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It's a 140/BE3/98 (or 100... tbd)

And this is why Greasy scares me...
Excellent, thanks for that. And the crate is PERFECTION
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Flattening the gloss with Talc was a pretty impactful step.
Can you share some wisdom on the talc process? Do you spray and then apply it to the wet paint? Or wait until its tacky? Or dry? How do you apply it evenly?
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So I have read of folks mixing it with their paint and shooting through a filter to catch the particles that didn't absorb. But, I've never see it done in practice so can't comment. My method is stupid simple...

Shoot your paint.
Let it dry completely.
Sprinkle Talc (has to be talc and not "baby powder") over fresh paint.
Rub in gently.
Blow off excess.

It acts like a 3000/4000 grit sand paper and just barley cuts back the shine of the new paint.

My scoot was grey and thus a really friendly candidate for trying to match paint. Red will be tougher, but I bet you can probably get real close.
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Ok, I have to admit that Mark has been the key to getting the last fiddly bits of this shit box sorted. Thanks amigo!!! He came by today and after some breakfast sandwiches we (he) figured out the crazy repop switch. We now have a horn and running lights... aka "street legal" in Texas!

We then swapped out rear axle nuts. I had a tiny leak on the OG nut.
Anyone have a solution for this?
This is my second scoot that has had the issue. Although this one is nowhere near as bad as my old rally 180, it is still enough to roach the brake shoes with a drop or two of gear oil.

In other news, I put a 98 main in and we GPSd at 57 and change. Still had alot of wind up left too. I suspect 60 will be easy work once it's broken in.

I am an official member of the 8's Fan Club!!!
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You are too kind, Jeff. It is a group effort! Brekky sandwiches hit the spot. Thank you.

That scoot on 8's shore is a kwik little bugger!

Calling out to the brain trust here. Following Jeff's question, but how to stop the inevitable slow leak around the rear axle castle nut?? Metal-castle nut on metal-outer-rear bearing always seems to seep a little oil.

-make a paper gasket donut?
-teflon tape the threads? (saw this on a video)
-small smear of some type of sealer? (don't want to muck up the bearing or make it a PITA to remove next time though)

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Hmmm, I thought a seal went over that bearing and there is a wire clip in there to keep the nut from backing out.

We just cleaned up Chris's brakes and had a look at what was going on. Leaking from the same spot. But there is a rubber seal on the outside. I'm glad I took a pic!

BTW, good work! 8's are awesome!
The wire clip isn't in the pic but it hooks between the two sets of valleys, so to speak.
The wire clip isn't in the pic but it hooks between the two sets of valleys, so to speak.
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I'm so impressed with how great it sounds zipping on the road, it really sounds well tuned already. I wish mine sounded that great.
The box really makes it .
I think you should crown it , no longer a Minnesota Shit Box. So impressed. 8)
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I'm so important with how great it sounds zipping on the road, it really sounds well tuned already. I wish mine sounded that great.
The box really makes it .
I think you should crown it , no longer a Minnesota Shit Box. So impressed. 8)
I agree. The Minnesota swiss watch sounds marvelous. In comparison, B-62 sounds like a box of rocks! I've got to split the cases and see what's what in there. I want to replace the crank because I had to use the brass bushing instead of needle bearings when connecting the 177 piston. And the kick starter has something funky going on too. This thread is inspiring me to make it happen, probably sooner rather than later.
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Hmmm, I thought a seal went over that bearing and there is a wire clip in there to keep the nut from backing out.

We just cleaned up Chris's brakes and had a look at what was going on. Leaking from the same spot. But there is a rubber seal on the outside. I'm glad I took a pic!

BTW, good work! 8's are awesome!
Qascooter, you are correct. Photo I used doesn't show the seal or clip in place. Both those pieces are there but the oil seep always seems to show itself at the threads where there it is metal to metal contact.
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Hmmm, I thought a seal went over that bearing and there is a wire clip in there to keep the nut from backing out.

We just cleaned up Chris's brakes and had a look at what was going on. Leaking from the same spot. But there is a rubber seal on the outside. I'm glad I took a pic!

BTW, good work! 8's are awesome!
Qascooter, you are correct. Photo I used doesn't show the seal or clip in place. Both those pieces are there but the oil seep always seems to show itself at the threads where there it is metal to metal contact.
OK, cool. The VBB case is new to me so Chris and I were both scratching our heads wondering about the leak. He's keeping an eye on it to see how badly it's leaking. I'd think the seal would keep it from leaking....
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Thanks for the thoughts on the leak y'all. Gratzi
And even more thanks for the comments abut the tune. Poi Dog is for sure the reason it is dialed in so quickly. He knows what for.

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In other news, I put a 98 main in and we GPSd at 57
Have not been able to repeat that run I have 53.6 and 54 In subsequent runs.

I'm not complaining mind you.
But that first result may have been "GPS signal" enhanced speed. (Still...every time I peg the KPH speedo all the way to the bottom past 90 it makes me grin like a fool.)
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Looks pretty dang good.Clap emoticon

Proper old scooter, struggling to get to 60. Best wishes!
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Hey BN, question for you. What crank did you put in that Minnesota Swiss Watch? I couldn't find it in the thread.

Reason I'm asking is I'm getting a parts list together for the 62 Allstate...
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ha!


It's a Tameni crank.
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Was riding with Mark in Central Houston when all the sudden a seafoam blue VNA rolls up beside us out of nowhere.

That stuff never happens in H town!!!

We had the pleasure of meeting forum member Kyle and chatting about Vespas, scooter mercato, antitheft mods, and what nots...

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This delights me to no end.

Roll on boys, and roll deep!

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Seems legit....
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That is so very cool! 8)
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Sweet!
I may have to load up and come back!
Y'all clearly need a scoot with sidecar in your posse.
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Sweet!
I may have to load up and come back!
Y'all clearly need a scoot with sidecar in your posse.
Yes please. We need a way to transport large quantities of Gin and Voodoo Donuts safely.

In other happenings I was able to source a 63 TX moto plate. Had to shell out a few Jacksons, but will submit for use with the DMV. *crosses fingers*
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Sweet!
I may have to load up and come back!
Y'all clearly need a scoot with sidecar in your posse.
Yes please. We need a way to transport large quantities of Gin and Voodoo Donuts safely.
I second that.
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In other happenings I was able to source a 63 TX moto plate. Had to shell out a few Jacksons, but will submit for use with the DMV. *crosses fingers*
Nice Find!!
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Just read the whole topic, and I'm amazed at the result, especially with re touching up the floorboards, and basically making it look like it was well maintained and maybe repaired a few decades back. Well done!
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Nice find on the licence plate. I consider the plate just as important as any other mod to an older scooter. It just ties everything together!
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Oh man - I am so jealous.
The hell with VT registrations.
I need to figure out how to get a black/yellow Cali plate.
Am sure it would make mine a few MPH cooler.
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Very cool vintage plate Birdsnest is there a secondary plate for a registration sticker?
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Just read the whole topic, and I'm amazed at the result, especially with re touching up the floorboards, and basically making it look like it was well maintained and maybe repaired a few decades back. Well done!
Thanks. It would never make it past a concourse judge. (Especially the engine cowl which was a blue allstate cowl when I started), but it gives me joy to preserve as much of the OG paint as possible.
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Oh man - I am so jealous.
The hell with VT registrations.
I need to figure out how to get a black/yellow Cali plate.
Am sure it would make mine a few MPH cooler.
At least 2 or 3 mph. Yeah, I did the title through Joey at Saints Cycle Works. Worth the $. If the plate gets approved it will officially be "An Antique Moto" in Texas that means no inspection required and only registration every 5 years. So... cheaper in the long run for sure.

As Whodatschrome and the dude say... (the vintage plate)... it really ties the room together.
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Very cool vintage plate Birdsnest is there a secondary plate for a registration sticker?
Thx. No secondary plate. I just have to find room for a small reg sticker about the size of the E in TEX on the plate itself.
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CA sent me these for Y.O.M. Registration new stickers supposed to go on this.
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Oh I like that...Thanks man!

I'll use an old plate and maybe make a a small metal tab that I can attach to one of the mounting holes for the 63 plate and stick the registration on the that instead. Dig
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And gps trials again ... this time with a warmed up scoot and after putting ~45 highway miles on it over the weekend ...

We're back to almost 60 with a 58.7
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Most Excellent. It looks like it's time to break down my 62 Allstate engine. 3rd gear disappeared on the last ride, and I know it's not the cables....

I probably should've gone the way you did from the get go, but it started and ran, so.....
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Very Nice!
Just shy of 6500rpm is what I got with the gearing calculator, with 58.7mph =94.4kph.

One tooth up on the clutch gear would yield a ~4.7% upgear, if I did my math right. If able to pull the same rpm in top gear, it would yield ~61.4mph. Upon further contemplation, not sure if its worth sacrificing the incredible acceleration it has now for a measly 3mph. Just spit-balling here....

Wait! Your '63 TX plate just made up that difference! You're good to go!!
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Oh man - I am so jealous.
The hell with VT registrations.
I need to figure out how to get a black/yellow Cali plate.
Am sure it would make mine a few MPH cooler.
At least 2 or 3 mph. Yeah, I did the title through Joey at Saints Cycle Works. Worth the $. If the plate gets approved it will officially be "An Antique Moto" in Texas that means no inspection required and only registration every 5 years. So... cheaper in the long run for sure.

As Whodatschrome and the dude say... (the vintage plate)... it really ties the room together.
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Hahhaha!

...and I agree trading the silly torque of the shitbox for 3mph doesn't seem like a fair trade.
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So after noticing some detonation I bumped up the jet to a 100 main.
Runs great and the detonation seems gone.

Bonus topped 60 this morning/

I'm am grateful today for high speeds on 8 inch wheels.
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Wooohoooo!! 60 on 8s with 3 gears must feel Like ludicrous speed!
Congrats and nice job!
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Congrats. Welcome to the 60/8 Club.

Pretty cool, ain't it?
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The 60/8 club - I like it! Clap emoticon Clap emoticon Clap emoticon
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Congrats and nice job!
Ha! I imagine thats exactly what that feels like!

I made a video in grad art school 14 yrs ago this reminds me of.
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