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Hello, I am wondering if this is a good restoration, or an Asian restoration that I should run, not walk, away from.

Any pointers or first impressions are welcomed!
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Lack of pics makes it hard to say.
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Looks pretty slap dash.

My gut says avoid... the flathead screws on the floor rail endcaps and some ill fitting screws on the outside rail, one sticking out like a herpes canker on a first date??? Cable routing looks suspect. Nope. If they were that careless with easy to manage cosmetics I'd be very worried about the mechanicals of the engine. It's nice and shiny, but unless you have a good idea on the history and the build, save your bucks and something more reliable.
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why is it that I can't see the pics ?
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Moto64 wrote:
why is it that I can't see the pics ?
Are you using chrome?
Maybe try a different browser?
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I got them by right clicking the boxes and viewing the images. I don't normally have to do that...
As for the bike, there's no telling what is under that shiny paint. I'd go for something a bit more honest.
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Wow, never seen such staging!
Ask for the documented history of the bike.
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I like the tail light but it looks like it fits a flatter ass.
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Lots of details wrong. It's not really a restoration, more like a representation. It's like the movie, "The Fly" ... as if they put a VBA in the machine with some shiny paint and parts from some other models and this is what came out.
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Wow, the paint and pics make it look great. But agree with everyone else that it is a bunch of parts incorrect.

That does not appear to be a 1958 VNA like seller describes. No VIN listed in the auction. Auction description reads word for word of some of his past sales.

I don't think I could even build one for $4k stateside (outsourcing paint, body, metal, and engine work).
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It's hard to tell.

The photos are nice. Like the lighting. Flattering.

There are a few things that are off:
- They used screws for the floor rails
- The legshield trim is strange. It's too short
- That weird black rubber tank seal
- The wires kind of hanging out at the motor junction
- The 10" wheel conversion

It's not really a restoration, per se. More of a rebuild. Probably mostly aftermarket parts. If I were to guess, the only things left of the original bike are the frame, headset, maybe the engine case/some engine parts.

It looks pretty. Very classy. Close to original look.
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"good restoration" no.

bad bike, no idea. looks like a bitza at best.

things that are not right:
* the tail light and fender trim would indicate a '58-'60 ish bike, but the fender is later.
* 10 in wheels
* legshield trim should extend down and under the floor runners
* tail light looks a bit like a sand cast re-pop but can't be sure
* headlight rim is a cheap re-pop
* I don't see a hole in the frame for the peg at the back of the engine side cowl to latch into
* chrome choke
* fuel tap is left on, so it's going to be flooded (if there is even any fuel in it)

things that look right (and are often wrong on bodges)
* rear seat pan look like it started as the correct thing
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* I don't see a hole in the frame for the peg at the back of the engine side cowl to latch into
Oh yeah! What happened there?

Shiny paint will hide a lot.
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You guys are amazing. Thanks so much for the feedback. Where do I get a true quality restoration?
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No.
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funoldcarguy wrote:
You guys are amazing. Thanks so much for the feedback. Where do I get a true quality restoration?
Honestly? Do it yourself?

Then you know what the original condition is.

Bar Italia in Los Angeles does nice restorations.
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hjo wrote:
oopsclunkthud wrote:
* I don't see a hole in the frame for the peg at the back of the engine side cowl to latch into
Oh yeah! What happened there?

Shiny paint will hide a lot.
That's interesting. Maybe they thought it was a superfluous rear rack hole so welded it up. Ha!
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