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Fri Mar 12, 2021 4:34 am quote
Hi all

As some of you know I am going to be in the market for a new large frame Vespa. The anniversary edition looks nice but I need a top case for work. I sort of like the look of the Vespa, 2021 GTS300 HPE Racing 60s Green ) Vespa, 2021 GTS300 HPE Racing 60s Green ) . What would you get? Money is not a concern.

Also performance upgrades - what can I put on an HPE?

Thanks!
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Fri Mar 12, 2021 4:47 am quote
I like the white racing sixties and the grey supertech. I ended up getting a white super as the deal was too good.
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Fri Mar 12, 2021 4:49 am quote
You should first try it for a few hundred miles and in any case it is always better to do a little engine bedding; I think the HPE engine has reached the maximum of the epressible power.
I would change / improve the suspension (as Amateriat did) and act on the variator and clutch by installing Malossi components, possibly also the transmission belt.
They are soft and undemanding changes.
Later I would consider an increase in displacement (if possible or desirable).
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Fri Mar 12, 2021 5:03 am quote
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You should first try it for a few hundred miles and in any case it is always better to do a little engine bedding; I think the HPE engine has reached the maximum of the epressible power.
I would change / improve the suspension (as Amateriat did) and act on the variator and clutch by installing Malossi components, possibly also the transmission belt.
They are soft and undemanding changes.
Later I would consider an increase in displacement (if possible or desirable).
Even though I'm pretty close to the Vespa dealer I don't see trying it out for a few hundred kms being an option. That really just isn't a thing here for bikes and I know it isn't for Vespas.

Seeing as how my last scoot was fully loaded when it comes to upgrades I guess my question is what is special about the HPE vs pre HPE models. Especially when it comes to Malossi.
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I like the white racing sixties and the grey supertech. I ended up getting a white super as the deal was too good.
Yeah I like that one too - it's on the short list.
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Fri Mar 12, 2021 5:56 am quote
Sei Giorni grey would be my choice (probably)
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Fri Mar 12, 2021 5:59 am quote
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Sei Giorni grey would be my choice (probably)
Does it have ASR now? I know for a while the Sei Giorni just cam with ABS.
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Fri Mar 12, 2021 6:22 am quote
Excuse me Harbinger, i forgot that in my areas the largest dealers always have a new premium model called "demo" with already a few hundred kilometers on it to give to customers who want to do test laps how it goes but already with a few kilometers on. What would you not do to be able to sell ...
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Fri Mar 12, 2021 6:52 am quote
Either of the Racing 60's series GTS would find a way to my garage. My preference is the Green/gold, but the red/white would suit me just fine and it seems to be a bit rarer.
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Fri Mar 12, 2021 6:55 am quote
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fleece wrote:
Sei Giorni grey would be my choice (probably)
Does it have ASR now? I know for a while the Sei Giorni just cam with ABS.
according to this, yes ...

https://scooters.co.uk/item/vespa-gtv-300-sei-giorni-grey/
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Fri Mar 12, 2021 9:45 am quote
You already know how a Vespa GTS rides, get the new HPE ones in the color scheme you like. The after market improvements will come later once you had ridden it and gone through the first service maintenance. Then you can start to tweak and tune it to the way you want it.
Having never bought a new vehicle I am not sure how dealers/manufacturers handle warranty issues when a vehicle has been tweaked with after market parts etc while under warranty.
I hope you get to ride this summer. Peace
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Fri Mar 12, 2021 10:48 am quote
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You already know how a Vespa GTS rides, get the new HPE ones in the color scheme you like. The after market improvements will come later once you had ridden it and gone through the first service maintenance. Then you can start to tweak and tune it to the way you want it.
Having never bought a new vehicle I am not sure how dealers/manufacturers handle warranty issues when a vehicle has been tweaked with after market parts etc while under warranty.
I hope you get to ride this summer. Peace
As long as a part can go back on if need be warranty isn't an issue. The part just really needs to go back on for pictures though yeah it helps to be friendly with your local dealer. Prob just bars, windscreen and exhaust to start,
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Fri Mar 12, 2021 2:45 pm quote
If I was going to get a brand new one and money (and practicality) were not considerations: The 946.

If I was going for a 50 or 150: The Sean Wotherspoon edition (many find it garish, but I love the color contrast - I wish they made a GTS 300 Wotherspoon)

If I was actually going to get a brand new Vespa (given my need for relative speed): the GTS 300 HPE 75th Anniversary model - such a weird, great color.
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Fri Mar 12, 2021 4:04 pm quote
Hmm ...

I probably would go the LCD screen again of the Supertech (75th has it also i think). Love the Bluetooth

Racing 60s Green looks nice but not sure if it's darker than I'd want (i had a black gts and said never again)

Don't think i like the 75th colour but it may actually look good in person ...

Not a Euro 5 of i could avoid it


I am very happy with my current Grey Supertech
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Fri Mar 12, 2021 5:12 pm quote
This might belong in the crash thread but for city riding does a fender mounted headlight reduce your visibility?
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Fri Mar 12, 2021 8:07 pm quote
Last October, my wife said, "You need a new bike." No idea what she was talking about, 'cause I had my 2009 Vespa GTS 250 set up just the way I like it. So, we compromised, and it was off to AF1 Racing to check out a new bike. I went in there thinking I might like a BV350.

I test rode it - fun bike. And then, I saw it... that blu energia GTS HPE. There have been a few bikes over the years that grabbed me by the eyeballs and wrestled me to the ground. And, this GTS was going to be one of 'em.

It isn't a Super, not a Touring, not a SuperTech. I added the stuff I wanted (rear rack, top case, windshield w/Laminar Lip, Corbin Seat, USB outlets in the knee pad, etc)... and that gorgeous blue... um, blu.

I like the SuperTech dash, but the gray didn't do it for me.

Not a lot of difference from one GTS model to the next - if a GTS is what you're looking for, find the one that grabs you by the eyeballs.

Heal fast and full! The next bike will be waiting.
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Sat Mar 13, 2021 2:31 am quote
SIP sells various after market instruments for Vespa, very beautiful and even more complete.
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Sat Mar 13, 2021 4:09 am quote
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Last October, my wife said, "You need a new bike." No idea what she was talking about, 'cause I had my 2009 Vespa GTS 250 set up just the way I like it. So, we compromised, and it was off to AF1 Racing to check out a new bike. I went in there thinking I might like a BV350.

I test rode it - fun bike. And then, I saw it... that blu energia GTS HPE. There have been a few bikes over the years that grabbed me by the eyeballs and wrestled me to the ground. And, this GTS was going to be one of 'em.

It isn't a Super, not a Touring, not a SuperTech. I added the stuff I wanted (rear rack, top case, windshield w/Laminar Lip, Corbin Seat, USB outlets in the knee pad, etc)... and that gorgeous blue... um, blu.

I like the SuperTech dash, but the gray didn't do it for me.

Not a lot of difference from one GTS model to the next - if a GTS is what you're looking for, find the one that grabs you by the eyeballs.

Heal fast and full! The next bike will be waiting.
Thanks Jim, yes healing is the priority. I'm a tough SOB and will be back on a bike for short trips soon probably unless in a hard cast. The Ural is a hell shift and has floor board plus no need for feet down. Just for necessary trips, fun rides are a ways a way. 2 wheels still I'd guess a few months off and the BMW not I imagine until summer. If a heavy touring bike is not in play for a while that's just fine as I love me a Vespa.
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This might belong in the crash thread but for city riding does a fender mounted headlight reduce your visibility?
But I had a white helmet on...... There might be something to it but this guy wasn't looking for anything besides his rider pickup.
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Sat Mar 13, 2021 5:38 am quote
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Sei Giorni grey would be my choice (probably)
Ditto. Equipped with a skirt.🇧🇶
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Sat Mar 13, 2021 5:58 am quote
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fleece wrote:
Sei Giorni grey would be my choice (probably)
Ditto. Equipped with a skirt.🇧🇶
Would you go on a Vespa wearing a skirt?
All insects would try to nest there!
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Sat Mar 13, 2021 5:59 am quote
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fleece wrote:
Sei Giorni grey would be my choice (probably)
Ditto. Equipped with a skirt.🇧🇶
I'm kinda torn. I love the look of the Sei Giorni obviously as I'm coming from a GTV. Grey though I'm not sure I'm sold on and those racing 60's models look really nice.
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Sat Mar 13, 2021 6:06 am quote
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Max6200 wrote:
fleece wrote:
Sei Giorni grey would be my choice (probably)
Ditto. Equipped with a skirt.🇧🇶
Would you go on a Vespa wearing a skirt?
All insects would try to nest there!
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Sat Mar 13, 2021 8:18 am quote
Maybe mix it up a little and get a BV350? Or a unber sexy Liberty 150? Or go smaller Vespa with a Sprint 150? My friend just bought a Xmax 300 and sold his 200cc Lance Cabo. The buyer of the Cabo had a Zuma 50cc. Here's how I summed up displacement sizes. The 50cc is a probe ship, a 125-200cc is the fighter ship and anything larger displacement is the mother ship. All have their purpose.
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Sat Mar 13, 2021 8:21 am quote
Hi Harbinger, you should get the green & yellow Racing Sixties 300Gts and the best thing to put on it is yourself. Just drive it and smile. Wishing you a fast recovery.





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Sat Mar 13, 2021 8:29 am quote
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Maybe mix it up a little and get a BV350? Or a unber sexy Liberty 150? Or go smaller Vespa with a Sprint 150? My friend just bought a Xmax 300 and sold his 200cc Lance Cabo. The buyer of the Cabo had a Zuma 50cc. Here's how I summed up displacement sizes. The 50cc is a probe ship, a 125-200cc is the fighter ship and anything larger displacement is the mother ship. All have their purpose.
I see your point but that's not going to happen, has to be a Vespa. I have a Ural Gear Up and BMW K1600GT for mixing things up. A Vespa will always be in my garage . I had a C650GT and liked it but to me me there are scooters and there are Vespas. I've felt that way since I was a Mod though back then Lambretta was also a great pick.

arh - yeah that's the model I'm leaning towards.
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Sat Mar 13, 2021 11:34 am quote
I think he will use the Ural more often to go to the city, it is almost a tank...
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Sun Mar 14, 2021 4:03 pm quote
the sei giorni looks pretty dope
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Sun Mar 14, 2021 10:08 pm quote
You should try a few hundred miles first
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Sun Mar 14, 2021 10:51 pm quote
I think I understand that Mr. Harbinger wants a Vespa because it is a Vespa ... At least mainly, then ... If it is also powerful it is better.
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Mon Mar 15, 2021 1:44 am quote
Can't help thinking if Bill Dog was still about, this thread would probably be 10 pages long, several members ejected and now locked down

I miss a bit of Bill's interjection sometimes
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Mon Mar 15, 2021 2:13 am quote
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Can't help thinking if Bill Dog was still about, this thread would probably be 10 pages long, several members ejected and now locked down

I miss a bit of Bill's interjection sometimes
I will sound masochistic to you but yes, it would be interesting for me too.
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Mon Mar 15, 2021 3:48 am quote
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I think I understand that Mr. Harbinger wants a Vespa because it is a Vespa ... At least mainly, then ... If it is also powerful it is better.
Really it's about the iconic design, history of the brand and what it means to me. Like I said I was a Mod, understandably many here do not really know the culture. I'm not now but it reminds me of a part of my life and I just like I still wear Fred Perry pretty often I like me a Vespa.
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Mon Mar 15, 2021 3:52 am quote
With Melody humming along very nicely right now, the desire for newer-and-shinier couldn't be much lower. That said, if I was forced to start from scratch, it would definitely an HPE Supertech, even though the TFT dash is take-it-or-leave-it in my mind, and I positively hate start-stop tech (is that that model so afflicted?). Love that glossy putty-like color!
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Mon Mar 15, 2021 4:34 am quote
I am waiting for the new HPE +, Vespa needs to produce one that will run like an Xmax. If Yamaha can get that level of performance out of 300cc then I am certain Vespa can too. After all, Italy brings us Ducati's, Ferrari, Lamboghini, Marserati, etc. Then they could certainly build a faster Vespa. I think they are already working on it, but waiting until it is perfected before announcing the new arrival. Coming soon to a dealership near you!
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Mon Mar 15, 2021 4:43 am quote
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I am waiting for the new HPE +, Vespa needs to produce one that will run like an Xmax. If Yamaha can get that level of performance out of 300cc then I am certain Vespa can too. After all, Italy brings us Ducati's, Ferrari, Lamboghini, Marserati, etc. Then they could certainly build a faster Vespa. I think they are already working on it, but waiting until it is perfected before announcing the new arrival. Coming soon to a dealership near you!
I have a 160HP bike so I don't need wicked performance off my Vespa. The HPE is crinkly "good enough" .

Right now I think my decision is coming down to colour. Thoughts?

*EDIT* Ugh now I'm looking at the HPE SuperTech. I know there is no major rush but I'd like to order something by next week so Lou has time to add/order my accessories etc. Depending on whether I need surgery and how fast I heal I imagine I will be back on the road in 6 weeks or so.

https://www.internationalmotorsports.com/new-models/2021-vespa-gts-super-300-hpe-racing-sixties-28111643b





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Mon Mar 15, 2021 5:06 am quote
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I am waiting for the new HPE +, Vespa needs to produce one that will run like an Xmax. If Yamaha can get that level of performance out of 300cc then I am certain Vespa can too. After all, Italy brings us Ducati's, Ferrari, Lamboghini, Marserati, etc. Then they could certainly build a faster Vespa. I think they are already working on it, but waiting until it is perfected before announcing the new arrival. Coming soon to a dealership near you!
As an Italian I feel delighted and honored by your consideration even if good made in Italy is not all famous, there are other deserving brands and also other very good products. You have to ask yourself why ... the answer is the cauldron of cultures concentrated in a small space and geographically conditioned by different climates even just by moving a hundred miles.
The division (in very ancient times) of the various Italian regions, each with a different culture and dialect and which still survive today in some areas has reached modern times and all this stimulates many different ideas.
It can be said that Italy has always been divided into two macro areas starting from the early years of the nineteenth century, the north with an industrial vocation and with a very technical agriculture and the south with only agriculture but very backward, a little like if there had existed (and perhaps still is today) two Italy; after all, some great mechanical entrepreneurs came from the deep south of Italy, they were heirs of noble families with capital obtained from landowner agriculture and who wanted to invest in the nascent industrial sector but which was functional to the fact that only in the north there were the possibilities and the market to do business.
So when you think of your little Vespa, think that it was not born only from the need for post-war mobility, from a motivated entrepreneur and an engineer passionate about aeronautics but also from a few centuries of social and technological transformations.
And think of us when you eat your pizza margherita, a plate of macaroni with parmesan and drink a good wine because the good things in life remain inside us as well as outside.
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Mon Mar 15, 2021 5:14 am quote
Ha! Why did I have an idea this would turn in to a thread about "why Vespa?"

Well.. seeing as how the subject is " what new model Vespa would you buy? " that would lead me to believe the OP (me) wants a Vespa. This is also Modern Vespa so there is that. Yes I know we go beyond Vespa here but it still is primarily Vespa that brings most of us here.

Can someone help me decide if the HPE SuperTech is arguably the best Vespa? I'm not sold on the colour but I like the connectivity options. Absolutely a slip on exhaust is going on in black which will help the aesthetics. Money isn't a thing so the extra cost I don't care about. anything else about the SuperTech I'm missing? Same engine as the other HPE models, correct?
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Mon Mar 15, 2021 5:50 am quote
So funny I should see this thread...

I've been very seriously toying with the idea of getting an actual vespa. I love my BV, and wouldn't trade as I still need it for a commuter, but, The GTS 300 or the Racing Series in the British Green with the yellow pop... Ooof. I don't have the money right now, but I may have a significant job opportunity coming up in a few months that would significantly increase my income. It's very tempting.

I know I want nothing smaller than a 300 engine. Assuming all the GTS/300HPEs have ABS, ride about the same, I'd very seriously consider.
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Mon Mar 15, 2021 6:05 am quote
personally I love the smallies

a new Sprint in Racing Sixties Green, love i would





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smallies, that's great! That Sprint is sharp!
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Mon Mar 15, 2021 1:13 pm quote
Harbinger wrote:
Can someone help me decide if the HPE SuperTech is arguably the best Vespa? I'm not sold on the colour but I like the connectivity options. Absolutely a slip on exhaust is going on in black which will help the aesthetics. Money isn't a thing so the extra cost I don't care about. anything else about the SuperTech I'm missing? Same engine as the other HPE models, correct?
Yes it's the same engine.

The only difference (apart from colours) is the LCD dash with the Bluetooth connectivity.
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