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Wish you have, a Happy New Year!
Time for a new scooter. (On 200 or 300 cc)
Three candidates ...

Royal Alloy,
Lambretta
Vespa GTS.

Pls, your opinions!
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Where are you located? What is the availability of dealer/support in your area?

Those may influence the choice.
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Where are you located? What is the availability of dealer/support in your area?

Those may influence the choice.
Living in Marathon (Attica), almost all three brands have dealers not so close to me.
Personally, I prefer the A/R, I find it more "original" as a classic modern scooter, but it would be very useful to me hearing some opinions...
In addition, as an artist, for me the aesthetic factor is more important than convenience...
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Where are you located? What is the availability of dealer/support in your area?

Those may influence the choice.
No Canada that's for sure! Probably not the US either as I'm pretty sure those are not all available either.

Anyway Vespa GTS FTW. Out of the 3 I believe it has the best engine. I love me a lammie but these now w ones are not the Lambretta I used to ride. OK probably more reliable buy still... On a classic scooter design the less Tupperware the better.
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Where are you located? What is the availability of dealer/support in your area?

Those may influence the choice.
No Canada that's for sure! Probably not the US either as I'm pretty sure those are not all available either.

Anyway Vespa GTS FTW. Out of the 3 I believe it has the best engine. I love me a lammie but these now w ones are not the Lambretta I used to ride. OK probably more reliable buy still... On a classic scooter design the less Tupperware the better.
I do not think that RA has something to do with...Tupperware...In any case, thanks a lot for your opinion.
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I would also suggest the GTS. I have owned several scoots, and the ride of the Modern Vespa is far above the competitors.
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Where are you located? What is the availability of dealer/support in your area?

Those may influence the choice.
No Canada that's for sure! Probably not the US either as I'm pretty sure those are not all available either.

Anyway Vespa GTS FTW. Out of the 3 I believe it has the best engine. I love me a lammie but these now w ones are not the Lambretta I used to ride. OK probably more reliable buy still... On a classic scooter design the less Tupperware the better.
I do not think that RA has something to do with...Tupperware...In any case, thanks a lot for your opinion.
Tupperware is simply a term that means non metal parts/frame when discussing scooters or bikes. I have 2 classic designs that have remained aesthetically virtually unchanged over the decades. To me both the Ural and the Vespa would not be the same if fibreglass and plastic were used for the body and frame. I feel very strongly about that when it comes to classic scooter designs. Does a BMW scooter need to be metal? Not at all as it is not going for the classic look yet to me they still look good. Would I want my BMW K1600GT to be mostly metal? Of course not as that is not what the bike is about and it's design speaks for itself. However a classically designed Royal Enfield or HD for instance I would want to be metal.

Once you put plastic parts on something that is trying to emulate the look of a classic Lambretta or Vespa it just cheapens it. That is just my opinion and your milage may vary.

FWIW I do like that RA is metal but it just seems like a copy and I'd be happier if say RA was what Lambretta did. The build quality I'd also not be sure about.
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Are we talking about aesthetics here, or are we talking about the preferred choice as a working scooter? As a scooter, the mechanical design, performance, and reliability of the Vespa GTS makes it the easy choice. (appearance is a matter of personal opinion)
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Choice of a Scooter
OLd Scoot,

You made me have to think "Marathon, Attica?", oh ya, Greece.
The folks on this forum are pretty objective. However, this is a Vespa
forum.

I have had a Vespa GTS300 Super for five years and love it. Classic
Italian looks with enough get up and go to tackle express ways.

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Choose the Vespa
Correction, I have had the Vespa 300 for 8 years.

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Re: Choose the Vespa
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Correction, I have had the Vespa 300 for 8 years.

Bob Copeland
Hmm, should we all here be worried, Bob? Frost bite of the grey matter?
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I would go GTS 300. There is a good reason it has not changed much over the years. Vespa got it right. It will feel much more stable to ride compared to your PX.
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Vespa.

Ps
I was wanting some art for my garage wall. As an artist yourself what do you think of these fine quality paintings? They have royal in the name so they must be good.
https://www.royal-painting.com/Vincent-Van-Gogh/Vincent-Van-Gogh-oil-paintings.html
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Vespa.

Ps
I was wanting some art for my garage wall. As an artist yourself what do you think of these fine quality paintings? They have royal in the name so they must be good.
https://www.royal-painting.com/Vincent-Van-Gogh/Vincent-Van-Gogh-oil-paintings.html
I dunno, some tough competition here as they could make it custom. It'd be an International import though if not in the Contiguous Canadian Provinces .

https://www.royalhomepainterstoronto.ca

FWIW the consensus seems to be Vespa. This however is a Vespa site and post the same question in a Lambretta or RA forum and the replies may very well be different.
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You have Royals living in Toronto?
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I believe Royal Alloys is pressed steel similar to Scomadi (sic) but what engines RA and Lambretta use I do not know.
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znomit wrote:
Vespa.

Ps
I was wanting some art for my garage wall. As an artist yourself what do you think of these fine quality paintings? They have royal in the name so they must be good.
https://www.royal-painting.com/Vincent-Van-Gogh/Vincent-Van-Gogh-oil-paintings.html
I dunno, some tough competition here as they could make it custom. It'd be an International import though if not in the Contiguous Canadian Provinces .

https://www.royalhomepainterstoronto.ca

FWIW the consensus seems to be Vespa. This however is a Vespa site and post the same question in a Lambretta or RA forum and the replies may very well be different.
See also-by chance - some works of mine with motos as main theme...I really love Vincent, I'm almost a well known art painter in my country, but I took the "risk" using the "style" of Vincent for those works...
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Oldscooterman wrote:
Harbinger wrote:
znomit wrote:
Vespa.

Ps
I was wanting some art for my garage wall. As an artist yourself what do you think of these fine quality paintings? They have royal in the name so they must be good.
https://www.royal-painting.com/Vincent-Van-Gogh/Vincent-Van-Gogh-oil-paintings.html
I dunno, some tough competition here as they could make it custom. It'd be an International import though if not in the Contiguous Canadian Provinces .

https://www.royalhomepainterstoronto.ca

FWIW the consensus seems to be Vespa. This however is a Vespa site and post the same question in a Lambretta or RA forum and the replies may very well be different.
See also-by chance - some works of mine with motos as main theme...I really love Vincent, I'm almost a well known art painter in my country, but I took the "risk" using the "style" of Vincent for those works...
Beautiful work, you certainly do have a rare gift.
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I am reading the various opinions and I agree on one thing, if you can buy a brand that is an expression of originality; Vespa yes, Lambretta only the name, Royal Alloy good yes but there is only one similarity, RA ... mmmmff ... at this point Triumph is better but more expensive but then we went from scooter to motorcycle, another theme with different comparisons .
Here I am an intruder (like others) but always with a passion for scooters, I don't have a Vespa because the asphalt in my area is suicidal but the dealer is a friend and sometimes gives me one as an advertising vehicle (I go to rallies of scooters) but, like all the choices of this world, everyone has their own tastes and finally it's up to him to choose.
Best wishes for the choice ... whatever it is.

PS: "Improving style means improving thinking."
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Excellent Paintings
Old Scooot,

You really have mastered the technique. I am very impressed. I know this is a scooter forum, but, perhaps you could post a few more of your art works.

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Frost Bite of the Brain
wbdvt,

You may be on to something - at 72, stuff occasionally just kind of comes and goes.

Frozen in Minnesota

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Old Scooot,

You really have mastered the technique. I am very impressed. I know this is a scooter forum, but, perhaps you could post a few more of your art works.

Bob Copeland
Thanks a lot! You are so kind my dear Bob!
This is another artwork (Inks, Pencils and Watercolors), inspired from Ancient Greek Toys that ancient children played, it has to do with some kind of...Ancient Scooter (hahaha), and I'm really happy to post it here!
(Dedicated to all of you!)
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Do you also make scutures?
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Vespa GTS.

P.S Nice paintings!
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Alcune volte...Ho fato molte,
Ma il mio lavoro generalmente e la pittura.
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Vespa GTS.

P.S Nice paintings!
Thanks a lot dear RRider, you are so kind!
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Do you also make scutures?
Alcune volte...Ho fato molte,
Ma il mio lavoro generalmente e la pittura.
Thanks for the answer in italian ... Have you been to my country?
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Oldscooterman wrote:
Attila wrote:
Do you also make scutures?
Alcune volte...Ho fato molte,
Ma il mio lavoro generalmente e la pittura.
Thanks for the answer in italian ... Have you been to my country?
I have studied at Roma (1974-1978) which I really adore!
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Attila wrote:
Oldscooterman wrote:
Attila wrote:
Do you also make scutures?
Alcune volte...Ho fato molte,
Ma il mio lavoro generalmente e la pittura.
Thanks for the answer in italian ... Have you been to my country?
I have studied at Roma (1974-1978) which I really adore!
I live 60 km south of Rome, i go there often (by bus, there is too much traffic even for scooters).
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Oldscooterman wrote:
Attila wrote:
Oldscooterman wrote:
Attila wrote:
Do you also make scutures?
Alcune volte...Ho fato molte,
Ma il mio lavoro generalmente e la pittura.
Thanks for the answer in italian ... Have you been to my country?
I have studied at Roma (1974-1978) which I really adore!
I live 60 km south of Rome, i go there often (by bus, there is too much traffic even for scooters).
Vicino a Cincinato? Nettuno? Anzio?
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Attila wrote:
Oldscooterman wrote:
Attila wrote:
Oldscooterman wrote:
Attila wrote:
Do you also make scutures?
Alcune volte...Ho fato molte,
Ma il mio lavoro generalmente e la pittura.
Thanks for the answer in italian ... Have you been to my country?
I have studied at Roma (1974-1978) which I really adore!
I live 60 km south of Rome, i go there often (by bus, there is too much traffic even for scooters).
Vicino a Cincinato? Nettuno? Anzio?
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