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Ah, for the good old days. When the classic's dropped out, so did I. No entertainment with all the modern stuff.
Yeah, it's hard to balance to two. I'd love to relive a lot of things form 15-20 years ago but thats how it goes. When Mark, Matt, and I got together to rough plan 2018 in 2017 there was some frustration that the modern scooters were still leaving late and arriving at the hotel in time for brunch. Since the vintage rider count would likely continue to drop regardless of distance we had to explore new ways to make it more challenging for modern riders. Maybe that went a little too far for in 2018 with some road selections but I think mission accomplished overall.

The bonus points definitely added to the navigational challenge and I also think promoted 'competition' because the segments felt more bite size when you're chasing towards something in-reach vs 4 distance checkpoints over many miles.

The documentation requirements rubbed a few veterans of the event but these requirements were really no different than prior years - just enforced. Hopefully the iPhone/Android App for 2021 provides some relief.

Unfortunately the COVID detour around Canada rounded up the 2020/2021 miles to a solid 4500 but ~60 of the 160 riders are registered to ride scooters at or below 150cc. The majority of those are on the new Honda variants which should be interesting to see play out. Hopefully the event that follows this years revisits the 8 day short course format we had in 2012 and attractive to the vintage. I also miss them.
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No need for after market stuff. A fresh, stock Vespa will make it to the finish.

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More than 33% of the time?
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No need for after market stuff. A fresh, stock Vespa will make it to the finish.

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More than 33% of the time?
I believe all the stock (modern) Vespas made it to the finish in 2012 - one had to have the rear brake line replaced after an exhaust gasket blew, but the modified ones needed more TLC than that to get them over the line. Mark you, that was a much shorter route than this year.
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WLeuthold wrote:
No need for after market stuff. A fresh, stock Vespa will make it to the finish.

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More than 33% of the time?
For what it is worth, my drop out in 2014 was my fault for starting with an old, used variator in a stock Vespa that crossed 60,000 miles in Colorado during the run. Had I bothered to start with a new one, Rocket would have placed high.

The drop out in 2018 was for getting careless on a goat path in Nevada. The hospital visits and resulting drop out was for medical purposes. Vanessa would have happily made it to the finish.

In 2016, the stock Vanessa, with Malossi belt and oil filter, finished a respectable third.

The blame is on me, not those wonderful scooters.
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Ah, for the good old days. When the classic's dropped out, so did I. No entertainment with all the modern stuff.
Yeah, it's hard to balance to two.
Don't get me wrong, I love the fact that you guys have made it more challenging and love to watch. But, I have been there and done that and prefer to travel at a slower pace for long distances now.

2012 I refer to as Cannonball Lite.
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A curiosity of mine ... this Cannon ball ... is it reserved for Vespa scooters only?
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A curiosity of mine ... this Cannon ball ... is it reserved for Vespa scooters only?
No, Honda's and Yamaha's do quite well even old Honda's.
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A curiosity of mine ... this Cannon ball ... is it reserved for Vespa scooters only?
No, Honda's and Yamaha's do quite well even old Honda's.
Forgive me for saying this but the Vespa seems to me the least suitable for off-road routes or on rough terrain ...
For example, the old Gilera Runner 180/Phantom Malaguti 180 would be a marvel, or other scooters with the frame high above the ground.
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A curiosity of mine ... this Cannon ball ... is it reserved for Vespa scooters only?
No, Honda's and Yamaha's do quite well even old Honda's.
Forgive me for saying this but the Vespa seems to me the least suitable for off-road routes or on rough terrain ...
For example, the old Gilera Runner 180/Phantom Malaguti 180 would be a marvel, or other scooters with the frame high above the ground.
You are absolutely right.
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A curiosity of mine ... this Cannon ball ... is it reserved for Vespa scooters only?
Attila, If it wasn't given in an earlier post, here's some info on the 2021 Scooter Cannonball

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A curiosity of mine ... this Cannon ball ... is it reserved for Vespa scooters only?
Attila, If it wasn't given in an earlier post, here's some info on the 2021 Scooter Cannonball

Miguel
The regulation says: wheels no larger than 10 inches.
But the modern Vespa has 11 "and 12" and 13 "it seems to me ...
I could not participate, my little three wheeler has front wheels with a 14 "rim and a 13" rear rim.
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A curiosity of mine ... this Cannon ball ... is it reserved for Vespa scooters only?
Attila, If it wasn't given in an earlier post, here's some info on the 2021 Scooter Cannonball

Miguel
The regulation says: wheels no larger than 10 inches.
But the modern Vespa has 11 "and 12" and 13 "it seems to me ...
I could not participate, my little three wheeler has front wheels with a 14 "rim and a 13" rear rim.
As long as the engine is less than 280cc most "scooters" should satisfy the other four conditions.
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The regulation says: wheels no larger than 10 inches.
But the modern Vespa has 11 "and 12" and 13 "it seems to me ...
I could not participate, my little three wheeler has front wheels with a 14 "rim and a 13" rear rim.
The scooter model only has to satisfy some of the conditions to be considered a scooter. Small wheels are one of the hallmarks of a scooter, but there are exceptions.
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There is a sortable list of all the scooters currently registered at https://follow.scootercannonballrun.com/riders/scooters

When the event was announced there were a lot of inquires from the modern Cushman crowd so an "experimental" exception was granted but so far none have registered. A lot of Honda Cubs on the list!
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shocks before or after??
Since there seem to be a number of folks following this thread, I'm going to pick your brains again.

My 2012 scooter, with 20k miles, is always heavily laden just with carrying me. (I am a woman of a certain size as well as a certain age!) All shocks and what have you are stock, set to their highest setting, and original to the scoot. For the cannonball it would be extra heavily laden.

In light of all that, should I put on new shocks before the cannonball, or wait until after cannonball to replace them?

Currently there seems to be quite a lot of travel, though I don't actually bottom out that often.

Share your wisdom,

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Re: shocks before or after??
KimPossible wrote:
Since there seem to be a number of folks following this thread, I'm going to pick your brains again.

My 2012 scooter, with 20k miles, is always heavily laden just with carrying me. (I am a woman of a certain size as well as a certain age!) All shocks and what have you are stock, set to their highest setting, and original to the scoot. For the cannonball it would be extra heavily laden.

In light of all that, should I put on new shocks before the cannonball, or wait until after cannonball to replace them?

Currently there seems to be quite a lot of travel, though I don't actually bottom out that often.

Share your wisdom,

Kim
In the week before I was carrying Rocket to Tennessee to get on the trailer to Hyder, I noticed the rear shocks bottoming out on even the smallest of bumps. I could make it hit the bottom just by bouncing lightly on the seat.

So I quickly ordered Malossi shocks from Scooter Parts Co and had my friend Boris mount them the night before leaving.

During the run, I had support so no extra load, and ran them on the mid setting without issue.

The last two Cannonballs were run on Vanessa, a 2007 GT using the OEM shocks. On the softest setting. Never an issue with the suspension.

My advice is that if you aren't bottoming out now, I would stick with the stock shocks. Set the hardness to whatever makes you comfortable.

But because you are saying that they are getting close to bottoming out, it would be safer to replace them. I still have the Malossi shocks on Rocket and OEM on my other two. I can't feel any real difference, so OEM will be fine.

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I'm realllllly excited. Scooter emoticon Scooter emoticon Scooter emoticon
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Are you a woman? Sorry, I didn't know ... I don't wish I had said something unseemly.
No offense taken, so no worries! Yes, I am a female of the species. Not always but typically in the US, Kim is a name for women. I think elsewhere in the world it is as likely to be male.

Of course, on the Internet, no one knows if you are a dog.
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KimPossible's registration brings the total to 160 and really no idea how many will actually be in Bar Harbor this July.

This thread is awesome though.
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That is insanity, sir.
Come one, come all !!!!

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Don't get me wrong, I love the fact that you guys have made it more challenging and love to watch. But, I have been there and done that and prefer to travel at a slower pace for long distances now.

2012 I refer to as Cannonball Lite.
My own preferences follow yours Ken. I love to vicariously experience these riding feats but have little desire to take part myself. Actually no desire. Traveling at the slower pace has always been my preference. Two hours in the saddle is a long time and I'm ready to stop for a snack, a nap, or read a book alongside the road.

But I'm glad others undertake things like the Cannonball and share the experiences in words, pictures, and videos.
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ha, you just made my day. Most people say I'm like a cartoon, but I'll take super hero/villain-esque!
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For all the Cannonballers on this thread, please go here to claim your award: Have you completed a Scooter Cannonball? Get your award!
I'll hit you up in July after I get back from my 1st one.
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Please do. We'll be waiting for you.
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There is a sortable list of all the scooters currently registered at https://follow.scootercannonballrun.com/riders/scooters

When the event was announced there were a lot of inquires from the modern Cushman crowd so an "experimental" exception was granted but so far none have registered. A lot of Honda Cubs on the list!
Impressive amount of names on the list too!
That's more like lemmings migration, not a wee group run. ..
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With a 2012 scooter, I'm leaning towards carrying more spare parts than I would with a newer scooter. I've seen some recommendations to carry front and rear wheel bearings, and rear transmission seals. Each recommendation comes with a story of someone who was taken out of the Cannonball because of that part failure.

If I do that, am I overly paranoid?

Also, I need a volt ohm meter and there seem to be millions of them. Can anybody make a recommendation of one that is appropriate for scooter usage?

Thanks!
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Re: recommendations
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With a 2012 scooter, I'm leaning towards carrying more spare parts than I would with a newer scooter. I've seen some recommendations to carry front and rear wheel bearings, and rear transmission seals. Each recommendation comes with a story of someone who was taken out of the Cannonball because of that part failure.

If I do that, am I overly paranoid?

Also, I need a volt ohm meter and there seem to be millions of them. Can anybody make a recommendation of one that is appropriate for scooter usage?

Thanks!
I have a 2006 GTS250 with ~12k miles on it that I am running in the CB. I have not thought about wheel bearings or tran seals before so have to give it some thought.

I have several high end multimeters for work but I bought this meter from Harbor Freight to carry with me and I also use it when working on my scooters for troubleshooting. works fine for this application and do find myself grabbing it for checks on other things as it is small and light.
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Re: recommendations
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With a 2012 scooter, I'm leaning towards carrying more spare parts than I would with a newer scooter. I've seen some recommendations to carry front and rear wheel bearings, and rear transmission seals. Each recommendation comes with a story of someone who was taken out of the Cannonball because of that part failure.

If I do that, am I overly paranoid?

Also, I need a volt ohm meter and there seem to be millions of them. Can anybody make a recommendation of one that is appropriate for scooter usage?

Thanks!
Kim, I have 43K on my wheel bearings and transmission seals. I've ridden the GTS hard with a lot of gravel, dirt, and off road beatings. No issues. Yet.

It will probably explode when I get on it next for writing this.
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Another thing to think about for bearings and transmission seals...Would you really be able to replace these items in a hotel parking lot with normal tools, even if you possess above average mechanical skills or with help from someone who does?

I would categorize any of these to be a catastrophic equipment failure that would end a Cannonball effort.

Maintenance during Cannonball will be necessary, but there are limits. Oil/oil filter and belt/roller changes, tire and spark plug swaps, air filter servicing. I will also have my OEM Variator and Clutch to swap in if something goes terribly wrong.

I know there have been more intensive Cannonball parking lot repairs in previous events, but I would characterize those as extreme and unusual.

It's Cannonball, anything could happen! See you at the starting line!!!

WBVT - good callout regarding a multimeter! I hadn't considered bringing mine, but will now include for my support vehicle kit.
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Another thing to think about for bearings and transmission seals...Would you really be able to replace these items in a hotel parking lot with normal tools, even if you possess above average mechanical skills or with help from someone who does?
I've seen it done. On Cannonball. If memory serves, Feb31st himself had to replace the bearing in his swingarm support bracket, but I think that was because he assembled it incorrectly in the first place and it got fried after a day of riding.

That said, bearing failure isn't that common. It's possible, and if you wanted to be Uber-prepared, sure -- but you will then need some bridge pullers and forcing screws and whatnot to extract / install many of the bearings. I don't know that I would go to the trouble.
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I have several high end multimeters for work but I bought this meter from Harbor Freight to carry with me and I also use it when working on my scooters for troubleshooting. works fine for this application and do find myself grabbing it for checks on other things as it is small and light.
Agreed. A small, cheap multimeter is a must to have on the bike for Cannonball.

I carry this one in my on-bike tool kit. It's compact and cheap and effective.

https://smile.amazon.com/dp/B08HK295HK/?tag=modernvespa-forum-20&th=1
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Also, I need a volt ohm meter and there seem to be millions of them. Can anybody make a recommendation of one that is appropriate for scooter usage?
I've done a fair bit of electronics work over the years. Iv'e had a number of different meters. I really like this one from Home Depot. Features I really like about it...
- Hold: allows you to make a measurement and the measured value stays on the display even when the probes are pulled away. Sometimes, you have to look at your hands and where the probes are and you can't look at the display. The Hold button solves that

- Buzzer: It makes a buzzing sound when the resistance is zero. This is really handy when troubleshooting. It might be programmable for other functions (like 12 volts detected).

- Removable probe covers: Sometimes, you need a long probe, sometimes you don't want a long probe because you can short something out. The covers on these probes just pulls off.

Here's the Home Depot link: https://www.homedepot.com/p/Commercial-Electric-Manual-Ranging-Digital-Multi-Meter-MS8301A/206177756

$23. I've had it for about 4 or 5 years.

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Miguel, the red lead covers up the name! Crying or Very sad emoticon
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Miguel, the red lead covers up the name! Crying or Very sad emoticon
I'll updated my post. Thanks for catching that. Miguel
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I've got a slot on a truck to carry my mounted spares, but tools and parts will need to be on the scooter. But I really really want to finish. I think I'll get the parts and then see how much I can realistically carry with me.
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