Modern Vespa

Is this Vespa still in production?

Bob Copeland

It's the Sei Giorni for me. In fact delivery of this striking Vespa occurred three days ago. And I haven't seen it since. It sits, in my shed, accompanying my MP3 and my wife's' Zip 100. The thing is, my shed is fourteen steps down from our house and attempting this on crutches is hazardous.
The broken foot came about by a set of circumstances previously described by STICKY-on this forum (many years back) when he said 'always make sure your wheels are locked prior to dismounting from your MP3-you can be fooled momentarily-then it's too late ! A rare moment of inattention resulting in the lot tumbling over trapping my well booted foot and smacking my new helmet on the tarmac. Hospital visit, thankfully mild concussion, and moon-boot. All this ten days prior to arrival of new bike. For an octogenarian all this loss of riding time is doubly frustrating. Still, only eight more weeks to go. Hopefully.

I have been able to read the owners manual and to answer Harbinger's question re ABS/ASR There is only mention of ABS . Nothing suggests ASR

I would choose a Euro 4 GTS300 HPE. But I am waiting for A colour that turns me on, and when one comes out there will probably only be Euro 5 models available.

I would like an HPE because it is the first Vespa in a long time that has been designed as a unit - redesigned piston, head, air-filter, transmission, exhaust.. All the previous models were a hodgepot of available parts - same head, exhaust, transmission, air-filter, etc on 125s, 250s and 300s. The redesigned engine has much the same performance as my two Malossified Supers, and I like the look of the new horn cover. Only concern is the position of that crankcase oil filler plug, but an oil level viewing glass is available on the web.

I wouldn't choose the Supertech as all that electronics doesn't interest me. I don't want to have phone conversations with my scooter. And I far prefer the looks of the analogue speedo dial.

According to my reading, the Euro 4 model has slightly better performance. Same peak power as the Euro 5, but the Euro 5 power drops away a bit at higher revs/speeds.

While the thread is 'what new Vespa', I would seriously consider something not-so-modern. Re-live your misspent youth with a classic 2 stroke Vespa.

When I retire, absolutely. The Vespa is also my wife's ride though and I want her to have ABS/ASR . They are also really hard to grab in Toronto as they get snapped up quick. I might have better luck on the west coast.

Spoke to Lou at Vespa Toronto about inventory and what we'd know I'd like. So Racing 60's HPE it is. He's holding it for me and now we just have to decide on accessories.

https://www.vespatorontowest.com/vespa-2021-gts300-hpe-racing-60s-white.html

Congratulations Harbinger, that's a great choice. I hope you bounce back quickly from your accident so you can get out and enjoy it.

What is HST?

Where did you read HST?

Congrats on your selection - sharp looking scoot. Gives you something to work towards with any physical therapy (if needed).

What's the word on casting the leg - how much cast and for how long?

Nice! That is exactly what I would go for.

Congrats! That's a great-looking machine! "Harmonized Sales Tax". It's a 13% tax added on the top of everything else.

How do you know Euro4 vs 5? Is it just a firmware flash between the two, or are the physical parts different?

First off thanks guys! I was waffling on what to get and Lou's inventory made my mind up for me. It is a sharp looking scoot. Robot on one video I watched said they did a wicked customization on a white 60's.

I'm lucky in that I only need to wear the splint and no hard cast. Started physiotherapy today and he said it's pretty bad and I'll be seeing a lot of him for a while. I'm going to be really good about it and seriously plan to be back on a Vespa in a couple of weeks. With a Vespa I can just do right foot down and as long as I can bend the knee I'm good to go. Hope the splint fits in the pet carrier!

Good choice from a BE SEEN, BE SAFE point of view as well 8)

https://www.ansa.it/canale_motori/notizie/due_ruote/2018/11/06/piaggio-aggiorna-la-vespona-gts-con-motore-300-hpe-238-cv_226da04f-6279-447c-ac96-ef948336ab4f.html

"The range now consists of five versions: Vespa GTS, GTS Touring, GTS Super, GTS SuperSport and the brand new, technological Vespa GTS SuperTech, with color TFT display that makes the most of connectivity with the smartphone through the Vespa Mia system. . Two engines are foreseen, as the already well-known and appreciated 125 i-Get single cylinder is now joined by the new 23.8 HP 300 HPE (High Performance Engine), the most recent result of the Piaggio Group's engine technology. this unit - the most powerful ever adopted for a Vespa - is an important step in the program that aims to offer increasingly advanced and efficient engines in terms of reducing emissions and consumption. The 300 Hpe engine is the latest evolution of the single-cylinder 300 cc 4-stroke, 4-valve, liquid-cooled and electronic injection, and is the result of the experience of the Piaggio Group's research and development center. Compared to the previous version, the power but ssima reaches the value of 23.8 hp at 8250 rpm, which translates into an increase of 12%, while the maximum torque, equal to 26 Nm at 5250 rpm, has grown by 18%.

Improvements that go hand in hand with a significant reduction in consumption, with the mileage going from 29.4 km / l to 31 km / l in the Wmtc cycle. This important result was achieved through meticulous work by Piaggio technicians on most of the components, with the aim of optimizing thermodynamic performance and reducing friction. The adoption of a new cylinder head and a piston with a revised architecture stand out, resulting in a highly efficient combustion chamber, which also benefits from valves and internal head ducts with an increased diameter. The single-shaft distribution system with roller tappets gains a camshaft with different timing and different valve lift times. The introduction of a new high-pressure multi-jet injector also contributes to improving combustion. Finally, a more generous intake line improves the torque delivered at low revs and guarantees exceptional smooth running at every speed.

The new iridium spark plug ensures longer life.

The transmission has also been profoundly revised: the CVT automatic speed variator boasts a new belt, a new geometry and new materials, all wrapped in a new cover coated with sound-absorbing material, all to the advantage of mechanical silence, which also contributes to a new and stiffer clutch drum. The engine is controlled by a latest generation Magneti Marelli MIUG4 control unit, already prepared for the future Euro 5 standard."

As you can read in the last lines of the article it is clear that to update the anti-pollution the parameters on the ECU are changed.
To find out if there is a change, a dedicated PC must be connected to the diagnostic socket.
That's all.

Oh..!
Close to the price is definitely an additional tax but which one ... now i understand.

And C$ 250 for PDI

Harmonized Sales Tax: do the tax assessors gather together and sing while they take your money??

Good to hear that it will be a splint instead of a hard cast - much easier to live with. Plus, no one wanting to sign it... although some reflective tape on it might provide a bit more visibility for those who are mostly unable to see motorcycles. Good luck with the PT - do the work and get through it so you can enjoy that new scoot as soon as possible.

Dyno comparison published by Otto Leirer on Vespa GTS Power Group facebook forum. But I don't know what part of Euro5 adjustment makes the difference. I suspect it is just in the programming (the technical data for the Euro4 says the new ECU is Euro5 compliant), so maybe a re-program of a Euro5 model could put the performance back.

Could be the new exhaust on the Euro 5 that makes it worse

If that's all it is then I have no qualms about getting a Euro5 model. An Akra will make all the difference.

22% in Italy.

It is enough to reprogram the ECU to Euro 4 (fortunately it is not like with Windows ).

Great to see I'm not the only one with a split personality!

I love my big bore BMW's and do the majority of my riding on one, and at the same time I can't get enough of the twist-and-go feeling a scooter provides.

Currently in the market for 2010 GTS 300ie upgrade.

There more than a few of us here . While I love my K1600GT and GearUp there is just something special about a twist and go and the Vespa is the definitive scooter.

It may be different for you but when I was recovering from my non riding related foot injury I thought I'd do the right foot down method but I found, at least for me that it didn't always work out. There were times that I had to put my right foot down. It delayed my return to riding a little longer until I was confident that I could put my foot down if I needed to. It may be different for you since you have a knee injury and I had a foot injury and everybody and every injury is different.

I've been reading about your injury but I haven't commented yet. I hope you get well soon. Good luck.

Thanks Matthew. Hopefully I'll be ok with the Vespa and right foot down was my usual on the Vespa. A little strange maybe as I'm left foot on a motorcycle. I can flat foot a Vespa 300 so I have that benefit. However yeah... It'll be a brand new 2021 Vespa so I'd better be careful.

gear foot?

Here they teach us clutch in in first gear and right foot on the brake pedal at a stop. This adds some extra viability with the brake light on and you can still pull away quickly if need be. On long lights with the large BMW I will sometimes do both feet down. Mixed opinions on both feet down but on the really big heavy bikes most trainers are ok with it on long stops. With me on the BMW with a full tank it must be around 1000 pds.

shows how long it is since I've ridden a bike, I'd forgot about the rear brake

Hey, my Vespas and Lambrettas back in the day also both had brakes on the right side

Just stalking this thread as I may finally in the market for a new Vespa, after a lengthy absence, and it's been helpful reading up on the current models. Wishing you many happy rides on your new scooter Harbinger

Here in the Lone Star State, it isn't a "legal stop" unless you put both feet down.

Are we there yet??? Have you picked it up?

I ended up selling the GSA 1200 because frankly I couldn't deal with the weight any longer. Also, the GTS keeps me a bit more down to hearth as far as speed. I do miss my 30 litre fuel tank..

Nah, I'm still a few weeks from being able ride so have to wait. I still need my knee to feel a little bit less like a tight rubber band and the water on my knee to mostly disappear. I figure a few more weeks of PT and I'll be good to go for short trips. So by the end of this week I will start with the Ural (no foot down at stops or centre stand) and see how that works. I'll visit the dealership then and have a look at it.

Here in the Lone Star State, it isn't a "legal stop" unless you put both feet down.[/quote]

Ouch, that would be bad for me. At 5' 6" I cannot get both legs down on my Primavera. 31 inch seat height and 28 inch inseam do not calculate...

Chris From CLE.

Ouch, that would be bad for me. At 5' 6" I cannot get both legs down on my Primavera. 31 inch seat height and 28 inch inseam do not calculate...

Chris From CLE.[/quote]

The one foot down thing sounds like something you get ticketed for if a LEO is having a bad day or maybe a cash grab. I've watched our Motorcycle Cops here and I've seen them do one foot down on more than one occasion.

Without regard to the underlying reason, either way, a ticket like that would ruin one's day. No real worries from me - TX is a long way from here but I am continuously surprised on how silly law can be.

Chris From CLE