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1980 P200E
Joined: 02 Sep 2020
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Location: Texas
Sat Oct 24, 2020 8:21 pm quote
Joined a month or so back so fairly new here, new to Vespa's but experienced wrencher. I picked up a 1980 P200E that appeared to be in fairly good condition for my next project. As a retiree, I enjoy bringing old stuff back to life, playing with them for awhile then selling them on. I have owned, refurbed and sold over 50 vehicles in my life and completed 1 full restoration on another air cooled vehicle, my 1962 Chevy Corvair.

So the P200 was running when I got it but just barely and was covered in dirt and oil from years of happy motoring. I found compression to be good at 120 PSI so decided a reseal and refurb was in order. The scooter had been painted in the past so no worries about keeping it original. I went through and replaced or repaired anything that wasn't functioning, rewired the stator, replaced the green wire and did some touch up paint here and there.

I pretty much have everything I need to put this scooter back to mostly original condition with two exceptions. My original owners manual was severely water damaged and I am missing the front fender reflectors. If anyone has either of these items in decent shape for sale, I'd love to hear from you.

Thanks to all of the contributors and moderators for providing a wealth of information to make this an enjoyable experience.

I'm including a few pics for your viewing pleasure.


Cleaning


Engine done






My other air cooled toy

Hooked
'63 VBB2T - '76 Sprint V. - '86 PX200E (SOLD) - '18 300 GTS Super Notte
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Sat Oct 24, 2020 11:21 pm quote
Thatís a clean engine!

Good job!
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In garage: Yamaha Tricity 155 Urban 2019 - MV Agusta 125 RS 1956
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Sun Oct 25, 2020 1:17 am quote
Aircooled wrote:
Thanks to all of the contributors and moderators for providing a wealth of information to make this an enjoyable experience.

https://www.manualeduso.it/vespa/p200e/manuale
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1980 P200E
Joined: 02 Sep 2020
Posts: 37
Location: Texas
Sun Oct 25, 2020 5:24 am quote
DD_VES wrote:
Thatís a clean engine!

Good job!
Thanks. I've had a lot of free time lately. I probably spent an hour on the flywheel guard alone.
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1980 P200E
Joined: 02 Sep 2020
Posts: 37
Location: Texas
Sun Oct 25, 2020 5:37 am quote
Attila wrote:
Aircooled wrote:
Thanks to all of the contributors and moderators for providing a wealth of information to make this an enjoyable experience.

https://www.manualeduso.it/vespa/p200e/manuale
Thanks for the reply. I have the PDF version. I am looking for an original paper (booklet) version.
Ossessionato
79 P200E, 62 Allstate, 2008 Stella
Joined: 11 Jan 2006
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Location: Florence, OR
Sun Oct 25, 2020 9:02 am quote
Sweet! Thanks for the pics!
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PX
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Location: Switzerland
Sun Oct 25, 2020 9:37 am quote
Well Done, Keep up the great work!
Has it really only done 3500 Miles? Or maybe the speedo has been replaced?
Looks very tidy though....
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1980 P200E
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Posts: 37
Location: Texas
Sun Oct 25, 2020 9:50 am quote
A few more random pics.


Speedo Before


Speedo After


Before


After


All Done


Bead blasted and painted with high heat paint.

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1980 P200E
Joined: 02 Sep 2020
Posts: 37
Location: Texas
Sun Oct 25, 2020 10:02 am quote
Robbie 11 wrote:
Well Done, Keep up the great work!
Has it really only done 3500 Miles? Or maybe the speedo has been replaced?
Looks very tidy though....
That is a good question. There is a part of me that believes that the mileage could be correct based on the overall condition but I have nothing to back that up. The original owner lived in a 2 million dollar home in an area we call "the bubble", a city within the city limits of Dallas. I suspect he rode this to the country club on occasion or maybe to friends homes for tea and biscuits. Could have been for one of his kids to ride to school but definitely no long distance commuting.
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1980 P200E
Joined: 02 Sep 2020
Posts: 37
Location: Texas
Sun Oct 25, 2020 1:15 pm quote
Three more random pics. This was after I replaced the Stella tail light and removed the grip tape from the floorboards.







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Kymco Downtown 300i
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Location: Hillville, TN
Mon Oct 26, 2020 1:58 pm quote
Ooo! Ooo! Nice job! Times 2!
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1980 P200E
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Location: Texas
Mon Oct 26, 2020 2:30 pm quote
CROSSBOLT wrote:
Ooo! Ooo! Nice job! Times 2!
Thanks Crossbolt. I try to do the best I can.
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1980 P200E
Joined: 02 Sep 2020
Posts: 37
Location: Texas
Mon Oct 26, 2020 2:32 pm quote
qascooter wrote:
Sweet! Thanks for the pics!
Thanks gascooter for the complement and glad you enjoyed the pictures.
Molto Verboso
Lambretta GP200, Vespa P200e
Joined: 10 Jan 2015
Posts: 1183
Location: United States
Mon Oct 26, 2020 2:47 pm quote
good job. Need to freshen up the rims and your close. What up with the tail ight though?
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1980 P200E
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Posts: 37
Location: Texas
Mon Oct 26, 2020 3:04 pm quote
almogavar1969 wrote:
good job. Need to freshen up the rims and your close. What up with the tail ight though?
Yes, rims and floorboard rails are on the list. The tail light that was on it was from a Stella. The one on it now is supposed to be a Euro style purchased from Scooter Mercato. I was t go back with the tractor style but there are three sets of holes back there and the original assembly won't cover them up. More work than I want to deal with right now.

First pic is the Stella fixture. Second is the Euro fixture. It doesn't show well in the pictures but the Stella fixture didn't fit at all. It had less than 2 threads holding it to the fender.


Stella Fixture


Better fit to me.

Molto Verboso
Vespas 1964 GS160, 1965 SS180, 1977 V9A1T, 1983 PX150E
Joined: 16 Apr 2011
Posts: 1691
Location: Siam
Mon Oct 26, 2020 3:28 pm quote
The Euro taillight needs to go much higher up the frame. So much so that the license plate goes under it.
Molto Verboso
Vespas 1964 GS160, 1965 SS180, 1977 V9A1T, 1983 PX150E
Joined: 16 Apr 2011
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Location: Siam
Mon Oct 26, 2020 3:30 pm quote
Here is mine, which is stock original.[/img]



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1980 P200E
Joined: 02 Sep 2020
Posts: 37
Location: Texas
Mon Oct 26, 2020 6:42 pm quote
nomadinsiam wrote:
Here is mine, which is stock original.[/img]
Seeing your picture, I think I now understand what almogavar1969 was referring to when h asked about the tail light. Mine is mounted way too low. The original tail light for my scooter would have been the tractor light which mounts lower because it has a vertical riser. My replacement fixture is mounted way too low. I assume it was done that way to cover up the original mounting holes. The picture below is what mine would have been from the factory. Looks like I have more work to do.





Molto Verboso
Lambretta GP200, Vespa P200e
Joined: 10 Jan 2015
Posts: 1183
Location: United States
Mon Oct 26, 2020 8:23 pm quote
Sorry, im a stickler for the correct tail light on Vespas. Over the last 35 years every P or North American Vespa that comes into my hand I tear that tactor tail light abomination off and toss into the garbage to keep them out of the ecosystem. The tractor tail light just does not belong there. This is where your tail light should be. Unless you plan on mounting your license plate above or below scraping on the road. Might be interestin!! Here is where it belongs. It flows with the body lines as designed.[img[/img]





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1980 P200E
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Posts: 37
Location: Texas
Mon Oct 26, 2020 8:30 pm quote
almogavar1969 wrote:
Sorry, im a stickler for the correct tail light on Vespas. over the last 35 years every P or North American Vespa that comes into my hand I tear that abomination off and toss into the garbage to keep them out of the ecosystem. The tractor tail light just does not belong there. This is where your tail light should be. Unless you plan on mounting your license plate above or below scraping on the road. Might be interestin!! Here is where it belongs. [img[/img]
I am totally on board with that. I don't care for the tractor tail light either. The "more work" I mentioned will be to move the current fixture up where to where it belongs. Your picture will definitely help with the placement. Is there anywhere to take a measurement for the correct placement or is it just a best guess kind of thing?
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1979 Vespa P200E
Joined: 08 Feb 2010
Posts: 44
Location: San Jose, CA
Mon Oct 26, 2020 9:39 pm quote
Aircooled wrote:
almogavar1969 wrote:
Sorry, im a stickler for the correct tail light on Vespas. over the last 35 years every P or North American Vespa that comes into my hand I tear that abomination off and toss into the garbage to keep them out of the ecosystem. The tractor tail light just does not belong there. This is where your tail light should be. Unless you plan on mounting your license plate above or below scraping on the road. Might be interestin!! Here is where it belongs. [img[/img]
I am totally on board with that. I don't care for the tractor tail light either. The "more work" I mentioned will be to move the current fixture up where to where it belongs. Your picture will definitely help with the placement. Is there anywhere to take a measurement for the correct placement or is it just a best guess kind of thing?
Ive never been able to find factory measurements for mounting. Ive always done by eye and measuring. Its a pain. Basically eyeball where it should go. Look at the pics I posted to line up bottom of tail light right above. Tape it down and use blue tape to mark up location. Then do with just bulb older once youve figured out where it should be and use a punch or marker to mark your holes.
Ossessionato
1979 P150X, 1983 P200E, 1988 T5, 1995 PX200E, 2011 Yamaha Fazer 600 S2
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Location: Veria, Greece
Mon Oct 26, 2020 10:20 pm quote
Aircooled, you have bought the 2011 onwards EU PX tail light. Personally, I like it better than the older one and this is the one I have on my P. If you can wait, I can take some measurements from a PX frame I have in my garage and has the factory mounting holes...

This is how it should look...



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'64 Motovespa 150S (177) , '66 Allstate SF, '65 VBB, '66 180SS
Joined: 27 Mar 2013
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Location: S.Salem, NY
Tue Oct 27, 2020 3:34 am quote
almogavar1969, you might want to look into some new swing arm bushings.....



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1979 Vespa P200E
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Posts: 44
Location: San Jose, CA
Tue Oct 27, 2020 4:32 am quote
Moto64 wrote:
almogavar1969, you might want to look into some new swing arm bushings.....
I noticed that - good thing..... Not mine! misc. pic Waiting for recent PX200 acquisition before I post pics.
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1980 P200E
Joined: 02 Sep 2020
Posts: 37
Location: Texas
Tue Oct 27, 2020 6:36 am quote
SaFiS wrote:
Aircooled, you have bought the 2011 onwards EU PX tail light. Personally, I like it better than the older one and this is the one I have on my P. If you can wait, I can take some measurements from a PX frame I have in my garage and has the factory mounting holes...

This is how it should look...
That would be great if it's not too much trouble but don't go out of your way if it's a bunch of work to get to the frame. I won't be working on the scoot for a few days while I finish up a wood project for my son.

Thanks!
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Tue Oct 27, 2020 8:45 pm quote
Good eye! Nice scoot too. That P wiring looks pretty complicated.
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1980 P200E
Joined: 02 Sep 2020
Posts: 37
Location: Texas
Tue Oct 27, 2020 8:56 pm quote
nickton wrote:
Good eye! Nice scoot too. That P wiring looks pretty complicated.
Thanks nickton. The P wiring isnít too bad but then again, most of what I did was replace some bad connectors and put then back into a new wiring block. Thankfully everything but the green kill wire was working so I didnít have to chase any short circuits down.

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'66 Sears Cruisaire Smallframe
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Wed Oct 28, 2020 5:08 am quote
Wow, how'd you get the engine looking that good?
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1980 P200E
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Location: Texas
Wed Oct 28, 2020 6:34 am quote
r_fostoria wrote:
Wow, how'd you get the engine looking that good?
Mostly cleaning but specifically, I bead blasted the flywheel and flywheel guard, hammered out the bends in the guard and painted, replaced the rubber boots, 3d printed a new cover for the flywheel bolt, replaced the wiring jacket, painted the air box cover, replaced the shifter cover and polished the kick starter with a wire wheel. The cylinder cover was in good shape and just needed cleaning.

I very much enjoy detail work.

Here are a couple of pics of what I started with. Duct tape, cable ties, dirt and rust.





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1980 P200E
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Location: Texas
Thu Nov 26, 2020 10:03 pm quote
Updates to my P200E with Pictures
Since my introduction, following some of your recommendations and working on my "to do list", I have completed the following changes to my scoot. I replaced and moved the taillight to a more appropriate location, bead blasted and painted the rims and restored the floorboards to an original appearance. No obvious by the pictures, I also managed to restore the function of the right hand kill switch, repaired the broken high beam wire, restored the function of the neutral light and replaced the leaking fuel tap.

As of today, all systems now function as they did when new. Now if I can just find a set of fender reflectors, my "to do list" will be complete.









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1979 Vespa P200E
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Location: San Jose, CA
Thu Nov 26, 2020 11:00 pm quote
Looking real good!! Keep up the good work!
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1980 P200E
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Location: Texas
Fri Nov 27, 2020 6:49 am quote
almogavar69 wrote:
Looking real good!! Keep up the good work!
Thanks!
Molto Verboso
2007 Stella 225
Joined: 02 Nov 2019
Posts: 1678
Location: Rochester, Minnesota
Fri Nov 27, 2020 10:03 am quote
Looks good, was the fender crest painted over in place during the repaint? It should be chrome if you can remove it, without damaging paint, acetone might clean off the paint.
Ossessionato
79 P200E, 62 Allstate, 2008 Stella
Joined: 11 Jan 2006
Posts: 2096
Location: Florence, OR
Fri Nov 27, 2020 10:07 am quote
Nice! I've always been partial to white Vespas.
Veni, Vidi, Posti
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Fri Nov 27, 2020 11:05 am quote
almogavar1969 wrote:
Sorry, im a stickler for the correct tail light on Vespas. Over the last 35 years every P or North American Vespa that comes into my hand I tear that tactor tail light abomination off and toss into the garbage to keep them out of the ecosystem. The tractor tail light just does not belong there. This is where your tail light should be. Unless you plan on mounting your license plate above or below scraping on the road. Might be interestin!! Here is where it belongs. It flows with the body lines as designed.[img[/img]
Hey! But it is registered in Milan!

Hey! Ma Ť targata Milano! L'hai portata da casa?
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1978 P150X; 1982 P200e
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Posts: 483
Location: Toronto
Sat Nov 28, 2020 1:48 pm quote
Looks great! Well done!
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1980 P200E
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Posts: 37
Location: Texas
Sat Nov 28, 2020 4:41 pm quote
Velasquez wrote:
Looks great! Well done!
Thanks. It has been a pleasure to work on.
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