Thu Jun 10, 2021 2:44 pm

Hooked
1959 Allstate w P125x Engine
Joined: 29 Nov 2020
Posts: 131
Location: Los Angeles
 
Hooked
1959 Allstate w P125x Engine
Joined: 29 Nov 2020
Posts: 131
Location: Los Angeles
Thu Jun 10, 2021 2:44 pm linkquote
FridayMatinee wrote:
The green CDI wire grounds on the screw that holds whatever that block of metal (which is where the sparks came from) is called, on. The brown is attached to a different screw on that same bracket.
That's why it's sparking, IMO.
Thu Jun 10, 2021 2:51 pm

Hooked
1959 Allstate w P125x Engine
Joined: 29 Nov 2020
Posts: 131
Location: Los Angeles
 
Hooked
1959 Allstate w P125x Engine
Joined: 29 Nov 2020
Posts: 131
Location: Los Angeles
Thu Jun 10, 2021 2:51 pm linkquote
FridayMatinee wrote:
And I have one more Iím sure redundant question about the headlight.

My head light socket is different from the wiring diagram. Iíve got the 4 wire to the light but 5 anchor points on the socket.

Iím assuming the ground goes top left since that just grounds to the socket housing.
Now do I split the yellow wires for the main bulb and then the purple and brown ones go to the pilot?
For sure the lavender and brown go to the main bulb contacts. In my case it doesn't matter either or. Black to M (ground).

I don't have a pilot, but best guess both yellows go there.
Thu Jun 10, 2021 8:56 pm

Molto Verboso
Joined: 03 Nov 2011
Posts: 1251
Location: Racing Capital of the World
 
Molto Verboso
Joined: 03 Nov 2011
Posts: 1251
Location: Racing Capital of the World
Thu Jun 10, 2021 8:56 pm linkquote
Ray8 wrote:
That's why it's sparking, IMO.
As long as there is no corrosion, the metal screw and solid rivet that attach to the bracket of the CDI are what provides continuity from the brown grounding wire through the plate to the green wire of the CDI. Does not require to be attached in conjunction; does require a path.
Fri Jun 11, 2021 6:44 pm

Hooked
1959 Allstate w P125x Engine
Joined: 29 Nov 2020
Posts: 131
Location: Los Angeles
 
Hooked
1959 Allstate w P125x Engine
Joined: 29 Nov 2020
Posts: 131
Location: Los Angeles
Fri Jun 11, 2021 6:44 pm linkquote
GickSpeed wrote:
As long as there is no corrosion, the metal screw and solid rivet that attach to the bracket of the CDI are what provides continuity from the brown grounding wire through the plate to the green wire of the CDI. Does not require to be attached in conjunction; does require a path.
The issue IMO isn't that the brown and green wires are connected together or not. The issue is they both require solid connection to the engine.
Both of those wires need a 100%+ connection to ground. That green wire looks like a path of least resistance invitation to the coil, since at most there is only a pathway to the engine via the two nuts that hold the bracket to the case. From the picture, the bolts look insulated from the engine by the rubber washers.
I could be very wrong. A simple test would be to connect a multimeter probe to the green wire where it's contacted to now, and the other to a flywheel cover screw to check for continuity. Then shake the CDI and see if there is any change.
Sat Jun 12, 2021 6:36 am

Molto Verboso
2007 Stella 225
Joined: 02 Nov 2019
Posts: 1744
Location: Rochester, Minnesota
 
Molto Verboso
2007 Stella 225
Joined: 02 Nov 2019
Posts: 1744
Location: Rochester, Minnesota
Sat Jun 12, 2021 6:36 am linkquote
Ray8 wrote:
The issue IMO isn't that the brown and green wires are connected together or not. The issue is they both require solid connection to the engine.
Both of those wires need a 100%+ connection to ground. That green wire looks like a path of least resistance invitation to the coil, since at most there is only a pathway to the engine via the two nuts that hold the bracket to the case. From the picture, the bolts look insulated from the engine by the rubber washers.
I could be very wrong. A simple test would be to connect a multimeter probe to the green wire where it's contacted to now, and the other to a flywheel cover screw to check for continuity. Then shake the CDI and see if there is any change.
When I was having issues on a GS750 Suzuki, I learned a valuable lesson. Using a multimeter has limitations for continuity testing. One is a standard digital multimeter has next to no current flow. A few strands of unbroken wire in a multi strand wire will read 1 ohm or less on a meter. When you try and push 4 or 5 amps through the wire, resistance goes way up and causes issues, or in my case the 4 or 5 wiring harness connections. I had been fighting a charging issues for over a year, low voltage and had ruined two batteries. One day out of frustration, I ran another ground wire and three new stator wires in parrallel directly to the regulator. I literally used a 14 gauge orange extension cord for the stator wires. My charge voltage increased by over 2 volts and I had no more issues after that. Lesson learned you may have continuity but the connection may not be good under real world use.
Mon Jun 14, 2021 5:52 pm

Hooked
1958 Allstate Super Cruisaire 2005 70cc Yamaha Vino
Joined: 23 Aug 2020
Posts: 364
Location: Philadelphia
 
Hooked
1958 Allstate Super Cruisaire 2005 70cc Yamaha Vino
Joined: 23 Aug 2020
Posts: 364
Location: Philadelphia
Mon Jun 14, 2021 5:52 pm linkquote
Got back at it today.

Sorted the racing engine and kicked it over. It sputtered for about 5 seconds then died.

Not getting any gas flow. Cleaned the brand new SIP fuel tap and still nothing. Iím stumped. Had plenty of gas flowing when the engine was racing on the first attempt to kick it over a few days ago but now nothing will come out of the tank. No kinks in the line (24Ē long). Brand new tap. Shitty old tank. Thereís some gas in the line, but none going into the carb. Any one got any idears?

That 5 seconds of it running was GLORIOUS though.

Oh also no sparks at the CDI. But I did have the kill switch wire disconnected. Was trying to see what happens if I touch the wire to the headset to see if that cut the power. Never got the chance to try though.
Mon Jun 14, 2021 6:25 pm

bodgemaster
63 GL, 76 Super (x 2), 74 Primavera (x 2), 06 Fly 150
Joined: 26 Sep 2013
Posts: 5920
Location: So Cal
 
bodgemaster
63 GL, 76 Super (x 2), 74 Primavera (x 2), 06 Fly 150
Joined: 26 Sep 2013
Posts: 5920
Location: So Cal
Mon Jun 14, 2021 6:25 pm linkquote
Bet you a dollar the hose is kinked or isnít routed right.
Lift the tank up a few inches and see if you get gas to flow.
Mon Jun 14, 2021 6:55 pm

Hooked
1958 Allstate Super Cruisaire 2005 70cc Yamaha Vino
Joined: 23 Aug 2020
Posts: 364
Location: Philadelphia
 
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1958 Allstate Super Cruisaire 2005 70cc Yamaha Vino
Joined: 23 Aug 2020
Posts: 364
Location: Philadelphia
Mon Jun 14, 2021 6:55 pm linkquote
I did check that and still nothing. Even pulled the tank all the way up and sat it across the cavity to see. Nothin.

I'll check the vent in the cap tomorrow morning and make sure that's clear.
Mon Jun 14, 2021 8:45 pm

bodgemaster
63 GL, 76 Super (x 2), 74 Primavera (x 2), 06 Fly 150
Joined: 26 Sep 2013
Posts: 5920
Location: So Cal
 
bodgemaster
63 GL, 76 Super (x 2), 74 Primavera (x 2), 06 Fly 150
Joined: 26 Sep 2013
Posts: 5920
Location: So Cal
Mon Jun 14, 2021 8:45 pm linkquote
You could also just open the cap. But I doubt thatís the issue.

Unless youíve got a ton of crud in your tank thereís only a couple of reasons why gas wouldnít be flowing. Pull the tank out and take the hose off. Turn the tap on. If no gas comes out, you have a bad tap or bad tap seal. If gas flows out, the hose was kinked, routed wrong or clogged.
Tue Jun 15, 2021 2:24 am

Molto Verboso
2007 Stella 225
Joined: 02 Nov 2019
Posts: 1744
Location: Rochester, Minnesota
 
Molto Verboso
2007 Stella 225
Joined: 02 Nov 2019
Posts: 1744
Location: Rochester, Minnesota
Tue Jun 15, 2021 2:24 am linkquote
If you have an air compressor, try taking the hose off at the carburetor and blowing low pressure through it. My old Allstate was so plugged I had to clean the fuel tap out to get fuel flow.
Tue Jun 15, 2021 6:37 am

Hooked
1958 Allstate Super Cruisaire 2005 70cc Yamaha Vino
Joined: 23 Aug 2020
Posts: 364
Location: Philadelphia
 
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1958 Allstate Super Cruisaire 2005 70cc Yamaha Vino
Joined: 23 Aug 2020
Posts: 364
Location: Philadelphia
Tue Jun 15, 2021 6:37 am linkquote
SoCalGuy wrote:
You could also just open the cap. But I doubt thatís the issue.

Unless youíve got a ton of crud in your tank thereís only a couple of reasons why gas wouldnít be flowing. Pull the tank out and take the hose off. Turn the tap on. If no gas comes out, you have a bad tap or bad tap seal. If gas flows out, the hose was kinked, routed wrong or clogged.
Did that this morning. 2 drips dripped out then nothing. Half full tank. Guess Iíll order another tap.
Weird thing is it worked fine when I first installed it. Turned the lever and watched the fuel line fill up. Kicked it over and engine went to plaid. It was getting gas then. I dunno.
Tue Jun 15, 2021 6:48 am

Ossessionato
VSX, Stella 177, VNX1T, V9B1T
Joined: 20 Jul 2018
Posts: 3177
Location: Staten Island, NY
 
Ossessionato
VSX, Stella 177, VNX1T, V9B1T
Joined: 20 Jul 2018
Posts: 3177
Location: Staten Island, NY
Tue Jun 15, 2021 6:48 am linkquote
FridayMatinee wrote:
Did that this morning. 2 drips dripped out then nothing. Half full tank. Guess Iíll order another tap.
Weird thing is it worked fine when I first installed it. Turned the lever and watched the fuel line fill up. Kicked it over and engine went to plaid. It was getting gas then. I dunno.
Did you take the tap apart? If so did you make sure it was re-assembled correctly?

Take it apart and make sure nothing blocking it before you go buying a new one
Tue Jun 15, 2021 6:51 am

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GS-150 VS4
Joined: 04 Feb 2020
Posts: 141
Location: Vallejo, CA
 
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GS-150 VS4
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Posts: 141
Location: Vallejo, CA
Tue Jun 15, 2021 6:51 am linkquote
maybe you could take out the tap and flush it, and check for flow.
Tue Jun 15, 2021 8:54 am

Hooked
1958 Allstate Super Cruisaire 2005 70cc Yamaha Vino
Joined: 23 Aug 2020
Posts: 364
Location: Philadelphia
 
Hooked
1958 Allstate Super Cruisaire 2005 70cc Yamaha Vino
Joined: 23 Aug 2020
Posts: 364
Location: Philadelphia
Tue Jun 15, 2021 8:54 am linkquote
swiss1939 wrote:
Did you take the tap apart? If so did you make sure it was re-assembled correctly?

Take it apart and make sure nothing blocking it before you go buying a new one
I did. When I get back home Iíll double check and make sure itís correct. On my way to the Catskittles (as my son called it) till Sunday.
Tue Jun 15, 2021 9:32 am

Ossessionato
VSX, Stella 177, VNX1T, V9B1T
Joined: 20 Jul 2018
Posts: 3177
Location: Staten Island, NY
 
Ossessionato
VSX, Stella 177, VNX1T, V9B1T
Joined: 20 Jul 2018
Posts: 3177
Location: Staten Island, NY
Tue Jun 15, 2021 9:32 am linkquote
Ha! Enjoy the catskittles!
Tue Jun 15, 2021 12:29 pm

Addicted
'66 Super 150
Joined: 11 Jul 2017
Posts: 789
Location: MN
 
Addicted
'66 Super 150
Joined: 11 Jul 2017
Posts: 789
Location: MN
Tue Jun 15, 2021 12:29 pm linkquote
Catskittles

Cute kid. Youíll never call it Catskills again, will ya?

Have fun!
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