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Wed Oct 06, 2021 4:57 pm linkquote
Ray8 wrote:
You're missing the connectors there. I don't know what they originally looked like.
Two insulated ring terminals, with holes the same size as the inside diameter of the tan insulators you now have, will work very well IMO. Any hardware store should have them.
Took me way too long to visualize how this would work. Then just sat down and looked at the parts and ohhhh like this…


I'll obviously shorten the exposed wire down to the insulation.

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Wed Oct 06, 2021 5:12 pm linkquote
Much cleaner and this will solve the shorting issue for sure, thanks fellas!



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Wed Oct 06, 2021 5:14 pm linkquote
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Took me way too long to visualize how this would work. Then just sat down and looked at the parts and ohhhh like this…
Exactly.
Bulb will lock it all together.
Tue Oct 12, 2021 5:06 pm

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Tue Oct 12, 2021 5:06 pm linkquote
New day new problem.

VNA frame PX150E engine. Throttle cable is not right. Got the one for the VNA. Had 2 others before that I cut down the housing on but then cut the cable too short.

I have the cable adjuster bottomed out. And the slide is still about 1/3 open. You will notice in the pic the idle screw is completely out. Tried unscrewing it to see if it'd close anymore to no avail. I really don't wanna cut this and then end up short yet again. What to do?



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Tue Oct 12, 2021 5:42 pm linkquote
Hey FM,

They make these cable end connectors that would work in your situation. Here is a bigger one, but they also make smaller ones. I use a small one on the 62 Allstate at the throttle grip end.

https://www.scootermercato.com/Scooter-Parts/Cable-Bits/TH-PB

You can leave the cable long and adjust the connector, then cut the cable. I still cut it long, so in case I need to adjust later. Oh, and also maybe give yourself some room by adjusting the carb box barrel adjuster so you can go either way with it?
Tue Oct 12, 2021 5:53 pm

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Tue Oct 12, 2021 5:53 pm linkquote
Thanks, I've got those lil bastards already. Just struggling to get this right and it's wearing my brains out. Like how many times can one person screw up a throttle cable?

The current answer is 7. So much shame. This is including the 4 I tried on my Vino when I tried to put a Polini CP carb in there. Only to get so frustrated ruining 4 throttle cables that I put the stock carb back in instead. I'm no good at the throttling apparently. Ugh.
Tue Oct 12, 2021 6:01 pm

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Tue Oct 12, 2021 6:01 pm linkquote
I use pinch nipples like that on my throttle cables because I'm running oversize pulleys in most of my bikes. Once you've done it a couple times, it's no big deal and makes getting the throttle set up really easy.
Tue Oct 12, 2021 6:29 pm

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Tue Oct 12, 2021 6:29 pm linkquote
I'll still have to cut the housing yeah?

I guess I'll just take off like an inch or 2, that should give me plenty of cable still
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Tue Oct 12, 2021 6:53 pm linkquote
Get a generic long length throttle cable inner and only trim the outer if it is binding or routing funny.
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Tue Oct 12, 2021 6:59 pm linkquote
FridayMatinee wrote:
Thanks, I've got those lil bastards already. Just struggling to get this right and it's wearing my brains out. Like how many times can one person screw up a throttle cable?

The current answer is 7. So much shame. This is including the 4 I tried on my Vino when I tried to put a Polini CP carb in there. Only to get so frustrated ruining 4 throttle cables that I put the stock carb back in instead. I'm no good at the throttling apparently. Ugh.
Wait a minute. You can't pad your cable screw-up resume here with your Vino fails.
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Tue Oct 12, 2021 7:03 pm linkquote
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I'll still have to cut the housing yeah?

I guess I'll just take off like an inch or 2, that should give me plenty of cable still
Don't cut the housing. Get more cables.
Wed Oct 13, 2021 3:49 am

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Wed Oct 13, 2021 3:49 am linkquote
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Get a generic long length throttle cable inner and only trim the outer if it is binding or routing funny.
This is what I do. The long, generic cable costs a buck. I include one in my repair bag because it's small and limping home a scoot with a broken throttle cable, while do-able, suuuuuuucks.
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Wed Oct 13, 2021 5:40 am linkquote
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Don't cut the housing. Get more cables.
Better to do it that way just to be safe. Thanks.
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Wed Oct 13, 2021 12:04 pm linkquote
Do you have either of these tools?



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Wed Oct 13, 2021 12:12 pm linkquote
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Do you have either of these tools?
Yep both!

Took me WAY too many years to finally get a fourth hand tool. All my struggling in the bmx and road racing bicycle days and never bothered. Got one finally over the spring I think. What a helpful little tool. Have had cable cutters for decades though.
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Wed Oct 13, 2021 12:13 pm linkquote
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This is what I do. The long, generic cable costs a buck. I include one in my repair bag because it's small and limping home a scoot with a broken throttle cable, while do-able, suuuuuuucks.
I'm gonna order like 10 of them. Also wondering if a mountain bike shift cable would work as well. Shimano uses that tiny cable end that is on the carb side. Gonna check my box and see if I have any laying around
Wed Oct 13, 2021 12:17 pm

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I'm gonna order like 10 of them. Also wondering if a mountain bike shift cable would work as well. Shimano uses that tiny cable end that is on the carb side. Gonna check my box and see if I have any laying around
It'll work just fine, assuming that it's the same diameter.
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Wed Oct 13, 2021 2:13 pm linkquote
I use 60" cables from the local bike shop for my smallie. They make great throttle cables. You can also get tiny pinch bolts to put on the carb end if the solder tip doesn't fit.



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Wed Oct 13, 2021 4:14 pm linkquote
FridayMatinee wrote:
Yep both!

Took me WAY too many years to finally get a fourth hand tool. All my struggling in the bmx and road racing bicycle days and never bothered. Got one finally over the spring I think. What a helpful little tool. Have had cable cutters for decades though.
Great.
So here's "what I'd do." Please ignore what seems obvious:

First pull the outer out of the adjuster at the carb.
Lightly grease and insert cable, leaving slack at both ends.
Pull back and forth to make sure it's smooth.
Check that the cable's end cap is fully seated in its pocket at the throttle end.
If not, use your 4 hand tool to clamp the cable up against the outer at the carb end, so that you can pull the outer up (pulling the cable) into that pocket below the throttle (see pic). Small screwdriver can help navigate it in there. It has to be snug in there or you won't be able to adjust the cable properly.
Turn the adjuster at the carb all the way in, then back it out one or two turns.
Insert the cable through the adjuster, making sure the outer's end cap snugs in there as well.
Recheck the outer's snug fit below the throttle.
Connect the cable barrel to the throttle.
Feed the cable through the slide hook and thread the little pinch bolt onto the cable.
Snug the pinch bolt against the slide hook end and mark its location with a Sharpie on the cable.
Disconnect them from the hook.
Lightly tighten the pinch bolt to the cable at your Sharpie mark.
Carefully pull the hook out (towards the adjuster) with a pair of needle nose pliers. Insert pinch bolt.
Confirm that the slide closes fully in the carb. Slowly twist the throttle while checking the slide.
If happy, fully tighten the pinch bolt and you're done.
If not, slide the pinch bolt one way or another and check again.

The outer will need to be replaced if it was trimmed too short to stay snugged up at both ends.
If the cable doesn't slide smoothly, check the trimmed end for a crimped inner sleeve. It can be opened with a nail or that size drill bit.
All I got for now.


Pocket for outer's end cap here

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Wed Oct 13, 2021 6:08 pm linkquote
Ray8 wrote:
Wait a minute. You can't pad your cable screw-up resume here with your Vino fails.
Come on, I gotta be the worst at something, don't take that away from me!
Wed Oct 13, 2021 6:10 pm

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Wed Oct 13, 2021 6:10 pm linkquote
chandlerman wrote:
It'll work just fine, assuming that it's the same diameter.
Didn't find a bicycle shift cable but I did find housing for it and the throttle fit perfectly so the idea will def work. Much easier to get them too as there's 2 bike shops within 5 blocks of me.
Thu Oct 14, 2021 12:55 pm

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Thu Oct 14, 2021 12:55 pm linkquote
Things I learnt today.

Trickle chargers do not work for electrolysis. Put my tank in yesterday after noon. Went out and checked just now. Nothing. Removed the cables and attached car jumper cables to the 12v battery I have in my Vino. Instant bubbling and rust flakes coming out of the tank. Success!

So for future homies or homettes, don't use a trickle charger!
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Thu Oct 14, 2021 1:10 pm linkquote
You can throw the charger onto the battery while it runs, though.

I put a charger on the battery when I did electrolysis on my tank and it worked great that way.
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Thu Oct 14, 2021 1:31 pm linkquote
I'll keep that in mind. I don't currently have alligator clips small enough to latch on to the jumper cables. They are monstrously large and take up all of the prongs on the battery.

If the battery dies before it's finished I'll grab some from the hardware store tomorrow
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Thu Oct 14, 2021 1:35 pm linkquote
I had a spare 100AH LiFePO4 battery for my boat sitting around, so even if I hadn't had the charger, it would have done just fine.
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Thu Oct 14, 2021 5:10 pm linkquote
The smaller clips from the trickle charger just barely fit on to the jumper cables. Got them hooked up and we're sucking rust off the tank and onto the rebar!



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Thu Oct 14, 2021 5:12 pm linkquote
Yes!
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Thu Oct 14, 2021 5:14 pm linkquote
I feel kind of like a mad scientist. So I guess that makes me officially a Vespa owner huh?
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Mon Oct 18, 2021 5:14 pm linkquote
Update time. Got the battery hooked up to test the lightings.

High and low beam work. Very dim but there's juice there.
Pilot light doesn't work.
Horn works, well made a noise at least, didn't sound like the typical Vespa buzzer which I assume is due to the horn being AC and I'm using DC to test the circuits.
Tail light (bottom of the GS style light) works.
Brake light does not work.

SIP speedo doesn't have power.

Here's some pics:


Bottom works. Top light does not.


Lights only work with the ON/OFF jammer in the off position. Lol. Of course. No juice in the center or left side of the switch.


Red from Koso and Brown from Speedo to the output of the VAPE


Brown from KOSO and Red from speedo connect to each other.


Black from KOSO to Black from speedo.


Other Black from KOSO to the frame. Sanded to bare metal and used tooth washer. Have ground continuity on both grounds.

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Mon Oct 18, 2021 5:57 pm linkquote
Quote:
Pilot light doesn't work.
Quote:
Lights only work with the ON/OFF jammer in the off position. Lol. Of course. No juice in the center or left side of the switch.
Maybe the same issue since the pilot light is on that switch. When in one position both lights work. In the 2nd position only pilot light works. In the 3rd position no lights work. Not sure what positions of that toggle switch is which but check that area.
Quote:
Brake light does not work.
Quote:
Bottom works. Top light does not
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Should the top yellow light be the rear light? Isn't the brake light the bottom light and when you hit the brakes the light turns red? Not sure about that type of brake light. Make sure you have power from the brake switch to the brake wire,
Quote:
SIP speedo doesn't have power.
The KOSA is looking for AC power to convert to DC power for the speedo. Not sure if it will work with DC power.
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Tue Oct 19, 2021 6:14 am linkquote
rowdyc wrote:
Maybe the same issue since the pilot light is on that switch. When in one position both lights work. In the 2nd position only pilot light works. In the 3rd position no lights work. Not sure what positions of that toggle switch is which but check that area.

*should* be that to the right is OFF, middle has the pilot and tail light, and left is all on. Not sure what is going on there. Guess I'll move some wires around and see what happens.

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Should the top yellow light be the rear light? Isn't the brake light the bottom light and when you hit the brakes the light turns red? Not sure about that type of brake light. Make sure you have power from the brake switch to the brake wire,

According to the wiring diagram yellow wire is up top and red goes to the bottom... The tail light should be the bottom since it has the license plate clear spot in the plastic to illuminate the plate. I do have a red plastic piece for the top though so I could switch that. But still the top is the brake light, supposedly.

The KOSA is looking for AC power to convert to DC power for the speedo. Not sure if it will work with DC power.

This makes sense kinda. I guess I don't understand why it'd need AC, I mean power is power no? Then again as proven here, I don't know crap about this subject!
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Thu Oct 21, 2021 5:51 pm linkquote
Checking back in on the electric tonight.

Top light in the tail light still doesn't work. Have continuity. Could it be a bad brake switch?
Yellow wire on the bottom of the tail light has continuity with the Brown wire in the headlight, Which also has continuity with the Blue, Yellow, Brown and White wires in the switch. Not sure what's going on.

During the test I lost my low beam(or at least I think it's the low beam). Still only have power with the switch to the right and have nothing in either two positions, middle or left.

Yellow in the headlight also has the same continuity as the Brown. Beeps with the yellow, blue, brown and white wires at the switch.

Purple only beeps at both purple attachments.
Any insight would be greatly appreciated!


Here's the switch and headlight set ups again for reference:


The Switch.


Headlight. Duh. I moved the ground from the top left to bottom right to see if that solved the continuity issues. It did not.

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Thu Oct 21, 2021 5:56 pm linkquote
Have you confirmed the brake light bulb works?

Assuming it's not something as simple as a burnt out bulb, pull the bulb out and start trying to isolate the fault. Start at the headset and confirm both continuity to the switch as well as no fault to ground. Check each step of the way, including both terminals of the switch, both with it open and closed. You'll find the fault.
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Thu Oct 21, 2021 6:58 pm linkquote
At the switch, try changing the position of the yellow wire to the No. 4 hole.
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Fri Oct 22, 2021 4:43 am linkquote
chandlerman wrote:
Have you confirmed the brake light bulb works?

Assuming it's not something as simple as a burnt out bulb, pull the bulb out and start trying to isolate the fault. Start at the headset and confirm both continuity to the switch as well as no fault to ground. Check each step of the way, including both terminals of the switch, both with it open and closed. You'll find the fault.
Yeah I swapped the rear lights around to double check. Also replaced the pilot bulb. When I did the pilot bulb replacement that's when I lost the low beam for some reason. I'll try to isolate the fault tonight.
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Fri Oct 22, 2021 5:44 am linkquote
I have not had good luck with sourcing re-pop headlight bulb holders. They don't fit and/or have terrible electrical contacts. Both the low and high beams failed on my GL yesterday when I was running over to the grocery store, so I'll be sorting that out at some point today.

I've ordered them from pretty much all the reputable scooter sites and they all seem to wind up being re-sold cheap Indian re-pops with tin-foil thin copper and poor fitment. Meh.
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Fri Oct 22, 2021 8:56 am linkquote
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At the switch, try changing the position of the yellow wire to the No. 4 hole.
Did that. Nothing at all worked. No low beam no high beam no running tail light no brake light, zero zilch nada
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I have not had good luck with sourcing re-pop headlight bulb holders. They don't fit and/or have terrible electrical contacts. Both the low and high beams failed on my GL yesterday when I was running over to the grocery store, so I'll be sorting that out at some point today.

I've ordered them from pretty much all the reputable scooter sites and they all seem to wind up being re-sold cheap Indian re-pops with tin-foil thin copper and poor fitment. Meh.
Yeah I thought about swapping the old bulb holder in but that takes a different sized bulb from what this one has.

Gonna try to suss out the gremlins this weekend. Doubt I'll get to it tonight since my son has a hockey game at the asscrack of dawn tomorrow.
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Fri Oct 22, 2021 10:14 am linkquote
Do you have a good pic of what you are looking for? I have a few oldies that might still work or can be repaired.
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Have you confirmed the brake light bulb works?

Assuming it's not something as simple as a burnt out bulb, pull the bulb out and start trying to isolate the fault. Start at the headset and confirm both continuity to the switch as well as no fault to ground. Check each step of the way, including both terminals of the switch, both with it open and closed. You'll find the fault.
Yellow and purple both have continuity with ground in the bulb holder. Brown does not. They do not have continuity at the ground on the bars (have the wiring harness ground where the throttle tube screws into the stem).

Blue at the switch has continuity with ground at the bulb holder and all other grounds on the bike (tail light housing, Vape ground, Koso ground, handlebar ground, bulb holder ground and CDI grounds).

I think I may have a blue issue eh? What's the next step? Would the blue wire issue make the brake light not work? They are red and blue in there. Maybe the switch isn't grounded?

Kinda surprised and maybe the bulb holder is not grounded right since the wires on the ground side all have continuity but the brown on the other side doesn't?
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