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2021 Primavera 50 Sean Wotherspoon
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Sat Apr 03, 2021 1:14 pm quote
Hi everyone,

New to Vespa and this forum. Live in Edmonton, AB Canada. Just got our first Vespa, a 2021 Primavera 50cc Sean Wotherspoon edition.

So far it's great, BUT one concern. While we have driven other small 50cc engines before, we are challenged with the Vespa barely being able to hit 42km/h(25mpH). We know there is a break-in period, is there a reason we can't get it above this speed? Note, we both were riding as singles. My wife is 120lbs and I am 180lbs, both trying the same flat/level route in our home area.

Thank you!



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Sat Apr 03, 2021 2:36 pm quote
Does this have a red maroon bottom of speedometer?
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2021 Primavera 50 Sean Wotherspoon
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Sat Apr 03, 2021 2:42 pm quote
Harry brenner wrote:
Does this have a red maroon bottom of speedometer?
Not that I see. Image attached. I know in the US there is a "limited" version with limited speed, don't even think you can get that in Canada, nor is that what our sales slip or model information relate to.



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Sat Apr 03, 2021 3:28 pm quote
Speedometer has 2 red marks at top 25 to 45 max. If it only goes 25 I believe their is probably a issue. I also have one for my wife and it does 45 easy.what does the dealer say?
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Sat Apr 03, 2021 3:33 pm quote
I was told there are two 50 cc engines with 2 hp .I believe this has a 4.6 hp
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Sat Apr 03, 2021 3:34 pm quote
4.1 and 4.6 hp
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2021 Primavera 50 Sean Wotherspoon
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Sat Apr 03, 2021 4:55 pm quote
Harry brenner wrote:
Speedometer has 2 red marks at top 25 to 45 max. If it only goes 25 I believe their is probably a issue. I also have one for my wife and it does 45 easy.what does the dealer say?
My speedometer is km/h. I can barely get it above the 45km/h which is 23mph. I called my dealer. He does feel it's slow, but thinks after driven it to 100km (about 60miles) it should break in more.

I questioned him if somehow the factory accidentally labelled ours as a 50cc instead of a Limited? He said he has never heard of that and our scooters for Canada are made side by side the US ones but said it's no impossible.

As of now we have driven it about 40km. If by 100km it doesn't get faster, we are going to take it in to get troubleshooted. He said he has got the same engine up to nearly 70km/h (43mph).

We got it as a little weekend fun city cruiser. Don't expect it to go above 45mph, but definitely needs to keep up with local city traffic at 50-60km/h (31-38mph).
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Sat Apr 03, 2021 6:22 pm quote
Good look like I said my wifeís will do about 45 and has 55 miles on it thanks
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Sat Apr 03, 2021 7:26 pm quote
Does it get to 45 in a hurry and then just kinda stop or does it take a while to get there?
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2021 Primavera 50 Sean Wotherspoon
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Sat Apr 03, 2021 7:46 pm quote
Harry brenner wrote:
Good look like I said my wifeís will do about 45 and has 55 miles on it thanks
When yo I say your wifeís does 45, is that 45 miles per hour or 45 kilometres per hour?
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2021 Primavera 50 Sean Wotherspoon
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Sat Apr 03, 2021 7:46 pm quote
znomit wrote:
Does it get to 45 in a hurry and then just kinda stop or does it take a while to get there?
Goes to about 30-35km/h then slowly creeps to 42-45km/h.
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Sun Apr 04, 2021 12:32 am quote
Within EU countries, 45 km/h is the max allowed top speed for 50cc scoots.

Around here, those manufacturers that has Europe among the largest market areas tend to make their scoots for this 45 km/h spec. Others, e.g. many Chinese manufacturers, limit the speed with various ways for the units sold here.

Vespa... I don't have any facts, but I'll guess the 50cc models could be designed for this 45 km/h limit?

The reason I personally had a 125cc Vespa instead of a 50cc when I did was the lack of top speed for my local roads. Funnily enough, I also then learned that the 50cc and 125cc Sprint has almost the same weight and virtually the same dimensions - having a 125cc did not take anything away from the traditional 'small scoot' feeling I was after! I had a MC license already, so a 125cc was an easy choise for me.
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Sun Apr 04, 2021 1:00 am quote
It does sound like it shipped restricted. Your dealer should be able to derestrict it if that is the case.
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Sun Apr 04, 2021 6:33 am quote
It does take a little time to get to 45 but not bad.When we purchased this I asked the service manager about restrictions and he said he would take care of it.I do not know what he did but it is faster than our lx with a carb. He did say not to open it up until she gets 50 miles on it.
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2021 Primavera 50 Sean Wotherspoon
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Sun Apr 04, 2021 6:33 am quote
johnymoore wrote:
It does sound like it shipped restricted. Your dealer should be able to derestrict it if that is the case.
I really think so too. Will see how next 2 days go but will probably have them come pick it up and looo at it.
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2021 Primavera 50 Sean Wotherspoon
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Sun Apr 04, 2021 10:55 am quote
Harry brenner wrote:
It does take a little time to get to 45 but not bad.When we purchased this I asked the service manager about restrictions and he said he would take care of it.I do not know what he did but it is faster than our lx with a carb. He did say not to open it up until she gets 50 miles on it.
Iím assuming 45mph? Not 45/h right?
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Sun Apr 04, 2021 11:03 am quote
45 mph
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Sun Apr 04, 2021 11:05 am quote
I believe yours is a limited
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2021 Primavera 50 Sean Wotherspoon
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Sun Apr 04, 2021 11:09 am quote
Harry brenner wrote:
I believe yours is a limited
The ViN and documentation says otherwise but believe it somehow got built as a limited.

Thx for all the responses!
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Sun Apr 04, 2021 3:01 pm quote
I was told by the service manager at a Vespa dealer that the speedometer on the limited has the red marks like yours . Mine does not have any red lines on it
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2021 Primavera 50 Sean Wotherspoon
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Sun Apr 04, 2021 3:07 pm quote
Harry brenner wrote:
I was told by the service manager at a Vespa dealer that the speedometer on the limited has the red marks like yours . Mine does not have any red lines on it
Thank you. I will review that wirh my dealer
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2021 Primavera 50 Sean Wotherspoon
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Sun Apr 04, 2021 3:27 pm quote
Harry brenner wrote:
I was told by the service manager at a Vespa dealer that the speedometer on the limited has the red marks like yours . Mine does not have any red lines on it
I looked again at the Vespa Motorsports in San Diegoís YouTube video of the 50cc Limited, it does not have the red marks yet is is limited.

Curious if itís a US/Canada thing.

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Sun Apr 04, 2021 4:12 pm quote
I just looked at one of Robots (Scooterswest) and he does mention a red mark on the speedometer for the limiter edition 30 mph Thanks
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Sun Apr 04, 2021 4:32 pm quote
Limited edition is probably not the best way to describe a speed limited scooter.
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2021 Primavera 50 Sean Wotherspoon
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Sun Apr 04, 2021 4:34 pm quote
znomit wrote:
Limited edition is probably not the best way to describe a speed limited scooter.
Their terminology is "limited" speed, which I agree, is not great. It's not even a model offered on the Canadian website, but believe somehow that is what we got. Email sent to our dealer to review and have them come pick it up to take back for troubleshooting.
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Sun Apr 04, 2021 5:04 pm quote
I agree it should be called a limited speed
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2021 Primavera 50 Sean Wotherspoon
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Sun Apr 04, 2021 5:46 pm quote
My wife went through the manual again, and there is a page that lists the prefixes for VIN #s. Turns out they show a CANADIAN PREFIX for a VIN for regular Primavera 50cc and a Limited Speed of 45km/h. According to their prefix our 50cc is a regular and NOT a limited speed, but again, everything is saying otherwise. Email send to Dealer and I will also call Vespa tomorrow.

Thanks again to all those with feedback. Loving the Vespa, but this is a bit frustrating on a new purchase that had 0km on it when purchased. Par for the course. Our new 2021 Jeep Rubicon has been delayed as well this year since ordering in January, that is why we bought this to tide us over...lol.
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Sun Apr 04, 2021 6:22 pm quote
I looked in my owners manual and could not find anything Can you give me the page number she found it on ? thanks
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2021 Primavera 50 Sean Wotherspoon
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Sun Apr 04, 2021 6:32 pm quote
Harry brenner wrote:
I looked in my owners manual and could not find anything Can you give me the page number she found it on ? thanks
In our manual Pg 30.
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Sun Apr 04, 2021 6:49 pm quote
Thanks again
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Sun Apr 04, 2021 7:18 pm quote
i thought 50cc vespa's were designed to top out at city speeds... 45kmh ish... and 125cc tops out at country driving 80kmh.. and the 300cc gts is for highway driving 130kmh ish...

isnt that normal?
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2021 Primavera 50 Sean Wotherspoon
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Sun Apr 04, 2021 7:27 pm quote
Hummus2 wrote:
i thought 50cc vespa's were designed to top out at city speeds... 45kmh ish... and 125cc tops out at country driving 80kmh.. and the 300cc gts is for highway driving 130kmh ish...

isnt that normal?
Iím new but in all our research and information we gathered before buying is that a 50cc should be able to get to above 60km/, a 125cc to about 85íish and 300 at about 110km/h.

Even Vespa shows that the 50cc comes in 2 versions. Ours says it should not be restricted to 45km/h but should go higher. Even our dealer has got a 50cc to 72km/h.
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Sun Apr 04, 2021 11:58 pm quote
My LX 50 could barely make it to 43 km/h. And that was a strong two-stroke engine. It was designed to keep the speed limit for mopeds and Piaggio is very conservative in that respect. Ten years on I got my second moped scooter, a NIU NQi Sport, which easily accelerates to 49 km/h and keeps that speed. Makes a lot of difference in Berlin traffic. I had to get rid of the slow Vespa after one summer, but the NIU works great.

I'm guessing the Primavera 50 still uses the same simple restriction as the LX did. If that is the case, all you need to do is lose the spacer ring in the transmission case. Don't do it yourself, if you've never done it. Your workshop should be able to do that in half an hour.

Check your local bylaws, though. Derestricting would null and void the bike's roadworthiness here.
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Mon Apr 05, 2021 12:43 am quote
Here's what it looked like on a two-stroke LX 50 (HiPer2 engine).

You can ride that engine without a ring, but I'm not sure how it is with your engine. You may need a thinner ring in place.


Transmission case opened. The spacer is on the driven pulley.


The ring. As you can see, it limits the travel between the two pulley halves, so that the belt never reaches the outer circumference. There is already a groove half way up from wear.

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Mon Apr 05, 2021 4:07 am quote
Thanks for the page number it cleared everything up for me .Let me know what your dealer says
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2021 Primavera 50 Sean Wotherspoon
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Mon Apr 05, 2021 4:46 am quote
Der Blechfahrer wrote:
My LX 50 could barely make it to 43 km/h. And that was a strong two-stroke engine. It was designed to keep the speed limit for mopeds and Piaggio is very conservative in that respect. Ten years on I got my second moped scooter, a NIU NQi Sport, which easily accelerates to 49 km/h and keeps that speed. Makes a lot of difference in Berlin traffic. I had to get rid of the slow Vespa after one summer, but the NIU works great.

I'm guessing the Primavera 50 still uses the same simple restriction as the LX did. If that is the case, all you need to do is lose the spacer ring in the transmission case. Don't do it yourself, if you've never done it. Your workshop should be able to do that in half an hour.

Check your local bylaws, though. Derestricting would null and void the bike's roadworthiness here.
For me Iím not concerned about any laws as my wife ahs her motorcycle license and I do too. The key is the bike we were sold was to be a regular 50cc not a restricted one.

Iím going to let the dealer deal with it. My concern is the manual refers to the limited speed one has less horsepower. Not if that is due to only a restrictive ring or something else as well.
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2021 Primavera 50 Sean Wotherspoon
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Mon Apr 05, 2021 4:51 am quote
Der Blechfahrer wrote:
Here's what it looked like on a two-stroke LX 50 (HiPer2 engine).

You can ride that engine without a ring, but I'm not sure how it is with your engine. You may need a thinner ring in place.
Thank you. I have seen that and a few videos on how to remove. Iím going to let the dealer deal with all of this.
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Mon Apr 05, 2021 5:24 am quote
I was told by my service manager that the limited has a 3. Something and the non limited has a 4.1 hp. Good luck.keep us posted thanks
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2021 Primavera 50 Sean Wotherspoon
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Mon Apr 05, 2021 5:30 pm quote
Minor update, called Vespa NA. Talked with their CSR there. They agree that the dealer should take a look. Had a good chat with the owner of my Vespa dealer today. As it is Easter Monday, not all staff is in, but tomorrow they will call to schedule a trailer to pick it up.

Hope by end of week there is some resolve. Will post once I hear back from them.
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Tue Apr 06, 2021 5:10 am quote
great I hope everything works out.Keep us informed
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