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Tue Mar 08, 2022 10:38 am linkquote
Based on diagram

Easy first: Igntion
Stator Red and Black to CDI.
Stator Blue to CDI and another wire to ground.
I don't think it matters which slot on the CDI but I put my ground on the outer slot.
Check for spark
Eventually the green wire from the frame will need to share the same slot on the CDI as the red and black wire. The kit should have a connector for two wires into one prong for this.

Lighting.
Stator Red and white to blue wire from frame. Run a continuity test on that frames blue wire to the blue wire plugs going to regulator. The correct blue wire plug s/b the one with the single wire. If you have continuity in that wire plug blue wire plug into regulator slot 4. The other blue wire plug should have two wires and should go into regulator slot 3. Ground wire to 2 slot and then to frame.

Tape up yellow wire from stator. On a pinasco it's for battery charging using a different regulator. Pinasco and Vespatronic are manufactured by the same group. Someone may correct me on that but looking at that diagram and my Pinasco diagram, this is my conclusion.

After the regulator use the other diagram of the complete harness to hook up the headset, brake, horn, and rear light wiring. Will need to run continuity test on some duplicate wires in the same area like the brake switch and the horn. Let us know when you get there as its just checking where the power is flowing.

Good luck!
Tue Mar 08, 2022 11:11 am

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Tue Mar 08, 2022 11:11 am linkquote
I think the red/white vs yellow are the other way round.

here's the stater diagram so far:



Tue Mar 08, 2022 11:54 am

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Tue Mar 08, 2022 11:54 am linkquote
Here's the rectifier diagram



Tue Mar 08, 2022 12:13 pm

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Tue Mar 08, 2022 12:13 pm linkquote
oopsclunkthud wrote:
I think the red/white vs yellow are the other way round.

here's the stater diagram so far:
Thanks for the catch! You're correct. Just looked at my junction box. Red/white is not used.

But since I went looking I think there is another correction regarding the regulator. On the diagram he has, it shows the yellow from the stator going to the wiring loom but also shows that yellow from the loom connected at the regulator both at slot 3 with other wires. It seems that slot 3 on the regulator is power in and power out. It's confusing because the diagram does not show an in and out at the regulator slot 3.
It also seems slot 4 is only used if a battery is connected and then the red/white wire is used along with the B slot with a wire to the battery. In general, only 2 regulator slots are used when not using a battery.

Does that seem correct Patrick?
I blew a regulator when things were hooked up wrong and this is the conclusion I came up with and have not blown a regulator since.....or yet.
Tue Mar 08, 2022 12:52 pm

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Tue Mar 08, 2022 12:52 pm linkquote
Vespatronic diagram is the worst, total mess for AC and DC...
On my Rally for DC I set the regulator up with:
3 empty
2 grounded
4 red/white from stator
B+ Battery

for AC my notes are:
3 yellow from stator
3 power to rest of scooter (regulator is just clipping the extra power)
2 ground
4 empty
B+ empty

I didn't burn the rectifier when I first setup my rally, but did get it completely wrong by trying to follow the Vespatronic diagram.
Tue Mar 08, 2022 1:55 pm

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Tue Mar 08, 2022 1:55 pm linkquote
You glorious bastards. Thank you. You are top humans and your time is greatly appreciated!
A slice of mattress ham will be saved for each of you (No, no I insist!), as well as an expired Applebee's gift card.

Seriously... Thanks. It's a long shot, but this, this gives me a punchers chance at the glory of ham.
(Don't lock that vault just yet Aaaa-ronnnn!!!)
Tue Mar 08, 2022 2:28 pm

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Tue Mar 08, 2022 2:28 pm linkquote
Birdsnest wrote:
...this gives me a punchers chance at the glory of ham.
(Don't lock that vault just yet Aaaa-ronnnn!!!)
it will start with just the stator hooked up.

what is the official definition of "done"
Tue Mar 08, 2022 2:33 pm

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Tue Mar 08, 2022 2:33 pm linkquote
OK, next up:

need a picture of the handle bar switch you are using. front and back
Tue Mar 08, 2022 3:19 pm

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Tue Mar 08, 2022 3:19 pm linkquote
you know what they say....



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Tue Mar 08, 2022 3:38 pm linkquote
*shrugs* they're not wrong.

OG 6v switch on hand…
(Will it work with 12v?)


Front


Backside

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Tue Mar 08, 2022 3:52 pm linkquote
fun fact: 12V is lower current than 6V at the same power (P=VI)

the horn button may be an issue (normally closed), but if it is there are ways to fix it.
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Wed Mar 09, 2022 11:09 am linkquote
horn button:

The power from the rectifier comes up the blue wire to the horn and continues up to one side of the horn button. The white wire from the horn goes to the other side of the horn button and also to the lights.

When the horn button is not pressed, it is closed connecting the white and blue wire together so there is no voltage drop and no quacking duck sounds.

When the horn button is pressed it disconnects the blue wire so the power for the lights has to pass through the horn and up the white wire, making it quack. but that power has to have a path to ground so at least some of the lights need to be on.

bottom line: for the horn to work with that switch some lights must be on.

I could wire it so the pilot and tail light are always on, and the switch enables the headlight.
Wed Mar 09, 2022 12:01 pm

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Wed Mar 09, 2022 12:01 pm linkquote
Modify your switch or better keep it and buy a new one for 12V...

https://www.sip-scootershop.com/en/product/light-switch-conversion_60092910





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Wed Mar 09, 2022 12:50 pm linkquote
the conversion switch with the OG cover would be the cleanest way to go.

I have modified the switch in the past, but once done it's hard to undo.
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Wed Mar 09, 2022 1:11 pm linkquote
oopsclunkthud wrote:
the conversion switch with the OG cover would be the cleanest way to go.
Exactly, OG cover on new switch. Quality wise, switch is good, cover Meh...

Jeff, you'll also need a different rear light switch (if you don't have it already). Needs to be "Normally Open" or have a "Shutter" function. Quality wise, not many options. Pascoli's supposedly is the best...

https://www.sip-scootershop.com/en/product/brake-light-switch-pascoli_18163700
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Wed Mar 09, 2022 3:58 pm linkquote
Again, thanks all for the 411. Gratzi.

Conversion switch is on order. I believe I have the correct brake switch from a previous parts order and on hand.
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Wed Mar 09, 2022 4:27 pm linkquote
ok, I think I got this right for the headset and the conversion switch.



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Wed Mar 09, 2022 4:43 pm linkquote
Fantastic.

Thanks man!
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Sun Mar 13, 2022 1:56 pm linkquote
This is a nice piece of tack to have done. The amount of brazing, dolly and hammer work we did on the tail was substantial …and then Victor the painter's finish work… *chefs kiss*

Leg shield trim is next.




Started about here after bondo removal and the initial braze and dolly & hammer session

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Sun Mar 13, 2022 3:20 pm linkquote
There's something immensely satisfying about installing the badging. I don't know what it is, but it just...is.

Looking amazing!
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Sun Mar 13, 2022 10:42 pm linkquote
yusss! looking good!
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Sun Mar 13, 2022 10:49 pm linkquote
Looks great! All the hard work is paying off
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Mon Mar 14, 2022 8:16 pm linkquote
Absolutely beautiful. Nothing like before and after pics to drive the point home

Keep going, I cant wait to see the finished product!!!
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Tue Mar 15, 2022 2:49 am linkquote
Ah, Vons. Reminds me of the old days visiting my grandparents in Palm Springs as a kid. Old vintage days bring back memories.
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Tue Mar 15, 2022 2:59 am linkquote
nomadinsiam wrote:
Ah, Vons. Reminds me of the old days visiting my grandparents in Palm Springs as a kid. Old vintage days bring back memories.
I woulda gone to Whole Foods but it was only 98% guaranteed, twice as much and a longer walk. besides, they don't have the cheap shitty vodka that's like a nickel a quart. outrageous.
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Tue Mar 15, 2022 3:42 am linkquote
greasy125 wrote:
I woulda gone to Whole Foods but it was only 98% guaranteed, twice as much and a longer walk. besides, they don't have the cheap shitty vodka that's like a nickel a quart. outrageous.
Food Hole is for like financial executives and "consultants", isn't it? That's how it was the last time I was in Babylon anyway.
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Tue Mar 15, 2022 5:10 am linkquote
The ham...

It will allude me. At this point I suspect I will not make the March 22nd finish line. *sighs* *shakes fist* *hopes for hamiracle*
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Tue Mar 15, 2022 5:45 am linkquote
Is the motor done?
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Tue Mar 15, 2022 6:27 am linkquote
It is.

...albeit I still need to do an airleak test.

Alas... I am a bit lame. (Herniated disc between c5-c6). Currently in a cervical collar which is slowing my sloth like pace down even farther.


blow up doll in a cervical collar?

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Tue Mar 15, 2022 6:36 am linkquote
Oh man ..sorry to hear ... maybe you need some help from the MV leprechauns. Here's to hoping they'll descend on you on the 17th and lend a helping hand.

If I was closer....
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Tue Mar 15, 2022 7:02 am linkquote
Birdsnest wrote:
The ham...

It will allude me. At this point I suspect I will not make the March 22nd finish line. *sighs* *shakes fist* *hopes for hamiracle*
Nooooooo!!!!

No Mattress Ham, no expired gift cards, and a jacked up neck to boot. You definitely need the Luck of the Irish this month!

As to Whole Paycheck...I'm a consultant, but I can't stand the place. Paying extra for weird food isn't my jam. Unfortunately, my wife seems to love it twice as much to make up.
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Tue Mar 15, 2022 2:06 pm linkquote
I'm getting news that the betting line has moved. bout is postponed due to a disclosed injury while moving plants sparring until a satisfactory date can be reached between both parties.

ham vault is closed and expired gift cards are in the safe deposit box for the time being.
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Tue Mar 15, 2022 2:08 pm linkquote
Aye. Some days are leaner than others.

Taped the frame and placed the 044.
Now where did I put those grub a dub dub dub screws?


Bloodied but Unbowed.

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Tue Mar 15, 2022 2:12 pm linkquote
greasy125 wrote:
I'm getting news that the betting line has moved. bout is postponed due to a disclosed injury while moving plants sparring until a satisfactory date can be reached between both parties.

ham vault is closed and expired gift cards are in the safe deposit box for the time being.
Hahaha

I do not abide injury flyers!!!
A bet is a bet.

I may bat signal for help loading the engine into frame but otherwise… 3/22. Mark it.
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Tue Mar 15, 2022 2:52 pm linkquote
good to know I'm not dealing with no welcher, see. mark it boys, we're hitting the town! Sunday's best required. it'll be all peaches I tells ya!



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Tue Mar 15, 2022 5:07 pm linkquote
Female cardinal admiring the red paint on the Ss180

Can't blame her…


Yeah you right.

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Tue Mar 15, 2022 8:14 pm linkquote
man: look at the tail on that one
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Tue Mar 22, 2022 5:21 am linkquote
Today, I will find an Apple-bees and a ham delivery company.

I will not squelch on a bet.

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Are you going to spring for Mattress Ham like a true gentleman, or just go with any ol' sliced pig?
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