weld them closed. It would probably take 15 minutes for a class A weld job....done and done right there.

I think everyone here knows my stance on rust, so i'll do my best to keep my mouth shut on this one. Besides, my recommendation would go against you wanting to keep the original paint.
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Great Find Brother

As for bad news, i think afc 50 rust remover spray can help inside all the tunnel and a good wax (this is were Brother Voodo should chime in) and weld the hole in the floorboard and try to cover it with a match paint

Good luck with the bike and cheer
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Hey ebeth! Hope you are well my friend!

What do folks think about using converter or a "rust stopper" spayed into the channel after trying to manually clean what I can? I know there are 2 sides to the idea from skimming some old threads.

In some car forums I have read about some cavity sprays that combine converters/wax. I suspect it just slows the creep more than anything, but wondering if anyone here has first hand experience?

Eastwood:
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or this:

https://www.waxoyl-usa.com/products/corrosion-protection/120-4.html
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man, i dig it. hopefully you can get the rusty bits under control and you don't get rat-fucked on the whole deal.

i'd leave it as OG as possible, rockin' the paint, bodges, bumps and bruises and then stab in a bone stock 125/150 three port motor, figure out a dampener for the front fork and ride the ever loving piss out of it.

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Check into POR15, the VW ppl swear by it and it seems like it would work nicely here. Just don't leave it out in the rain or ride it through the waves at the beach.

For your speedo, just go on aBay and get an indian knockoff OR get extremely lucky and parlay your moderator status into discovering one languishing on some obscure dusty shelf somewhere. If you find two, grab one for me. But my Indian one actually does work well enough...


https://www.por15.com/POR-15-Rust-Preventive-Coating

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If you can get it back to some good metal that will be an easy fix with the welder. This will be a fun project.
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My project had a nest the same as yours, but with the drip tray still intact, it lessened the damage to the upper area and easily remedied the rust problem with a media blaster. That Por stuff does look like it may work if you have the ability to turn the scoot upside down.
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Cushman Motor Company is still there. "Since 1949". No Vespas though!
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Ok that's hella cool. Thanks for posting up the pic!
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Thanks all for thoughts and suggestions y'all.... It funny Voodoo, I have a friend that has VW's and the POR 15 was his suggestion too. But he mentioned some spray I would need to use first... a rust converter or something. Reading more about it this evening.

Dropped the engine with one minor snafu. I had to cut the rear brake cable. Total panic move. I forgot to disconnect it and pulled both engine bolts. Complete cromag moment, but the scoot was teetering on the milkcrate with gravity making a strong case for a gong show. Figured it'd be easier to replace the cable than bang out more dents. Heh.

The paint behind the crusty engine was fookin gorgeous. I know I'm all smitten with the excitement of a new side piece and all, but I think this amethyst grey may be my favorite color. Top 3 at least.... Swoon.

Fork drop next.

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Ok... we have found multiple farmer bodges. Throttle cable in the head set is classic corn engineering. Love it.

Also found a clutch case bolt removed so some rust in the clutch basket is probably assured. Bah...

But ..what I can't figure out is the solder on the bottom of the cable guide. Thoughts?
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My solder thoughts!

I'll bet that was a pool of solder he was tryng to make a nipple for the broken cable in. And quickly realised it was futile as I have done in the past.

Nice project, got me itching for another.
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I'll bet that was a pool of solder he was tryng to make a nipple for the broken cable in. .
This. Thanks. I am sure you are right.
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It was a day of measuring success as a ratio of rusted nuts released vs how many times I stabbed myself with a screw driver in the process. Every single nut was pretty much seized in the front fender and points south. Lots of pb blaster. Lots of cussing, lots of waiting, and a couple bandaids.

One bolt left on the fender. Plan is to soak it overnight and give it another go before I cut the damn thing off. See below...

The best part of the day though was spent finding all sorts the farmer bodges. Old guy was making due with what he had for sure. *Hat tip*
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I mentioned this one yesterday but didn't post a good pic...

Flathead screw in some kinda capture nut as a stop on the throttle inner :
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Then the selector cable has a brass retainer on the batwing
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These scoots can definitely cause pain.
Maybe you can add some heat to it.
I had a flat screw in my front fender that was holding down the trim piece on top and would budge, I was almost ready to give up with the screw slot being mangled and thought I'd clean up the slot a bit with my cut off wheel , there was enough heat from the wheel that the mangled screw threaded right out.
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And my favorite so far... some kinda copper tubing crimped as an outer on the speedo cable.
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Stuffing things back in the garage for the day....
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And finally ... to see some progress... I cleaned up the carb box lower to end the day.
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Hey Lynn!
Yeah... I will try the torch for sure before I do to the cut off wheel. Thanks for the reminder.
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Since acquiring the GL, I've decided sprays are pretty useless against mature rust. Go straight to the torch.
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Agreed, heat concentrated in the right area does wonders. Heck, I have set PBlaster on fire using a torch and that worked good too. Just keep the fire extinguisher close buy and wear good eye protection in case something "pops" during all this and comes flying at you.
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Vader would send me back to the garage to try again on that carb box.
But thanks!!!

Yesterday was a crap day. The front fork tear down has become a bit of white whale due to rust.

May walk away for the day and then come back at it with more fire (and then cutting wheel if needed). I need to get a fire extinguisher anyway. There was almost an incident. But, since the wife doesn't know, and the melted piece of packing blanket cleaned up well, and the only witness is the dog... nothing happened. *ahem*
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^^^ Been there. After commandeering the oven, clothes dryer, and house vacuum a few times, I found it easier just to struggle thru rather then suffer the backlash of my lovely (and patient) wife.
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