Fri Nov 04, 2022 1:45 pm

The Dude
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Fri Nov 04, 2022 1:45 pm linkquote
This Allstate looks so awesome. I have no doubt you'll get the little gremlins worked out. Great work!!!
Fri Nov 04, 2022 2:54 pm

Lucky
76 Sprint V, 63 GL, 62 VBB, 05 Stella, 66 Smallstate, 08 Stella (for now)
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Lucky
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Fri Nov 04, 2022 2:54 pm linkquote
I always wish I was closer to all of y'all with electrical problems because I know I could sort them out in no time if I was there.
Sat Nov 05, 2022 4:35 pm

Molto Verboso
1958 Allstate 177VMC, 2005 70cc Yamaha Vino
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Sat Nov 05, 2022 4:35 pm linkquote
GeekLion wrote:
This Allstate looks so awesome. I have no doubt you'll get the little gremlins worked out. Great work!!!
Thank you! One day I'll love it. Still mad at it right now. I know one day it'll be good to go and I'll forget all the troubles I had getting it going.
chandlerman wrote:
I always wish I was closer to all of y'all with electrical problems because I know I could sort them out in no time if I was there.
I investigated today. I removed the SIP speedo and all its wires. Took out the Koso AC/DC converter as well. Figured I'd eliminate all the excess crap since it's just causing problems.
Replaced the tail light bulb and kicked her over. Tail and brake lights both work, head light still doesn't work. Horn is kosher too. Found maybe an issue but not sure. See the pic below. But also does the VAPE regulator need to be grounded? I mean the actual housing of the VAPE. I currently have it Velcro'd to the frame. Does it need to be screwed to the frame to ground it? Could that be the issue?


The yellow connection looks fried? And I wasn't getting any volts there, I forgot to check after I pulled the SIP stuff out.

Sat Nov 05, 2022 4:40 pm

Hooked
'58 VBA '79CT90
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Sat Nov 05, 2022 4:40 pm linkquote
Yes it needs grounding. I've got mine bolted to the inside using a left cowl bolt. Using a BGM conversion harness let me bolt a ground wire there as well. That harness is nice with separate ground wires where you need them.





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Sat Nov 05, 2022 4:50 pm

Ossessionato
79 P200E (Ruby), 62 Allstate (B-62), 2008 Stella (Olive)
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Sat Nov 05, 2022 4:50 pm linkquote
I drilled and soldered a wire to my vape regulator, then ran the wire to ground. That'll get your headlight to work. I'm betting anyway...

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Sat Nov 05, 2022 4:54 pm

Molto Verboso
1958 Allstate 177VMC, 2005 70cc Yamaha Vino
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Sat Nov 05, 2022 4:54 pm linkquote
Grumpnut wrote:
Yes it needs grounding
Makes sense. Thanks for the confirmation!
I'll ground that tomorrow.
Sun Nov 06, 2022 3:31 pm

Molto Verboso
1958 Allstate 177VMC, 2005 70cc Yamaha Vino
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Molto Verboso
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Sun Nov 06, 2022 3:31 pm linkquote
Went to town on Bear today. Literally. Got the lights sorted. Still only work on the off position on the switch but I can live with that I suppose for now. Took her out to see how she felt. Pretty squirrely, came back home and added some torque to the front wheel hub. Was at 45ft lbs. bumped it up to 53. Little better.

Just out cruising for 13 miles and got home and took a look at the GPS speed….


Good lord 70 on tubed 8" wheels will put hair on your chest

Sun Nov 06, 2022 5:04 pm

Molto Verboso
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Sun Nov 06, 2022 5:04 pm linkquote
FridayMatinee wrote:
Went to town on Bear today. Literally. Got the lights sorted. Still only work on the off position on the switch but I can live with that I suppose for now. Took her out to see how she felt. Pretty squirrely, came back home and added some torque to the front wheel hub. Was at 45ft lbs. bumped it up to 53. Little better.

Just out cruising for 13 miles and got home and took a look at the GPS speed….
what did you think about the gearing?
Sun Nov 06, 2022 5:09 pm

Molto Verboso
1958 Allstate 177VMC, 2005 70cc Yamaha Vino
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Sun Nov 06, 2022 5:09 pm linkquote
GickSpeed wrote:
what did you think about the gearing?
4th struggles a bit in the lower rpm's. I think your thought about having a lower gear for 4th is spot on.
Mon Nov 07, 2022 9:38 am

Molto Verboso
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Mon Nov 07, 2022 9:38 am linkquote
FridayMatinee wrote:
4th struggles a bit in the lower rpm's. I think your thought about having a lower gear for 4th is spot on.
short 4th or go down 1 on the clutch as you already know.
Mon Nov 07, 2022 3:33 pm

Molto Verboso
1958 Allstate 177VMC, 2005 70cc Yamaha Vino
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Molto Verboso
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Mon Nov 07, 2022 3:33 pm linkquote
Took Bear out today on a trip to drop snacks off to my daughter at school. She goes to an outdoor school so I took advantage of the weather being absurd still (81° today) and rode the scoot.

Up to 1/4 throttle is still very choppy. I turned the mix screw in 1/4 turn and it was a little better so I did another 1/4 turn but that was too lean as the revs took a while to drop so tried going richer and that's even worse than going leaner.

Also when I shut off the engine with the kill switch during the drop off when I came back to leave it wouldn't kick over. Sat there for about 20mins and tried again and it struggled but I got it to run. That's more of a rich issue no?

And finally when I got home I noticed the lights were out again, no clue for how long. Glad I didn't get rear ended! Anywho I re did the vape hookup. Sanded a larger area to bare metal then put the wiring harness ground on top of the VAPE housing then tightened the screw that way to get a good ground. Worked great.
But still having issues after that. Hmmm why does the inside of the headset (no speedo so I got a good view) look like a thunderstorm? Turns out I found the actual number one issue with the electrics! The post on the light that holds the yellow wires was touching the arm of the headset clamp, causing a short. That explains the burnt looking post! So I took the headset top off and disassembled the clamp and ran two pieces of shrink tubing over the part that was fouling then put electrical tape over the post and reassembled. Good to go now.

So I think I can now get the SIP speedo to work properly so I'm going to give that thing one more try. Fingers crossed. I'll do that over the winter when I send my Allstate fork off to get the bracket welded on for the Vespa fork conversion.


I love the trip to her school.

Mon Nov 07, 2022 10:22 pm

Jet Eye Master
PX221 MHR, O tuned PX200, PX181 Quattrini and some motorbikes
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Jet Eye Master
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Mon Nov 07, 2022 10:22 pm linkquote
FridayMatinee wrote:
Up to 1/4 throttle is still very choppy. I turned the mix screw in 1/4 turn and it was a little better so I did another 1/4 turn but that was too lean as the revs took a while to drop so tried going richer and that's even worse than going leaner.

Also when I shut off the engine with the kill switch during the drop off when I came back to leave it wouldn't kick over. Sat there for about 20mins and tried again and it struggled but I got it to run. That's more of a rich issue no?
What's the full engine spec? And entire carb set up? Time to get this going as good as it looks.
Tue Nov 08, 2022 8:01 am

Molto Verboso
1958 Allstate 177VMC, 2005 70cc Yamaha Vino
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Tue Nov 08, 2022 8:01 am linkquote
Jack221 wrote:
What's the full engine spec? And entire carb set up? Time to get this going as good as it looks.
PX150E with a VMC177 Stelvio top end
Cases port matched and matched the carb opening too.
Pinasco 24.24er carb
Drilled filter
160/BE3/130
Idle is 55/160

Once I get past 1/4 throttle it's like a rocket ship. Just very choppy below 1/4.
Tue Nov 08, 2022 8:53 am

Jet Eye Master
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Tue Nov 08, 2022 8:53 am linkquote
Rotary inlet, stock inlet duration, stock 57mm crank?
Fast flow tap, 8mm fuel hose?
Which exhaust?

Is always the first 1/4 that's the issue. And usually when the first 1/4 splutters, the entire jetting needs redoing.
You have a good supply of jets and atomisers?
Tue Nov 08, 2022 9:38 am

Molto Verboso
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Tue Nov 08, 2022 9:38 am linkquote
If you want to go baby steps:

Try a 128 mj and take it out to play with the mixture screw again.
Tue Nov 08, 2022 10:15 am

Veni, Vidi, Posti
'15 GTS300, '86 PX125EFL, '66 VBB, '04 Ninja 250
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Tue Nov 08, 2022 10:15 am linkquote
what gearing is in there?
Tue Nov 08, 2022 1:02 pm

Molto Verboso
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Tue Nov 08, 2022 1:02 pm linkquote
sdjohn wrote:
what gearing is in there?
25/63 with the stock px150 gears
Tue Nov 08, 2022 1:05 pm

Molto Verboso
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Tue Nov 08, 2022 1:05 pm linkquote
Jack221 wrote:
Rotary inlet, stock inlet duration, stock 57mm crank?
Fast flow tap, 8mm fuel hose?
Which exhaust?

Is always the first 1/4 that's the issue. And usually when the first 1/4 splutters, the entire jetting needs redoing.
You have a good supply of jets and atomisers?
Rotary yes
I think mr Gick opened up the stock inlet
57 mm BGM touring crank
Sip fast flow 2.0
8mm hose
Polini box exhaust

I do have jets and atomizers, not a full set though.
Tue Nov 22, 2022 9:51 am

Molto Verboso
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Tue Nov 22, 2022 9:51 am linkquote
Since winter has set in already the jetting stuff will wait till it's a little warmer out.

I've removed the fork so I can take care of swapping parts over to the Allstate fork and get the bracket welded on. Plan is currently to grind the bracket off the one fork and move it over since I can't find a bracket any where. We shall see. Still got till next week when I meet up with the welder.

Also have been trying to stick with the damn sip speedo, still not having any luck. Not sure if I maybe blew up the Koso converter? Is that even possible? How would I test that? I have lights, and horn. Just nothing happening at the speedo. The Koso housing isn't grounded, I have the black wire from the unit grounded to the frame but the unit itself is velcro'd to the frame. I figured that was fine since the part of it that would attach it to the frame is plastic so I assumed that wasn't grounding anything anyways. Was that a mistake?

Here's how those wires are hooked up:
Brown from Koso connected to Red from the speedo black box
Red from the Koso connected to a Blue wire from the Vape regulator
Black (1) from the Koso grounded to the frame
Black (2) from the Koso connected to Black from the speedo black box
Brown from the speedo connected to another one of the Blue wires from the regulator

I did have the Red Koso wire hooked up to the Blue regulator wire AND the Brown from the speedo black box. No power like that so I switched it to separate the Red and Brown to have their own Blue. No power still.

Also didn't have good ground the first time a blew lights left and right. Could that have damaged the KOSO?


Here's a pic of the wiring. This is the first way I tried it with the brown and red wires connecting to one blue wire from the regulator. I've since removed that and gave red and brown their own blue wire

Tue Nov 22, 2022 10:09 am

Ossessionato
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Tue Nov 22, 2022 10:09 am linkquote
I found the shock bracket. https://www.ebay.com/itm/334067281058
Thu Nov 24, 2022 12:13 am

The Dude
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Thu Nov 24, 2022 12:13 am linkquote
straight up MEAN LOOKIN



Thu Nov 24, 2022 6:53 am

Hooked
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Thu Nov 24, 2022 11:58 am

The Dude
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Fri Nov 25, 2022 6:08 pm

Molto Verboso
1958 Allstate 177VMC, 2005 70cc Yamaha Vino
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Fri Nov 25, 2022 6:08 pm linkquote
r_fostoria did me a solid and sent me the sellers number
Thanks sir!

On the speedo front I ordered a new Koso converter. I hope I fried that when I had it hooked up to the unregulated power. So I'll replace that and hope to all that is holy that that was the problem. Should be here Monday so I should know on Wednesday. Fingers crossed.
Fri Nov 25, 2022 6:43 pm

Lucky
76 Sprint V, 63 GL, 62 VBB, 05 Stella, 66 Smallstate, 08 Stella (for now)
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Lucky
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Fri Nov 25, 2022 6:43 pm linkquote
In my past experience, Koso products seem to be relatively susceptible to voltage spike damage, so it could very well be that.

The Koso converter I'm using on my Smallie now works, but seems to read about 1,000 RPM's low at speed. I need to try playing with the adjustment on it and see if that makes a difference, or if my cheap-o Amazon tach just isn't that accurate.
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