GTS 300 tire review - Pirelli Angel Scooter Tires
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2001 ET4 150 Red, 2010 GTS 300 Volcano Black, 2013 BV 350 Silver/Black
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Tue Jun 23, 2020 7:31 pm quote
I have over 22000 miles on the GTS and have gone through 5 rear and 2-3 front sets of Pirelli GT 23/24 tires and more recently a set of front and rear Pirelli Diablo tires. I had no complaints in the wet or dry handling with any of the previous tires.

I seem to get not more than 3400-3500 miles on a rear tire, with not quite doubling the miles on the front tires.

It seemed as I approached 22,000 miles this riding season I needed a new front/rear tires (I also needed to replace the rear swing arm bearing). I chose to try the newer Pirelli Angel Scooter tires w/ a matched set front and rear. They were even less expensive than going for another set of Diablo's. I feel compelled to share the experience. These tires felt different, right out of the gate. With now 4 weekends and 400+ miles of riding, I have to say these are great handling tires. I feel as if I am "velcro'ed" to the pavement and have much less Vespa "wobble". Both wet and dry they feel unlike any other of the other Pirelli tires I've ridden on.

My supporting anecdotes are 1.) that the tire feels so soft and grippy that I found myself continually wanting to do bob and weave moves on smooth straight-away's just for fun, long after I wore off the "chicken strips" and 2.) The grippy sensation made me feel the need to check the tire pressure to see if it had somehow lowered, (I tend to keep my rear tires nearer 35-37 psi in case I ride 2 up), the pressure never moved in 400 miles, and 3.) the grippy feel has evidently let me corner harder than my usual conservative riding and I have scraped underside parts (riding 1-up) off both left and right turns twice each, somewhat unexpectedly in those 400 miles. While I don't recommend or endorse scraping underside parts on turns... I'm just saying and reporting... I must have felt more than usual lean confidence.

I'm only curious to know if they last as long as the previous tires - I'll let you know
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2020 GTS 300 HPE
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Tue Jun 23, 2020 8:14 pm quote
Thanks for sharing!

I'm at 5850mi on my factory-installed City Grips, and I think my rear is worn down to the bars in the center. Time to decide which tire I'd like on the back.

The CGs were my first pair of tires on my first moto, so I don't have much to compare to. I never had any problems with wobble or slipping though, so it's easy to default to them. I'd probably get the CG2s, just because 2 is a bigger/newer/fancier number than none.

I haven't tried any unpaved roads yet, but I do hit the speed limiter enough that speed rating matters way more than offroadability.

Also time to do the legwork to see if there are any parameters worth changing, like width or aspect ratio. I always surprise myself when I scrape in a corner, because it never feels like I'm leaned over that far.
Hooked
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Wed Jun 24, 2020 12:36 am quote
In Finnish forum we have a GTS buddy who changed from CG to PA. After 400 miles he was as happy as you. I will be monitoring you both....
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Wed Jun 24, 2020 4:22 am quote
Got city grips on my Sportcity, and have been thinking of changing to the Pirelli Angels as its only like $130 for a set compared to like $240 for the city grips.

Weird looking tread though.
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Wed Jun 24, 2020 5:04 am quote
The price of Pirelli sounds too good to be true. In the internet (Europe) CG is 15$ cheaper, like 60 $ per tyre. Pirelli about 75 $. You should grab the offer.
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Wed Jun 24, 2020 5:32 am quote
SubSeven wrote:
Got city grips on my Sportcity, and have been thinking of changing to the Pirelli Angels as its only like $130 for a set compared to like $240 for the city grips.

Weird looking tread though.
I can't find City Grips anywhere that would cost that much for two. I put 3 City Grip tires on my MP3 500 for that.
The 12" tires should be about $60-$75 each.
Hooked
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Wed Jun 24, 2020 9:45 am quote
mayorofnow wrote:
I'm at 5850mi on my factory-installed City Grips, and I think my rear is worn down to the bars in the center. Time to decide which tire I'd like on the back.
Robot recently made a video about those new CG2's:

NEW MICHELIN City Grip 2 Scooter Tires from Scooterwest.com
https://youtu.be/5woxDdfo4EQ

I don't have any issues with the original CG treads either and I will surprising scrape more than I prefer on the roads here.
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Wed Jun 24, 2020 2:09 pm quote
WEB-Tech wrote:
SubSeven wrote:
Got city grips on my Sportcity, and have been thinking of changing to the Pirelli Angels as its only like $130 for a set compared to like $240 for the city grips.

Weird looking tread though.
I can't find City Grips anywhere that would cost that much for two. I put 3 City Grip tires on my MP3 500 for that.
The 12" tires should be about $60-$75 each.
Sportcity uses 15" wheels so much more expensive. Cheapest you can get a front is $80-$90 with most places selling at $100, and the rears for some strange reason are a EU thing only and are $130 +$30ish for shipping. Edit that. Cant find them anywhere at the moment. But there is a city grip 2 on ebay for $88 + $26 shipping, whichsounds like a great deal. hmm..

Michelin Power Pure SC is also $240 a set. These are very nice also.

But right now the Pirellis are like only $62.50 for the front and $73.74 for the rear. That includes shipping. A really sweet deal if the tires are good.
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Wed Jun 24, 2020 10:57 pm quote
bosco12 wrote:
Robot recently made a video about those new CG2's:

NEW MICHELIN City Grip 2 Scooter Tires from Scooterwest.com
https://youtu.be/5woxDdfo4EQ
I saw that video about a week ago and posted a comment that never got a reply:

"Will a 130/60-13 [or 130/70-13] fit on the front of a 2020 GTS 300 and a 140/60-13 fit the rear? Is that a good option for 13" wheels?"

Must be pretty new tire because the online dealers I've checked don't carry it, or they carry only one of the sizes I'm interested in. I'm thinking, when it's time to replace one or both tires, I'd like to move to a 13" wheel.
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Thu Jun 25, 2020 7:27 am quote
My rear tire is due for replacement, and still there's only a finger's width between the rear tire and the fender. I'd be cautious about making the outside diameter any broader: Wouldn't want road debris to lock up the rear, and wouldn't want any changes to the tire geometry under load to eat away the fender.

There are also changes to acceleration and standover height to consider if you change the rear geometry, but those are more preference than safety.
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Thu Jun 25, 2020 8:21 pm quote
I did buy MICHELIN City Grip tires for my Scarabeo 200, with 16 inch tires....and they feel great in corners, compared to the Chinese tires that came with it, but a club member just bought the Angel's and so far, he like it....I seen on another forum, where the Angels are thought of as a good or better tire, than the City Grips.....It is good to have a choice, and if you don't like the City Grips, you can try the Angels....
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Mon Nov 16, 2020 9:32 am quote
I've just had Pirelli Angel Scooter tires installed on my rims and I've covered a bit over 225 miles on them, so consider this an early life cycle review.

I've had good luck with Michelin City Grips in the past, but my front end wobble was becoming very bad.

I have the the stock 120/70-12 on the front, and moved to 140/70-12 on the rear. PSI is 26.5 front, 29.5 rear. I had both tires mounted and balanced at a local motorcycle shop that was recommended by a fellow club mate.

1st - my front end wobble is completely gone - an absolute revelation. I've tried to force induce it by slamming throttle closed and decelerating from 35 mph while leaving only 2 fingers on one side of the handlebar - and no wobble. I do believe my old front City Grip - which was well worn - was out of balance and potentially cupped. So this is a major improvement.

2nd - the scoot feels well planted in the corners. I can carry a fair bit more speed into and through corners and I have more confidence with aggressive lean angles.

Overall - I'm very happy with the results. I'm not concerned with the age of a slow selling tire sitting on a shelf. I cover about 6K miles per year easily, so a front will last about 2.5 seasons at most, with a rear lasting 1.5 seasons at most.

I'm entering that minimal riding portion of the year in SW Ohio, but hope to put several hundred miles on before the spring season commences next year.


1st time I did this myself!

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Mon Nov 16, 2020 11:06 am quote
CrazyCarl wrote:
I do believe my old front City Grip - which was well worn - was out of balance and potentially cupped. So this is a major improvement.
So, the question is how a Pirelli Angel will do when it is well worn, out of balance, and cupped? It will likely be a while before that question is answered.
Molto Verboso
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Mon Nov 16, 2020 11:15 am quote
CrazyCarl wrote:
I've just had Pirelli Angel Scooter tires installed on my rims and I've covered a bit over 225 miles on them, so consider this an early life cycle review.

Will you be riding these tires in the Cannonball? Or going back to City Grips for Cannonball?
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Mon Nov 16, 2020 12:27 pm quote
I havenít experienced the wobble you describe, maybe I donít ride fast enough. I have noticed if I hold just the left grip then there is a bit of oscillation in the front end. My newer 2018 GTS doesnít seem to have it with same CG tyres.
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Mon Nov 16, 2020 1:48 pm quote
Have them for over 2k Kms now on my T5. Best tires I have tried so far on 10 inches. Hard sidewalls, no flexing when cornering, great grip on wet...



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Mon Nov 16, 2020 4:29 pm quote
Had City Grip tires and I can say that are more close to plastic then rubber. Now I'm on Diablo and can say it's much better choice (Sportcity 350ie). To my friend I recommended Angel for his BV300, tested them and can confirm all from 1st post here.
My advice- Avoid City Grip if you're active or sporty driver and this advice could save your life;-)
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2020 GTS 300 HPE
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Mon Nov 16, 2020 8:05 pm quote
My 2020 came with City Grips. I've replaced the rear with City Grip 2 after riding to the threads on the originals. Front is still stock CG.

I haven't had any front-end wobble unless the luggage rack is carrying weight.

I haven't tried non-CG, so I don't have a frame of reference to compare too, but I haven't had any problems riding sportily with Michelins.
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Tue Nov 17, 2020 12:23 pm quote
Dooglas wrote:
So, the question is how a Pirelli Angel will do when it is well worn, out of balance, and cupped? It will likely be a while before that question is answered.
I have ~2400 nearly all freeway miles on the Pirelli Angel fronts, and for $65, I'd definitely do it again since the scooter is wobble free and treadwear has been great.

In a few thou mi I'll probably have to replace the rears (city grip) and for 20% less, I'll be getting Angel to match the fronts. Glad to have a great lower cost scooter tire after being robbed by Michelin for SO SO long.
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Wed Nov 18, 2020 10:44 am quote
wbdvt wrote:
CrazyCarl wrote:
I've just had Pirelli Angel Scooter tires installed on my rims and I've covered a bit over 225 miles on them, so consider this an early life cycle review.

Will you be riding these tires in the Cannonball? Or going back to City Grips for Cannonball?
For Cannonball, I plan to have a set of Heidenau K66 LT already mounted to spare rims to help with the dirt sections on Days 6 and 7. If the tread life seems pretty strong on the Angels, I'll go with them. Otherwise, I might switch back to the CGs.

I won't likely be able to get a good sense of tread life until spring. Then I'll put some serious and hard miles on them. I measured the depth of tread on them with my caliper and found the rear was deeper than front. .16-.18" on the front compared to .21-.23" on the rear, installed both at 25,400 mile on the bike.

So I'll be tracking this closely as I rack up mileage on them. But my initial impressions are very good.
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Wed Nov 18, 2020 11:23 pm quote
Update on my City Grips, dated 9/15, installed 6/16. I found cracks in the sidewall in the back tire, while putting the cover on. Mileage new was 8600, current at 12,000. There is about 1/2 tread left, and I park under two big maple trees, outside, in Michigan. Does anyone else have cracks in their sidewalls?
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Thu Nov 19, 2020 12:55 am quote
greg531 wrote:
Update on my City Grips, dated 9/15, installed 6/16. I found cracks in the sidewall in the back tire, while putting the cover on. Mileage new was 8600, current at 12,000. There is about 1/2 tread left, and I park under two big maple trees, outside, in Michigan. Does anyone else have cracks in their sidewalls?
I have had the same thing happen to a pair of Michelin car tyres, plenty of tread left but sidewalls cracking at a similar age. The CGís Iím replacing on my 2012 GTS donít have the issue they have just gone hard, the front is the original tyre. Iím upgrading the rims to 13Ē and doing the 130/60 13 & 140/60 13 f/b combination with CG 2ís.
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Sun Nov 22, 2020 7:41 am quote
Couldnít agree more with Scooter10S. I have the city grip on my 2016 gts and the racing sixties arrived new with the Pirelli angel. Felt exactly what you describe, especially after 4000 kms on the new one. Wonít buy the city grip anymore.
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Fri Jan 01, 2021 9:48 pm quote
When I originally bought my Vespa GTS 250 it had the original Sava tires which sucked. I replaced them with City Grips and was very impressed. I rode to the past 2 Amerivespaís on them with confidence. I put roughly 9K-10K on my rear which was awesome and decided to try the Pirelli Angel. I rode all this last year with that on my rear and loved it. Corners a lot more aggressively and seems to give good grip in wet conditions as well, comparable to the city grips (which I rode in the rain with quite a bit). Not with about 15K on the front city grip I am due for a change. That may be pushing it for that tire (probably should have changed with 13k, wobble has been really bad and grip not great). I plan to replace with an Angel as well to see how the set works. Tread on rear is wearing well, so that gives me confined for the front. Being in Ohio I really wonít be able to test until the spring, but am really anxious to try the set out. If I donít like it, I will probably go back to city grips for all around riding and longevity alone.
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Sat Jan 02, 2021 2:12 am quote
You have my word that you'll never go back to CG after Angels
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Sat Jan 02, 2021 10:05 am quote
Agreed. Iíve been through several angels on a couple of different scoots. My tire of choice!
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Sat Jan 02, 2021 11:57 am quote
I actually like the City Grips and have zero issues with them over about 8,000K of riding . I find they wear well and ride well all and to me saving a few bucks on a tire is less important than having a tire I like. The cost of a Vespa tire compared to my other bikes is peanuts and they wear much longer than on a larger bike. I literally burn through the rears on my BMW motorcycles in no time but not on my Vespa with city grips even with my riding style being more or less the same.

The Angels sound promising and I might try them but will talk to my Piaggio dealer first who is someone I really trust.

As far as wobble goes.. so much of that is voodoo and a guessing game. I had front end head shaking and thought maybe the tires but nope, bent front fork thanks to Toronto's epic potholes. Replacing the tires and not getting a wobble may also simply they are new tires that are properly balanced.

My main concerns with a tire is how they handle bad road conditions especially wet and cold road surfaces. I've done a bit of research elsewhere on the Angel's VS the City Grip and it's a mixed bag. Neither tire is "bad" and the City Grip is to me at least a good tire. However I may try the Angel's just to see next time around.
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Sat Jan 02, 2021 6:49 pm quote
In the aesthetics department, the City Grip is the more attractive tyre.


Pirelli Angel


City Grip

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Sat Jan 02, 2021 7:07 pm quote
Sledge wrote:
In the aesthetics department, the City Grip is the more attractive tyre.
But they both look like ugly step sisters compared to the Zippy.



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Sun Jan 03, 2021 4:23 pm quote
When have crash because bad traction on such plastic tires it's really important how stylish would be selfie what would be taken during waiting of emergency hospital team
Two extras:
Tire pattern is hard to be seen during riding.
You as driver don't see it during drive.
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Sun Jan 03, 2021 4:29 pm quote
balki wrote:
When have crash because bad traction on such plastic tires it's really important how stylish would be selfie what would be taken during waiting of emergency hospital team
Two extras:
Tire pattern is hard to be seen during riding.
You as driver don't see it during drive.
I'm pretty sure znomit was being facetious. At the end of the day both the Michelin and Pirelli products are good tires and go with what you prefer. The Zippy... well as much as I was going to say something to the effect of buyer beware it actually does not seem to be that bad of a choice and probably not plastic.

https://www.revzilla.com/motorcycle/continental-zippy-1-scooter-tires
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Sun Jan 03, 2021 4:47 pm quote
It was a good tyre!
I couldn't get a matching pair which created havoc with my OCD and kept my up at night though.
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Mon Jan 04, 2021 2:14 am quote
The centrefold of tyres would have to be City Grip 2.
Look at those curves, no plastic there.
Enough to keep you up at night.



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Mon Jan 04, 2021 2:20 am quote
I see no curves. Are you wearing beer tyre goggles? Been on the VB have we?

And whats with the tread on the inside?



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Mon Jan 04, 2021 6:11 am quote
znomit wrote:
I see no curves. Are you wearing beer tyre goggles? Been on the VB have we?

And whats with the tread on the inside?
It's the matress of tires. When one side doesn't feel right you just flip it around.
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Mon Apr 19, 2021 10:15 am quote
1200 mile update on the Angels
I've been able to put a few miles (1200) on the new set and wanted to give an update. The scoot was mostly idle during the coldest months here, but I've been able to take a few longish day trips in the last 60 days. Most have been cooler days (below 65 F).

Road feel is still very good, I feel I can go as fast or faster through corners on the Angels as the previous CG1's. I've been diligent about tire pressures per the label in the glove box (26 front, 29 rear).

I've still not had any wobble issues, even when trying to induce it. Although I feel this phenomenon seems to manifest mostly on fairly well worn tires that are cupped or out of balance.

I did take some tread depth measurements at this juncture with plunge gauge on my calipers and this is what I found. I took these depth measurements in the main channels at the centerline of the tire where tread wear is greatest.

Front initial depth was .16", after 1200 miles it's .14" - approx 12.5% gone
Rear initial depth was .21", after 1200 miles it's .17" - approx 19.05% gone

Extrapolating overall life might be tough at this early stage. I would not be taking these all the way down to 0.0" but I know I've pushed the rear pretty close to that.

Based on taking these all the way down to 0.0", I'm looking at 6000 miles from the rear and 9600 miles form the front. For reference, I got about 8500 from my last CG rear (but I was way past due) and roughly 14K from the front.

I'll check back with another update in another 1000-1200 miles. I still like these tires and want to get a better judgement as time (and miles) goes on.
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Mon Apr 19, 2021 11:53 am quote
So I don't have a fraction of the seat time basis as the OP, but will observe I just replaced the ~18 year old Pirelli whatevers on the ET2 50 I was given last year with Michelin City Grips. It feels like a totally different machine as a result, much, much better. I've got maybe 20 miles on it since the replacement, but the difference in grip and feel is overwhelming in a good way.

But I'm sure that's more because of hardening of the original rubber over all that time than anything else.

The alternate choices out there for the sizes needed seemed to be random Chinese brands, and I wasn't very price sensitive, so the Michelins were an easy choice. I avoid Chinesium metal or rubber where I can.
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Mon Apr 19, 2021 1:25 pm quote
I've only ever felt wobble on my CGs if I hit a bump in a corner while I've got weight on the luggage rack. Both versions have been very stable for me, and I ride pretty sportily.
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Wed Apr 28, 2021 4:39 am quote
I just took delivery of some new CG2's to use for as spares for Cannonball. I decided to take a few measurements using the depth gauge on my calipers as a baseline, same as I did for the Angels.

Front tread initial depth on CG2 is .22", compared to .16" initial depth on the Angel.

Rear tread initial depth on CG2 is .24", compared to .17" initial depth on the Angel.

While my results are based only one example of each tire, they tell me there is more "meat" on the CG2.

That is almost certainly a factor in overall tire life.
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Wed Apr 28, 2021 4:48 am quote
Try the Bridgestones and then come and report.
I had them as standard on the T Max 500 ... OMG ...
Discreet but if you made curves in the mountains you had to open the missal and say a prayer.
The Savas on the Scarabeo 400 ... ugh! A slew of curses at every braking.
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