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Tue May 26, 2020 10:19 am linkquote
I opened up my new Clauss LF shock mounts, and compared to 2 different Smallframes. Here is what I found.

Lets start with the Front Shock top mount buffers:
The Clauss buffers I have are for a Pseries shock; and include 2 polyurethane buffers, large washer, lock washwer, nyloc nut. Compared to the stock SF rubber buffers, the inside diameter of both are the same, but the Clauss buffers have a larger outside diameter. The bottom buffer can be used as is, since it rests against a flat steel plate. The top buffer OD will need to be turned down to fit inside the metal cup. This should be easy, its just polyurethane.

My only concern is that the stock rubber buffers compress and swell when the washer/nut is tightened, creating a snug fit around the top of the shock shaft. The Clauss buffers are much harder, and I dont see them compressing or swelling. So perhaps they will allow the shock shaft to 'float' inside, and contact the fork. We'll see once installed..


Clauss Mounts compared to stock rubber mounts


ID is the same, OD is larger on the Clauss Pseries buffers


rubber ID has about 1mm play all around between the shock shaft


Same ID play on the Clauss version, but with larger OD. No problem for the bottom buffer. might be a slight improvement and more stable than the smaller rubber, in addition to it being firm Poly.


Stock rubber Top buffer, fits in the metal cup snuggly.


Clauss buffer is too big for the cup. Will turn down the OD to fit. easy peezy

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Tue May 26, 2020 10:37 am linkquote
Clauss Studios Rear Shock upper mount
Then the Rear Top mount:
The Clauss mount is much larger than the stock rubber topper. It includes the metal mount, extra mounting bolt, 2 sets of washers and nuts, and a flat poly buffer to go between the metal mount and frame. On the large frame it allows it to be secured with an extra bolt for more stability against the frame. On the small frame, the extra space is limited; so the Clauss mount will not fit as is. I test fit it on 2 different frames: a '81 100 Sport & '64 Small door 90. The frames are a bit different in the shock mount area, and space is limited on both. Everything is smaller on a Small Frame!

The '64 90 has a molded raised bump adjacent to shock mount hold.
The '81 100 Sport has a raised pinched metal seam instead of the bump.
Both have limited space Left-right to fit the upper mount.

The bump-or-lip can be overcome with the flat poly spacer. Might need a thicker one for the '81. The metal casing of the Clauss mount will not fit in the space between the outer frame and the inner recess where the tank fits into. From what I can tell the only way to make this mount work, would be to modify the mount to be smaller, and reposition the secondary bolt hole to be closer to the first.


Clauss Rear Shock Upper Mount


'64 Small door 90. Note the raised bump next to stock mount hole


Clauss mount too big. No way to attached second bolt through frame


'81 100 Sport. Note the raised pinched seam next to stock mount hole


Same issue as the small door. Not enough room to fit the metal mount. Second bolt hole would need to be relocated as shown in red, closer to the stock hole.


The metal mount casing would need to be trimmed down shorter, and a new hole drilled in the mount & frame.

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Tue May 26, 2020 8:04 pm linkquote
Nice bit of detail GL!
Great reference.
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Wed May 27, 2020 6:41 am linkquote
chop it & spin through 90 degrees

should still last longer and be firmer than the stock item
Wed May 27, 2020 9:14 am

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Wed May 27, 2020 9:14 am linkquote
Gravelrash2004 wrote:
chop it & spin through 90 degrees

should still last longer and be firmer than the stock item
thats the idea! It's grinding time! lol
Wed May 27, 2020 12:57 pm

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Wed May 27, 2020 12:57 pm linkquote
Careful using a grinder to cut it. It can easily build up too much heat and melt the poly bushing.
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Wed May 27, 2020 1:22 pm linkquote
most likely actually just use a hacksaw or sawzall
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Wed May 27, 2020 2:27 pm linkquote
Ordered a Full Set of Mounts
Ordered a set, now I just have to figure out the engine or swing arm mounts, the engine is still installed.
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Wed May 27, 2020 3:58 pm linkquote
Re: Ordered a Full Set of Mounts
Christopher_55934 wrote:
Ordered a set, now I just have to figure out the engine or swing arm mounts, the engine is still installed.
Drop that motor and swap them out! Do it right and It'll be tight!
Wed May 27, 2020 5:25 pm

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Wed May 27, 2020 5:25 pm linkquote
Re: Ordered a Full Set of Mounts
GeekLion wrote:
Christopher_55934 wrote:
Ordered a set, now I just have to figure out the engine or swing arm mounts, the engine is still installed.
Drop that motor and swap them out! Do it right and It'll be tight!
Going to browse a few YouTube videos and see what I can find for dropping a Stella motor, can't be much to it. I'll have the gas tank out to put in the upper mount for the shock, so the oil and fuel lines will already be off.
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Wed May 27, 2020 5:53 pm linkquote
Re: Ordered a Full Set of Mounts
Christopher_55934 wrote:
GeekLion wrote:
Christopher_55934 wrote:
Ordered a set, now I just have to figure out the engine or swing arm mounts, the engine is still installed.
Drop that motor and swap them out! Do it right and It'll be tight!
Going to browse a few YouTube videos and see what I can find for dropping a Stella motor, can't be much to it. I'll have the gas tank out to put in the upper mount for the shock, so the oil and fuel lines will already be off.
Thats a good head start!
Unhook the throttle cable, choke cable, clutch cable, rear brake cable, gear cables. Or just remove the whole selector box if you dont want to readjust those 2. Unhook the wire junction box. Pull the big bolt, and drop down. maybe a few other things for the Stella, but thats about it.
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Wed May 27, 2020 6:09 pm linkquote
Removing the selector box with the cables attached is a million times easier than hooking up from scratch. Find a video but it's easier done than said.
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Thu May 28, 2020 6:44 am linkquote
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Removing the selector box with the cables attached is a million times easier than hooking up from scratch. Find a video but it's easier done than said.
So true!

Now is also a good time to replace the cable inners for throttle, clutch & selectors if needed.

Clean all the gunk out from the engine bay too
Fri May 29, 2020 4:40 am

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Fri May 29, 2020 4:40 am linkquote
GeekLion wrote:
BlackT5 wrote:
Removing the selector box with the cables attached is a million times easier than hooking up from scratch. Find a video but it's easier done than said.
So true!

Now is also a good time to replace the cable inners for throttle, clutch & selectors if needed.

Clean all the gunk out from the engine bay too
Thats turning into an all day or weekend project, I'll have to see whats available for liners. Wouldn't mind something with a teflon lining if its available, and they weren't from the factory.
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Fri May 29, 2020 6:26 am linkquote
It shouldn't take more than a few hours to swap all the cables. I'm in the process of doing mine now and swapped the clutch in about 20 minutes. Shifter and throttle cables are a huge pain due to the T5's headset design but any other Vespa is mostly easy.

The key to doing it easy is this:
Buy a piece of cable longer than 2 housings from the hardware store.
Put a pinch nut on one end.
Feed the cable through the new housing.
Feed the cable through the old housing at the motor side.
Put a vice grips or another pinch nut at the end of the old housing.
Use a pull push method to feed the whole thing in.
Done.
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Wed Jun 24, 2020 6:19 am linkquote
I have shocks and Clause mounts sitting in a box. Going to attempt this next weekend I think. Going to get some all thread and nuts, washer etc for the motor mounts. Anything else I could need?
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Wed Jun 24, 2020 6:54 am linkquote
Cristopher - just curious - why allthread instead of the stock bolt?
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Wed Jun 24, 2020 1:03 pm linkquote
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Cristopher - just curious - why allthread instead of the stock bolt?
I'd guess he's using the allthread to make a puller for the swing arm mounts
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O.
Right.
Never Mind.
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Thu Jul 02, 2020 6:46 pm linkquote
Installed Carbone Front Shock and Clauss upper mount
Put these on this evening, will start on the back tomorrow after I get some clearance on the SIP speedometer sensor.

Going to move shock to middle position once I get sensor clearance.

A spring compressor or a 1/4" shorter shock would make life easier. I tried taking the top loose to get it off no help. I couldn't compress the new spring enough to get it to move passed the mounting plate on top. I have it on the softest setting already. A few fine curse words in my head and pulling the front brake caliper helped a very little bit. I will have a set of motorcycle coilover shock spring compressors if I have to get in there again.







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Fri Jul 03, 2020 1:00 pm linkquote
Clauss rear mount install went fine
Rear mount install went fine, the worthless instructions were well worthless. Doesn't even give you a bit size for the bolt hole. Oh by the way it you aren't running a spacer on the rear shock you need one. Looks like a 30 mm or more to give you room to get a wrench in there when tight. I put the old shock back on the threads are longer and I could double nut it. Have to order a spacer to put the new shock on.

Put everything back together and cleaned up my mess for the day. I noticed the old rear shock spring is now rubbing against the body. I installed the upper mount with the welded on stud into the original mount hole and put the nut and bolt in the new hole I drilled. Did I install it backwards? Anybody had this happen? I didn't study the mount closely need to figure out what happened. Why is it moved closer to the body? Hopefully I won't have to pull the gas tank to pull the mount and figure out what moved. Thinking about going out and measure the new spring maybe it's a bit smaller.







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Fri Jul 03, 2020 7:27 pm linkquote
Just went out and looked, looks more like the shock isn't aligned forward to aft and should be more aft. It's rubbing on the bump in for the motor. I have new motor mounts to put in tomorrow, well see what that does. Could be an all day affair if I have to go into town for all thread. I do have a compressor and air chisel it might just push the mount right out. I was thinking of all thread and pulling the old mount out one side and into a piece of pipe or square tubing. Square tubing would give me more room for error. The rear shock rubber was in good shape, maybe the motor mount is shot allowing the motor to move forward?

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Sat Jul 04, 2020 6:43 am

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Sat Jul 04, 2020 6:43 am linkquote
Wish me good luck
Just watched a few of these videos, straight forward enough. Like the old VW Bug I used to pull the motor in 30 minutes or less. Might have been less connections.

https://youtu.be/-lfSfbmt9dQ
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Sat Jul 04, 2020 9:41 am linkquote
Lumps out and cleaned up.
Engines out and cleaned up, air dried with a compressor and finishing in the sun. Now I have to get some threaded rod and square tubing.

Plugged the holes, sprayed down with straight simple green, let soak for a few minutes then rinsed off. Repeated a few times, hopefully I didn't get to much in the electronics.













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Sat Jul 04, 2020 2:21 pm linkquote
Do you guys lube the long engine mount bolt and shock bolt?
Do you guys lube the engine mount bolt or shock bolt? I cant.see where it says to in the.service manual but metal on metal dry just doesn't seem like a great idea to me.
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Sat Jul 04, 2020 6:49 pm linkquote
I do. Just enough to keep the rust away so the punk who buys it at my estate sale 50 years from now can pull the motor without a cutoff wheel and sledge hammer.
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Sat Jul 04, 2020 7:12 pm linkquote
I put some grease on mine, Clauss includes some blue urethane safe grease. Who knows if I was supposed to or not, there in motor is back in.

Comparison of new urethane and old rubber mounts.


You only need about 8" of tubing, I used 1 .5" square drilled tubing because it's what I could find. I cut two pieces one 8" and one was three holes. Needed something to go over the end. Used 5 /16 threaded rod as it was easy to find and so







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Sat Jul 04, 2020 9:56 pm linkquote
The past 8 or so cases that i've swapped out the bushings, i just heated up the swingarm with a propane torch, jammed in a large flat blade screwdriver between the case and the rubber in order to squirt in some WD40 between the two, and then pry them out with that same screwdriver. 1-2 minutes per side for removal is my average time. Smear a little grease on the new ones, and tap them in....and writing side up if you want it to look pro.
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Sun Jul 05, 2020 4:26 am linkquote
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The past 8 or so cases that i've swapped out the bushings, i just heated up the swingarm with a propane torch, jammed in a large flat blade screwdriver between the case and the rubber in order to squirt in some WD40 between the two, and then pry them out with that same screwdriver. 1-2 minutes per side for removal is my average time. Smear a little grease on the new ones, and tap them in....and writing side up if you want it to look pro.
I used this to get the center steel shaft out of the bushings. The rubber bushings themselves came out of mine fairly easy after I hooked them with a 90 degree pick. I tried pushing that center shaft out of mine with a chisel and air hammer and it didn't move.
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Sun Jul 05, 2020 5:10 am linkquote
Re: Do you guys lube the long engine mount bolt and shock bo
Christopher_55934 wrote:
Do you guys lube the engine mount bolt or shock bolt? I cant.see where it says to in the.service manual but metal on metal dry just doesn't seem like a great idea to me.
I grease my mount bolt with as much marine bearing grease as I can jam in there. Otherwise, with salt exposure during winter riding, I wind up cutting the motor out of the frame every time.
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Sun Jul 05, 2020 7:37 am linkquote
Christopher_55934 wrote:
whodatschrome wrote:
The past 8 or so cases that i've swapped out the bushings, i just heated up the swingarm with a propane torch, jammed in a large flat blade screwdriver between the case and the rubber in order to squirt in some WD40 between the two, and then pry them out with that same screwdriver. 1-2 minutes per side for removal is my average time. Smear a little grease on the new ones, and tap them in....and writing side up if you want it to look pro.
I used this to get the center steel shaft out of the bushings. The rubber bushings themselves came out of mine fairly easy after I hooked them with a 90 degree pick. I tried pushing that center shaft out of mine with a chisel and air hammer and it didn't move.
Heat up (as in real hot) the center steel tube with a torch, then you can easily pull it out with a pair of channel lock pliers.
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Mon Jul 20, 2020 5:08 am linkquote
Carbone Rear Shock on 2007 Stella Scooter
Just in case someone is looking at installing a Carbone rear shock on a 2007 Stella. The OEM rear shock on a Stella has a long shock spacer built into it, using a longer top shock rod. The shock rod is actually longer, so no spacer. When I started to install the Carbone shock I had issues and figured this out, when I looked at the two side by side before installing the rear shock. Bought the longest spacer I could get from Scooter Mercato and it was the correct length 54 mm maybe?
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Tue Jun 01, 2021 12:23 am linkquote
Christopher_55934 wrote:
I put some grease on mine, Clauss includes some blue urethane safe grease. Who knows if I was supposed to or not, there in motor is back in.

Comparison of new urethane and old rubber mounts.
Now that you've had them installed for a while now, do you think it was worth it?

Thinking of installing the rear shock mount and the front bushings.
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Phangtonpower wrote:
Now that you've had them installed for a while now, do you think it was worth it?

Thinking of installing the rear shock mount and the front bushings.
I like them, and would put them in again. Some people find them to harsh and don't like the feel of them. I don't like a mush ( highly technical term) feeling when riding. Also why I'm going to a 2.5 x 11" wide wheel and 110/70-11 tire.
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